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Muse — The 2nd Law: Isolated System
Album: The 2nd Law
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Released: 2012
Length: 4:43
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In an isolated system, entropy can only increase
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 zurcronium wrote:
Did Mike Oldfield produce this? And now a glockenspiel.
 
Does kinda sound like that, though any artists doing "electronica" probably has Mr. Oldfield as inspiration in their brains.  The wiki page for the album "The 2nd Law (as in 2nd law of thermodynamics) states: 

Mainly self-produced by the band, with the exception of the song "Follow Me" which was co-produced by English electronic music trio Nero, The 2nd Law features multiple styles of music and was influenced by acts such as Queen, David Bowie, and Skrillex.

I'm at an 8 on this Muse track.....and Long Live RP!!
Did Mike Oldfield produce this? And now a glockenspiel.
 Mugro wrote:
Sitting in my hooch tonight here in Kabul after a day of bombs going off in town. This song is freaking me out. Had to turn it off. :( 

 
I know the feeling. Stay safe over there!
  
Sitting in my hooch tonight here in Kabul after a day of bombs going off in town. This song is freaking me out. Had to turn it off. :( 
 Skydog wrote:
there's an idea
how 'bout  "Tubular Bells"?
 
BillG delivers.
Muse is cool...and today, BillG played these two together:
2:45 pmClaude Debussy
Jardins sous la pluie
Debussy: Piano Works (Pascal Rogé) (1903)7.9 



2:40 pmMuse
The 2nd Law: Isolated System
The 2nd Law (2012)7.3




And it was Fantastic!
I keep trying to play my own stuff...
 1wolfy wrote:
O M G  the Brexit !! one would think they were never capable of going it alone. It was not long ago that the UK 'stood out'
this song captures the panic the media is expressing 

 
Relax, the Queen will save you. lol 
Muse is hit or miss with me but thus is definitely a "hit".  It has a Pink Floyd vibe to it...
I was thinking Bill was going to do a chemistry set (of music) with the 2nd Law (thermodynamics) following Atomic Number, but these are the only two, alas.

You could do a chemical engineering set by adding "pressure drop". Just a thought.
Muse, Emancipator.  So similar.  So wonderful.  Lovely, lovely.
 1wolfy wrote:
O M G  the Brexit !! one would think they were never capable of going it alone. It was not long ago that the UK 'stood out'
this song captures the panic the media is expressing 

 
How long ago was that, and by what means?
The video for this number was also excellent. Beautiful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXPoJAyeF8k
O M G  the Brexit !! one would think they were never capable of going it alone. It was not long ago that the UK 'stood out'
this song captures the panic the media is expressing 
 Skydog wrote:

there's an idea
how 'bout  "Tubular Bells"? 

 
It's on the playlist but it has not been played in over a year.  If you PSD a torturously  long tune like "Thick As A Brick", you may get it.
Isolated System = Brexit last night
This is one of my all time favorite tracks.
 maboleth wrote:
When you hear Muse, you never know whom they ripped off this time.


Don't really care though. They made a great sound wherever they got the idea from.
 maboleth wrote:
When you hear Muse, you never know whom they ripped off this time.

 
When you are a fan you call it influenced by. When you do not like the music you call it ripping off.
 twoplain2sea wrote:
      In an isolated system, butterfly effect can only increase.
             Just ask her, we'll be creating baby universes

 
No its about entropy: "In an isolated system, entropy can only increase"


 eroz wrote:
The intro reminds me a bit of the theme to Exorcist.

 
there's an idea
how 'bout  "Tubular Bells"? 
      In an isolated system, butterfly effect can only increase.
             Just ask her, we'll be creating baby universes
 maboleth wrote:
When you hear Muse, you never know whom they ripped off this time.

 
Bach or Mozart! 
When you hear Muse, you never know whom they ripped off this time.
The intro reminds me a bit of the theme to Exorcist.
sorry, did I not mention how impressed we all are?

bozobit
(New Zealand)
Posted: May 21, 2013 - 21:53
 

 clwguy wrote:
just your opinion. doesn't exactly make it true.

bozobit wrote:

Well, here is a definition of the word.  

Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed

So,making make some sort of world-weary and I'm-smarter-than-you statement based on playing smart-sounding news clips over a dirge-mood-inducing soundtrack with replete with treacly violins is really pretty content-free when you think about it.  

The attempt to impress me with its profundity failed. Therefore, "Pretentious".   

  

  
Well ... of course!   I thought this was an opinion forum unless it somehow becomes a fact forum when you grace us with your views?   Please don't take this too seriously, mate.  As Mick Jagger said, "It's only rock and roll, but I like it."
 sirtezza wrote:
More inane MIDI ramblings, this time with pretentious classical overtones..... EXCELLENT!?!

 
Yes.
 PixelPushers wrote:

Yes, I was trying to place it. That's it...WWZ.

 
THANK YOU. That was driving me mad. I had 28 Days Later in my head, though that obviously predated this by some years.
ah, Muse !  {#Hearteyes}
 flahaye wrote:
BTW,

Is'nt that song from World War Z with Brad Pitt?

F

 
Yes, I was trying to place it. That's it...WWZ.
BTW,

Is'nt that song from World War Z with Brad Pitt?

F
The opening piano piece is not too different from Hans Zimmer latest score to Interstellar......quite evocative
I like the word Entropy. It makes information measurable for example. (Thank you Claude Shannon) Although this songs is more about entropy in thermodynamics. Or better: using entropy as a measure for our chaotic world.
it is interesting. i came to read some comments about this song and what people thought of it, and instead i see a whole page of back and forth insults and political discussion.

i suppose it's not that different from the political threads in the forum.




well, i'm not sure how i feel about this song. one day i like it, the next it's on my nerves. looks like it grates on some others, also.
Um, could I add something about the song?

I am not a fan of music with just some talking layered over it. Just my opinion.
So now you can go back to politics, OK? 
 fredriley wrote:

More flaming from our resident troll. A wee tip, O Barking One: it is possible to be both socialist, and anti-State and anti-authority. The same as it's possible, likely even, to be pro-capitalist and pro-State. Strange but true. I know this for an absolute rock-solid copper-bottomed fact.

The UK does have a constitutional monarchy, which is unelected and a stain on the nation, IMO. Why so many Brits revere those inbred descendants of German robber barons is beyond me. However, the monarchy has negligible political (though a fair whack of economic) power, and the government itself is elected by popular suffrage. I think you're under the impression that the UK is still back in the days of George II. Times have moved on a tad since those times. Do keep up.

 
More flaming from our resident hater political agitator troll...

You are nothing but a hate spewing loser....The socialist party gets .000001 percent of the votes in our elections.  Good bye loser.  
 rdo wrote:

I agree with you 100% that all government is wasteful and corrupt, though in the US it is smaller and better and more just than in the rest of the world.  And it is elected, unlike in the UK where there is a monarchy.  But tell me Old fartus maximus why oh why do you rant on and on for MORE government? You are a socialist ranter are you not?  So you want an unelected government running EVERYTHING???????????????????????????????
 
More flaming from our resident troll. A wee tip, O Barking One: it is possible to be both socialist, and anti-State and anti-authority. The same as it's possible, likely even, to be pro-capitalist and pro-State. Strange but true. I know this for an absolute rock-solid copper-bottomed fact.

The UK does have a constitutional monarchy, which is unelected and a stain on the nation, IMO. Why so many Brits revere those inbred descendants of German robber barons is beyond me. However, the monarchy has negligible political (though a fair whack of economic) power, and the government itself is elected by popular suffrage. I think you're under the impression that the UK is still back in the days of George II. Times have moved on a tad since those times. Do keep up.
 oldfart48 wrote:

I say the next time all the so called " congress " is in the session make it disappear......the planet would be much better off if DC and WALL ST. melted down. the gop and tea party hacks are trying to start another civil war, ok the French figured it out, we can also.

 
I agree with you 100% that all government is wasteful and corrupt, though in the US it is smaller and better and more just than in the rest of the world.  And it is elected, unlike in the UK where there is a monarchy.  But tell me Old fartus maximus why oh why do you rant on and on for MORE government? You are a socialist ranter are you not?  So you want an unelected government running EVERYTHING???????????????????????????????
 Lazarus wrote:

That piano part sounds like "Tubular Bells"— the theme song for The Exorcist...
 

 
Yep, that struck me as well. Quite restrained for Muse. The audio samples in the piece, which I've only heard properly now that I'm using 'phones, are intriguing. Perhaps the boys are trying to say that we're living in entropic times, with order trending to disorder, and society moving towards a 'heat death'? Or perhaps I'm reading too much into it, and should chill out and groove, and not think about the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.
Is this a tune for the future "Exorcist" re-make movie?
 rdo wrote:


LOL, I am not, you old fart, you.  I am not going anywhere.  {#Wave} {#Ass}

 

that's obvious, never been anywhere either.......
 DeemerDave wrote:


Apparently DC is a radio ghetto. I suggest you find a copy of The Resistance or Black Holes and Revelations. You might find a few songs you recognize but didn't know the band was Muse.

 
I say the next time all the so called " congress " is in the session make it disappear......the planet would be much better off if DC and WALL ST. melted down. the gop and tea party hacks are trying to start another civil war, ok the French figured it out, we can also.
 ziggytrix wrote:
I would say in this instance its meant to create that dissonance.  Not all music is meant tickle the ear like a feather.
Well said. I suppose the highest compliment that can be given a producer is the odd listener's comment of some element sounding wrong or mistaken. In that moment (even though it is not praise) all of the editing, decisions, research, argument, nuance, instinct and technology that goes into the finished recording disappears into suspension of disbelief for that listener. It becomes a whole event, a slice of life that they have experienced. From Ray LaMontagne's percussive breathing to John McCrea's late-note-verging-on-syncopation, little that survives to recording is done without craft or art employed.
 kcar wrote:

Have you abandoned those habits of picking pointless fights with people and lecturing others on their posts? Show your fellow RPers a leedle more love, rdo. 

  
It is becoming ever more clear to me why you like to pick these little fights with me, kcar. You hate discussion unless it's a professor lecturing to students. 
 rdo wrote:


LOL, I am not, you old fart, you.  I am not going anywhere.  {#Wave} {#Ass}

 
Have you abandoned those habits of picking pointless fights with people and lecturing others on their posts? Show your fellow RPers a leedle more love, rdo. 
Enough with the thermodynamics already.  My entropy increases greatly every time I hear this repetitive, loopy thing.
I like the way the more lyrical folk speak of entropy, and it's various twists; like China Woman and Bruce Cockburn.
 oldfart48 wrote:


rdo is a hater,  {#Stop} nothing Bill or Rebecca play makes it happy unless their are no musicans involved. ignore it maby it will go away....

 

LOL, I am not, you old fart, you.  I am not going anywhere.  {#Wave} {#Ass}
 Rotterdam wrote:
Don't know why, but I hate most songs with talking in them. It distracts me from the music and I don't like the effect.

 
I would say in this instance its meant to create that dissonance.  Not all music is meant tickle the ear like a feather.
I saw them live earlier in the year (my third time)... powerful and amazing. Maybe the best touring act around these days.
Wow, this really reminds me of Shearwater.
 Rotterdam wrote:
Don't know why, but I hate most songs with talking in them. It distracts me from the music and I don't like the effect.

 
Ditto. It spoiled an otherwise good song for me.
I like them....{#Dance}
Just realized that this is the music playing behind the credits at the end of WWZ.

That piano part sounds like "Tubular Bells"— the theme song for The Exorcist...
 
 rdo wrote:
I don't get this band.  They are uber-popular.  I hear them everywhere I go.  They had one halfway decent song (Madness) that has been played to death on the radio, but it's not played here.  Why do we need to hear them here?  By the way, this past year has been the coldest I can remember...just sayin'.   The number of hurricanes over the past 7 years is at an all time low.

 

Apparently DC is a radio ghetto. I suggest you find a copy of The Resistance or Black Holes and Revelations. You might find a few songs you recognize but didn't know the band was Muse.
Oldfield in a new coat.

Miss the  "Grand piano; reed and pipe organ; glockenspiel; bass guitar; double speed guitar; two slightly distorted guitars; mandolin! Spanish guitar, and introducing acoustic guitar, plus... tubular bells."
Don't know why, but I hate most songs with talking in them. It distracts me from the music and I don't like the effect.
{#Headache}
I don't get this band.  They are uber-popular.  I hear them everywhere I go.  They had one halfway decent song (Madness) that has been played to death on the radio, but it's not played here.  Why do we need to hear them here?  By the way, this past year has been the coldest I can remember...just sayin'.   The number of hurricanes over the past 7 years is at an all time low.
This song brings me inspiration and motivation. Great tune!
 grant wrote:
I was not that big of a Muse fan until I saw them live . . . 

They ROCKED.  The reminded me a lot of Rush.   Very powerful and proficient musicians.

 
I agree about Muse being a great live band, though in the very early days back in the late 90s when they were promoting their first album I thought they sounded more like Radiohead
 ch83575 wrote:
Almost every day, when I get in my car to go home from work the same song is on the radio as when I arrived in the morning, because they only play about 4 different songs in any given period.  This is the very first time I have had this happen on RP.  When I took my earbuds out yesterday afternoon, this song was on.  When I put them back in this morning, what do I hear?

 

Hm, ever thought about changing the station?
Or did they sell you a single-station-receiver?  {#Lol}
 clwguy wrote:
just your opinion. doesn't exactly make it true.

bozobit wrote:

Well, here is a definition of the word.  

Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed

So,making make some sort of world-weary and I'm-smarter-than-you statement based on playing smart-sounding news clips over a dirge-mood-inducing soundtrack with replete with treacly violins is really pretty content-free when you think about it.  

The attempt to impress me with its profundity failed. Therefore, "Pretentious".   

 



 
Well ... of course!   I thought this was an opinion forum unless it somehow becomes a fact forum when you grace us with your views?   Please don't take this too seriously, mate.  As Mick Jagger said, "It's only rock and roll, but I like it."
just your opinion. doesn't exactly make it true.

bozobit wrote:

Well, here is a definition of the word.  

Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed

So,making make some sort of world-weary and I'm-smarter-than-you statement based on playing smart-sounding news clips over a dirge-mood-inducing soundtrack with replete with treacly violins is really pretty content-free when you think about it.  

The attempt to impress me with its profundity failed. Therefore, "Pretentious".   

 


Almost every day, when I get in my car to go home from work the same song is on the radio as when I arrived in the morning, because they only play about 4 different songs in any given period.  This is the very first time I have had this happen on RP.  When I took my earbuds out yesterday afternoon, this song was on.  When I put them back in this morning, what do I hear?
 bozobit wrote:

Well, here is a definition of the word.  

Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed

So,making make some sort of world-weary and I'm-smarter-than-you statement based on playing smart-sounding news clips over a dirge-mood-inducing soundtrack with replete with treacly violins is really pretty content-free when you think about it.  

The attempt to impress me with its profundity failed. Therefore, "Pretentious".   

 

I'll buy that.{#Cheers}
{#Biggrin}


Rachoh wrote:
I loved this -- and then learned it was Muse -- and then somehow feel like it's empty of meaning. 

But man, do they know how to make a good track to keep you going.  

 


Hypnotic.  Spoken word pieces put to good use.
It's great to find another MUSE fan in here :) 
Can't wait to see them front and center Sept 19 in Salt Lake City!!
tix at smithstix.com

 
grant wrote:
I was not that big of a Muse fan until I saw them live . . . 

They ROCKED.  The reminded me a lot of Rush.   Very powerful and proficient musicians.

 


 KJP wrote:

That's the exact set that just played!

 

Good set, worthy of a repeat.
 sajitjacob wrote:
I just had a really crappy drive into work. Roads are still wrecked from the earthquake (from 2 damn years ago!!)
I wrap my headphones securely around my ears and I hear.
 
Israel Kamakawiwo'ole — Somewhere/Wonderful
John Lennon — Imagine
Oasis — Who Feels Love 

Then this.

Ahhhhh.



 
That's the exact set that just played!
I was not that big of a Muse fan until I saw them live . . . 

They ROCKED.  The reminded me a lot of Rush.   Very powerful and proficient musicians.
 scott_bruce wrote:

Mr. Bozo - perhaps you could enlighten us on exactly HOW this music is "Pretentious'...

 
Well, here is a definition of the word.  

Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed

So,making make some sort of world-weary and I'm-smarter-than-you statement based on playing smart-sounding news clips over a dirge-mood-inducing soundtrack with replete with treacly violins is really pretty content-free when you think about it.  

The attempt to impress me with its profundity failed. Therefore, "Pretentious".   
 bozobit wrote:
Pretentious.{#Snooty}

 
Mr. Bozo - perhaps you could enlighten us on exactly HOW this music is "Pretentious'...
I loved this -- and then learned it was Muse -- and then somehow feel like it's empty of meaning. 

But man, do they know how to make a good track to keep you going.  
Tubular Bells tune?
made me come in from outside—yes please more of this sort of thing—-especially painful that this poppy silversun followed....ouch!
Pretentious.{#Snooty}
oasis, then this not good for me—-not my kind of stuff——s'okay—-just hoping it gets better...
Doomsday clock is ticking on this track
The more I listen to this album the more I like it. A nice comeback after a few weaker albums.
that's on the new album.

somehow I missed it. 
 DrLex wrote:
So now we have Muse playing techno music and writing songs about thermodynamics, with the apparent intent of bringing an important message to the world. Did I fall in a wormhole to an alternate universe somewhere?

I like it by the way.
 
Bill quoted you on the air!  Great post  :)

And my daughter says Bill actually had some inflection in his voice that time....haha.
Muse lyrics not withstanding, life on Earth does not violate the 2nd Law.  In a closed system the total entropy (usually) increases with time.  There is nothing in the 2nd Law that precludes some parts of a system from having their entropy decreased.  We do it every second of our lives.  But, loosely speaking, the process of reducing the entropy in one thing (say by metabolism) will necessarily increase the entropy of something else (waste body heat).

RobN wrote:
I'm always puzzled by the fact that life on Earth seems to have defied the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics (so far).
I was hoping that a pop/rock song with news sound bites on this subject could provided some enlightenment.
After all some pop/rock makes me feel I can get to grips with concepts like love/hate/war/religion etc.
Sadly not in this case.
Maybe they should have started with something simpler - Newton's 2nd Law of Motion?
 

Liking Muse more and more, but this starts out with recycling Tubular Bells by Mike Oldfield back in 1973.
I just had a really crappy drive into work. Roads are still wrecked from the earthquake (from 2 damn years ago!!)
I wrap my headphones securely around my ears and I hear.
 
Israel Kamakawiwo'ole — Somewhere/Wonderful
John Lennon — Imagine
Oasis — Who Feels Love 

Then this.

Ahhhhh.


The music is nice, but the preachy pseudo-science and sound bites are just irritating. Bring up problems sure, and I agree the human race has issues... But this just feels so hokey, and detracts from the music itself.

Thank's to you, I discover another beautiful music !
Thank you
Love from France 
www.facebook.com/rignaccafe     


I'm always puzzled by the fact that life on Earth seems to have defied the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics (so far).
I was hoping that a pop/rock song with news sound bites on this subject could provided some enlightenment.
After all some pop/rock makes me feel I can get to grips with concepts like love/hate/war/religion etc.
Sadly not in this case.
Maybe they should have started with something simpler - Newton's 2nd Law of Motion?
 burdell wrote:
Nice for them to get sciency and all, but their conclusions are horribly wrong. I figure we got another billion years of growth before the entropy problem is going to catch up to us.

But if it makes them fell better and get more girls, then hey, write what you like ... 
 
I went to the Muse concert in Vancouver recently and to be quite honest, I am not sure what all the fuss is about this group. The set list/pacing was disappointing as the quieter songs sucked the energy out of the crowd. The concert lacked flow (not enough up tempo songs IMO). The stage and lighting was decent. Short concert as well 1-1/2 hours start to finsh. Thankfully the tickets were free.  
In Europe and America there's a growing feeling of hysteria.   I like it by the way.
Nice for them to get sciency and all, but their conclusions are horribly wrong. I figure we got another billion years of growth before the entropy problem is going to catch up to us.

But if it makes them fell better and get more girls, then hey, write what you like ... 
So now we have Muse playing techno music and writing songs about thermodynamics, with the apparent intent of bringing an important message to the world. Did I fall in a wormhole to an alternate universe somewhere?

I like it by the way.
I don't like to like Muse, some friends here listen to them way too much, but this...took me by surprise and I surrender. I love it, every bit of it. Intriguing, isn't it?
 yuel wrote:
a very untypical muse piece imo.
 



I agree. Not to say I'm not enjoying it. Looking forward to seeing them live in May.
The rp ipad app is awesome...sounds better...psd works better...slideshow rules...nice job bec and bill!!!!!!!
{#Bananapiano}  How is it there's a musical breakdown right at the very exact moment where I'm thinking "this tune is actually quite nice, but it's almost annoying"?  That's some resonance!

Hopefully it stands up to replay. 
Good stuff!
Matthew still seems keen on the piano direction.
..like me some Muse & give credit to them for aiming at a concept album in the 21stC morass of single downloads, but i'm not finding this new disc (what i've heard) all that engaging..mebbe it'll grow in me..
 rcurrier wrote:
Someone's been listening to their Mike Oldfield albums.
 
Ha! Had the same 'gee, sounds like Mike' thought.
...trés cool!..
I love this song, but I feel like it's a rather random pick from the album. Also, this song is like a second part to "The 2nd Law: Unsustainable," so it's ideal to play the parts together. I see that the first one is uploaded; I think it will be weird to hear that one alone.
a very untypical muse piece imo.
Someone's been listening to their Mike Oldfield albums.