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Doves — The Greatest Denier
Album: Kingdom Of Rust
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Released: 2009
Length: 3:53
Plays (last 30 days): 1
The English skyline
Falls down to the future
No one noticed
In this Empire

Cause I'm the greatest denier
And I will cut you if you look

The English bloodline
Clashes in the sun
No one noticed
We are coming down

Well I'm the greatest denier
But I can cut you with a look

Clashes in the sun
Don't speak of it

I'm the greatest denier
I was the greatest denier
And I can cut you with a look

Clashing in the sun
Start a revolution

Couldn't sleep since then
Wake you up when we're done
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 Jelani wrote:
This guys voice always sounds like he's in agony.
Annoying. 
 
you are
If you ever want to ruin a song, read the comments.
 Highlowsel wrote:
 
Not to wax political on this forum but ah contraire....this song has high relevance to discerning Americans.  Our POTUS is our greatest denier.  He lives in a fantasy world where he is the greatest there has ever been.  For all that he is a reflection of us, although I'd like to hope it's a minority view. 

In any case Kings die, and new Kings ascend the throne.  History is replete with examples.  In our case we're handing those new Kings in waiting the opportunity on a golden, T embossed, plate.  The American Empire is being led by fools, and everyone is standing around letting them assassinate our national character with nary so much as a "Halt there!"  If we fall we get what we deserve.

So it goes.  And sorry for the political aside.  Overall a nice tune 

Highlow
American Net'Zen

 
This pretty much also describes the previous president.  Fake Roman columns and all.
 
Good song, though.
wow, great) 
 Stephen_Phillips wrote:

Nothing!  He was just being funny and taking the other meaning of the word denier. It could be a filament but in this case it is the other meaning - someone who denies something. The song laments the fall of the British Empire and the fact that our Kingdom is now a pile of rust and we are no longer what we once were. Some British people like to pretend that we are still a force to be reckoned with - the rest of us know the sad truth.  This does not have immediate relevance to those of you who live in the USA - but imagine a future where China and India whose populations total about 2 billion start to become dominant and their global influence starts to relegate the USA to a former superpower. Far fetched - maybe not...

  
Not to wax political on this forum but ah contraire....this song has high relevance to discerning Americans.  Our POTUS is our greatest denier.  He lives in a fantasy world where he is the greatest there has ever been.  For all that he is a reflection of us, although I'd like to hope it's a minority view. 

In any case Kings die, and new Kings ascend the throne.  History is replete with examples.  In our case we're handing those new Kings in waiting the opportunity on a golden, T embossed, plate.  The American Empire is being led by fools, and everyone is standing around letting them assassinate our national character with nary so much as a "Halt there!"  If we fall we get what we deserve.

So it goes.  And sorry for the political aside.  Overall a nice tune 

Highlow
American Net'Zen


 TerryS wrote:
Linear mass density of fibers has what to do with this?

 
Nothing!  He was just being funny and taking the other meaning of the word denier. It could be a filament but in this case it is the other meaning - someone who denies something. The song laments the fall of the British Empire and the fact that our Kingdom is now a pile of rust and we are no longer what we once were. Some British people like to pretend that we are still a force to be reckoned with - the rest of us know the sad truth.  This does not have immediate relevance to those of you who live in the USA - but imagine a future where China and India whose populations total about 2 billion start to become dominant and their global influence starts to relegate the USA to a former superpower. Far fetched - maybe not...
Yeah, well, all the talk about what Doves sounds like aside. This particular song REALLY sounds like something from Amplifier {#Cheesygrin}
 bam23 wrote:
Mourning doves? That's where the link to the alleged website brought me. Don't get me wrong; I really appreciate the bird species, but the mourning dove is not the same species as the British band, nor is this the only species of dove. 

 
Fixed now. Thanks for pointing that out.
Linear mass density of fibers has what to do with this?
Mourning doves? That's where the link to the alleged website brought me. Don't get me wrong; I really appreciate the bird species, but the mourning dove is not the same species as the British band, nor is this the only species of dove. 
 gillespp wrote:
Why didn't I figure out until a couple of months ago that this whole album is REALLY DAMN GOOD?

 
All of their records are. Too bad they've been on hiatus for a while. Great band.
 TerryS wrote:
A single strand of silk filament, unwound from a cocoon, is 1 denier. .

 
Lol. Nice. Much like my neighbour's cat, I've had my fill of Doves, but at least I can still enjoy the comments!
Why didn't I figure out until a couple of months ago that this whole album is REALLY DAMN GOOD?
Good basic rock tune, nice hook.
i think, there-fore i think
A single strand of silk filament, unwound from a cocoon, is 1 denier. .
Great Song!
 boober wrote:

I bet you are a hoot to party with!

 
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
And the tap drips
Drip drip drip...
 idiot_wind wrote:
I guess I don't it. 
All I hear is weak vocals, weak guitar playing, weak drumming, boring lyrics....no hooks...following the same ole "thud and drone" formuia started back in the early 1990s and has led rock music to become way too predictable and "mono-sounding". 

But I guess that's why rap and country music are the two most popular music genres with people under 30 and why the most popualr rock acts are bands with average age of 60.
Rock music RIP!        
 
I bet you are a hoot to party with!
I guess I don't it. 


All I hear is weak vocals, weak guitar playing, weak drumming, boring lyrics....no hooks...following the same ole "thud and drone" formuia started back in the early 1990s and has led rock music to become way too predictable and "mono-sounding". 

But I guess that's why rap and country music are the two most popular music genres with people under 30 and why the most popualr rock acts are bands with average age of 60.


Rock music RIP!        
Great band!
Love this!!!!
This song seem to get better and better the more I listen....
 Proclivities wrote:

{#Yes}  "It Takes A Worried Man" to remember that alter-ego of Akron's finest.
 

Worried indeed;Akron's finest are The Black Keys.
I think St. Peter would have to go down as the greatest denier.
 Uh-huh.{#Dancingbanana_2}
 bam23 wrote:
In contrast to many of the commenters here, this band reminds me of no one else. However, never having heard of the band or any of their music except here, I think they have a sound all their own and some really interesting compositions. As has been noted elsewhere in these comments, Doves are a really worthy group that deserves much more exposure than is the case.
 
Very well said. I listened to this album in my car this morning. 
My favorite "new" band. Thanks RP. 
 max_p wrote:
Anyone recall "Dove - The Band of Love"?

It was a Character band of DEVO 
 
{#Yes}  "It Takes A Worried Man" to remember that alter-ego of Akron's finest.
YES!
Love it! {#Bananajam}
 coding_to_music wrote:

Wikipedia sez Hiatus, no breakup...
 
Glad to hear that - I love this band!
 
 hippiechick wrote:
Every one of their albums is great. So sorry they broke up.
 
Wikipedia sez Hiatus, no breakup...
Anyone recall "Dove - The Band of Love"?

It was a Character band of DEVO 
Every one of their albums is great. So sorry they broke up.
 Krispian wrote:
Solid gold
 
An RP classic! Cool
 Byronape wrote:
What is he denying?  
 
Exactly!  Not enough RP in the diet, I bet Laughing
What is he denying?  
Solid gold
HHHmmmmnnn...

I may have to look into this one.
This guys voice always sounds like he's in agony.
Annoying. 
Crank it up
In contrast to many of the commenters here, this band reminds me of no one else. However, never having heard of the band or any of their music except here, I think they have a sound all their own and some really interesting compositions. As has been noted elsewhere in these comments, Doves are a really worthy group that deserves much more exposure than is the case.
Sounds to me like a more palatable 'Smashing Pumpkins'. Wait...did I just say that? Ahhh....
 Sasha2001 wrote:
L-L-L-Love this band!
 
and their DVD is very entertaining (although the cryptic magic decoder ring UI needs help).
One of the greatest things to come out of 2009. I don't really like their previous stuff, but this record is just awesome, entirely, from beginning to end. How come I don't hear it anywhere else? Thanks RP for playing it for me! :)
 grungepuppy wrote:

Yeah, unfortunately I did too. I can't get into either band.

 
dont't give up - keep tryin' to learn how to play!

 westslope wrote:

I felt a similarity with Elbow just now.

 


 
Yeah, unfortunately I did too. I can't get into either band.

L-L-L-Love this band!
Hello - what do we have here!  Very nice indeed.
Nice!
 BowTieDad wrote:
another great song from a great album!
 
Indeed, it's my favorite release from last year. Not a bad song on it.

Doves - The Greatest Denier
Chicago - I'm A Man
The Be Good Tanyas - The Coo Coo Bird
Phish - Birds of a Feather

{#Hearteyes}
worth checking out
We need more of this on RP
another great song from a great album!

I felt a similarity with Elbow just now.

 


This song is a much better Coldplay song than Coldplay could ever write.
gets better with each listen... 8 -> 9
Gets better each time I hear it, 8->9.
"Denier?" Looked like this song was about nylon stockings.
Clever band, you can't pigeon hole them, ....journeymen (there you go)
reminds me of Ravel's Bolero
 rdo wrote:
This band reminds me a lot of Toto.
 
Reminds me more of Tears for Fears... Especially the voice in this song.

 iscoot4peace wrote:
Yeah...they are small and furry, love Dorothy to pieces, and are scared to death with the idea of flying monkeys! 
 
I am still recovering from the childhood trauma induced by those creepy flying monkeys!  ; )
(btw, Doves = Toto? I'm just not getting that vibe.)

 rdo wrote:
This band reminds me a lot of Toto.
 
Yeah...they are small and furry, love Dorothy to pieces, and are scared to death with the idea of flying monkeys! 
rdo wrote:
This band reminds me a lot of Toto.

Dorothy's dog?!

Man, this reminds me a ton of Catherine Wheel, which is a good thing.
This band reminds me a lot of Toto.
 paulpaar wrote:
I'm a writer and educator and libn. No thx.
 
Libyan?

 

Funny, the friend who initially turned me on to the Doves (prior to discovering Radio Paradise if I recall), first turned me onto ColdPlay.  Both sounded good on mist-shrouded early mornings in the Fraser Canyon.

Something about the Doves though.  For some strange reason, they remind me of the Strawbs.


Coldplay could only dream of ever being this good.
This song is sooooooo good for the ears.....{#Smile}
{#Mrgreen}
This will be at 10 until I find some reason for it not to be.
It can't be denied that this is a good song!
 Jamunca wrote:

Damn, what a nice little playlist going here.

The Pretenders > Creedence > The Cult > Stereophonics > Filter > Interpol > Doves


 
no doubt!!
Sounds like nighttime RP and I dig it

 paulpaar wrote:
I'm a writer and educator and libn. No thx.
 
libn?
librarian?
libertarian?

good song, good album I think


Damn, what a nice little playlist going here.

The Pretenders > Creedence > The Cult > Stereophonics > Filter > Interpol > Doves


care for truth?

 
paulpaar wrote:
don't get it. Do not care for negativity.
 


I'm a writer and educator and libn. No thx.
don't get it. Do not care for negativity.
 derekd wrote:
Damn, this group grows on me every time I hear them.
 
Same..

 derekd wrote:
Damn, this group grows on me every time I hear them.
 
I think there's a cream you can get for that. HA!  The fun never stops at RP. Seriously this is an excellent CD.

Damn, this group grows on me every time I hear them.
Sorry to sound old fashioned, but the production on this album is so fantastic, there is no way a compressed format can give back all the intensity.  A true work of love and one of the recent records that deserve full home system CD listening.  But that's only advice, that you (we) enjoy it is the main thing, right?
 keller1 wrote:
Very occasionally it's worth buying the whole CD.  This is one of those occasions.

Solid from beginning to end.
 


 KevinM wrote:
I really don't understand this Coldplay comparison. Doves were around before Coldplay so maybe it should be the other way around:

Coldplay are Doves wannabe's
 
i don't know who came first but i'm with you... i don't think they sound alike at all.
Funny enough, on this particular song he sounds more like Tears for Fears than Coldplay. Either way, all of the comparisons are exceptional company to be in.

I understand.  Coldplay has a significantly higher profile, recognition factor.

Never bought a Coldplay CD, but I bought this Doves CD.

 

P.S.  This song keeps getting better after multiple listens.




I really don't understand this Coldplay comparison. Doves were around before Coldplay so maybe it should be the other way around:

Coldplay are Doves wannabe's
 keller1 wrote:
Very occasionally it's worth buying the whole CD.  This is one of those occasions.

Solid from beginning to end.
 

Agreed.

A buddy forwarded me some airmile points he couldn't use now that he is living and working in the Land of the Strong and Free, and I downloaded the entire CD.  Solid.

Perhaps the Dove's most unlike Coldplay effort to date.  And, hey, I like Coldplay.


wrangler wrote:

coldplay with guitars.

yes please.

 wrangler wrote:

coldplay with guitars.  no thanks.


 

{#Clap}  I think you hit the nail right on the head.
Doves fan or not, one excellent effort!

coldplay with guitars.  no thanks.


Very occasionally it's worth buying the whole CD.  This is one of those occasions.

Solid from beginning to end.
...outstanding...
 annersjen wrote:
To Doves fans: How's the new album as a whole? What I've heard sounds tantalizing.
 
It's the best of 2009 (so far) and probably their best ever

To Doves fans: How's the new album as a whole? What I've heard sounds tantalizing.
I am totally digging Doves' catalog...thank you RP {#Clap}
Love the music, not so keen on the vocals however.

Still - 7 -.
 sutcliff wrote:
This a very good album.
 

Everything I've heard off of it on RP has been fantastic.
I first heard kingdom of rust and loved it now this.  Could be that this is an album i need.
This a very good album.
New Doves!