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Doves — The Outsiders
Album: Kingdom Of Rust
Avg rating:
6.6

Your rating:
Total ratings: 256









Released: 2009
Length: 3:22
Plays (last 30 days): 0
Johnny be lost
Johnny be calm
Walk away
Don't jump the gun

Cutting the cost
Thinking it through
Look in your own way
Making your own rules

Don't believe
What they say
Johnny be cool, yeah
Johnny be calm

Just the two of us
Makin' fools of us
Just the two of us
Wanna feel again
Kickin' our heels again
Just the two of us

Nothing to lose
So nothing gets lost
Measure the truth
Then measure the cost

So much choice
In trust on
In the universe
Just the two of us
Just the two of us
Just the two of us
Making fools of us
Making fools of us
Wanna feel again
Kickin' our heels again
The two of us
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Playing loud, sound seem rather distorted
Not a fan.
It started out interestingly enough — sort of Tangerine Dream-ish ... then turned into overly-distorted, relentlessly driving gratingness.
I can only give it a 3.
 coding_to_music wrote:
Not their best

 
Loud
In the right mood is excellent
Doves is the band that taught me to always bring earplugs to concerts - you can get damaged listening to excessively loud music... 
 bam23 wrote:
I like the driving pulsing sound of many Doves pieces. Maybe not the finest music on the planet, but at times they seem to really be operating at a high level. Even when I can't figure out the lyrics (or have no interest in doing so), the music is compelling. Maybe that's as complicated as it needs to be?
 
That's a good point compelling may be all that matters - aesthetics shouldn't be complicated.  Besides, who wants to only listen to "the finest music on the planet"(whatever that is)?
Simply the best.
Really, sometimes I don't get how a band can be this brilliant, and with such consistency. Everything they do is perfect.

Doves, Doves, DOVES! 
I like the driving pulsing sound of many Doves pieces. Maybe not the finest music on the planet, but at times they seem to really be operating at a high level. Even when I can't figure out the lyrics (or have no interest in doing so), the music is compelling. Maybe that's as complicated as it needs to be?
Not their best
Pretty smokin'. Too short on that closing guitar drive, though. Crank it!
 Droidac wrote:

Dude, do you ever say anything positive?
 
Not fair. Defend the song but there's no reason to attack each other.
It's become too common to take this approach

"I don't like it."
"Then you're an idiot." 

Let's talk about the music instead of turning it personal.
 
 AdyMiles wrote:

please explain. it sounds like a load of overdubbed noise to me
 
It's like someone took Sonic Youth thru a slight pop filter and sprinkled a little Manchester vocal on top.  What's to explain?

Great band
AdyMiles wrote:

please explain. it sounds like a load of overdubbed noise to me



vit clears head. Thanks. I needed that.

And only a smidge over 200 rated 4 or less...


 
AdyMiles wrote:

9 - Conjure One - Extraordinary Ways
9 - David Lindley and Wally Ingram - Pay Bo Diddley
9 - John Lennon - Imagine
9 - Fleetwood Mac - Tusk
9 - R.E.M. - Losing My Religion (live acoustic)
9 - David Bowie - Space Oddity
9 - Blur - Song 2
9 - R.E.M. - It's The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)
8 - Amy Winehouse - Back To Black
8 - Grant Lee Buffalo - Fuzzy
8 - Sinéad O'Connor - Downpressor Man
8 - The Police - Wrapped Around Your Finger
8 - The Smiths - How Soon Is Now
8 - Seal - Crazy
8 - Eva Cassidy - Ain't No Sunshine
8 - The Beatles - Come Together
8 - Peter Gabriel - Don't Give Up
8 - They Might Be Giants - Why Does The Sun Shine? (The Sun Is A Mass Of Incandescent Gas)
8 - John Lennon - (Just Like) Starting Over
8 - Nick Lowe - Breaking Glass
8 - Porcupine Tree - Cloud Zero
8 - The Beatles - Taxman
8 - Goldfrapp - Cologne Cerrone Houdini
8 - Neko Case - Buckets of Rain
8 - Cat Stevens - Bitterblue
8 - David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust (live)
8 - The Dandy Warhols - Love Song
8 - Air - La Femme D'Argent
8 - Talking Heads - Once In A Lifetime
8 - David Bowie - Starman
7 - Elvis Costello - Watching The Detectives
7 - Ray LaMontagne - Henry Nearly Killed Me (It's a shame)
7 - Sun Kil Moon - Glenn Tipton
7 - R.E.M. - Until The Day Is Done
7 - Snow Patrol - The Golden Floor
7 - Dire Straits - You And Your Friend
7 - Leo Kottke - World Turning
7 - Happy Mondays - Step On
7 - Neko Case - Middle Cyclone
7 - Peter Gabriel - Solsbury Hill
7 - The Beatles - Doctor Robert
7 - Johnny Cash - I'm Leaving Now
7 - Mike Oldfield - a) Secrets b) Far Above The Clouds
7 - Kasabian - Ovary Stripe
7 - Aimee Mann - The Scientist (Live)
7 - Kate Bush - And So Is Love
7 - Bob Marley - No Woman, No Cry
7 - Stephen Marley - You're Gonna Leave
7 - David Bowie - The Man Who Sold The World
7 - Radiohead - Subterranean Homesick Alien
7 - Blondie - One Way or Another
7 - Violent Femmes - Crazy
7 - Beck - Everybody's Got To Learn Sometime
7 - Tasmin Archer - Sleeping Satellite
7 - Oasis - Falling Down
7 - Chroma Key - Colorblind
7 - Counting Crows - Anna Begins
7 - Dire Straits - Single Handed Sailor
7 - The Clash - The Magnificent Seven
7 - Dusted - Always Remember to Respect and Honour Your Mother
7 - Blur - Out Of Time
7 - High Violets - Wheel
7 - Peter Gabriel - Growing Up
7 - Nitin Sawhney - Mausam
7 - Peter Gabriel - In Your Eyes (live in Athens 1988)
7 - Steppenwolf - Magic Carpet Ride
7 - The Clash - The Guns of Brixton
7 - Paolo Nutini - Candy

 


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AdyMiles wrote:

9 - Conjure One - Extraordinary Ways
9 - David Lindley and Wally Ingram - Pay Bo Diddley
9 - John Lennon - Imagine
9 - Fleetwood Mac - Tusk
9 - R.E.M. - Losing My Religion (live acoustic)
9 - David Bowie - Space Oddity
9 - Blur - Song 2
9 - R.E.M. - It's The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)
8 - Amy Winehouse - Back To Black
8 - Grant Lee Buffalo - Fuzzy
8 - Sinéad O'Connor - Downpressor Man
8 - The Police - Wrapped Around Your Finger
8 - The Smiths - How Soon Is Now
8 - Seal - Crazy
8 - Eva Cassidy - Ain't No Sunshine
8 - The Beatles - Come Together
8 - Peter Gabriel - Don't Give Up
8 - They Might Be Giants - Why Does The Sun Shine? (The Sun Is A Mass Of Incandescent Gas)
8 - John Lennon - (Just Like) Starting Over
8 - Nick Lowe - Breaking Glass
8 - Porcupine Tree - Cloud Zero
8 - The Beatles - Taxman
8 - Goldfrapp - Cologne Cerrone Houdini
8 - Neko Case - Buckets of Rain
8 - Cat Stevens - Bitterblue
8 - David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust (live)
8 - The Dandy Warhols - Love Song
8 - Air - La Femme D'Argent
8 - Talking Heads - Once In A Lifetime
8 - David Bowie - Starman
7 - Elvis Costello - Watching The Detectives
7 - Ray LaMontagne - Henry Nearly Killed Me (It's a shame)
7 - Sun Kil Moon - Glenn Tipton
7 - R.E.M. - Until The Day Is Done
7 - Snow Patrol - The Golden Floor
7 - Dire Straits - You And Your Friend
7 - Leo Kottke - World Turning
7 - Happy Mondays - Step On
7 - Neko Case - Middle Cyclone
7 - Peter Gabriel - Solsbury Hill
7 - The Beatles - Doctor Robert
7 - Johnny Cash - I'm Leaving Now
7 - Mike Oldfield - a) Secrets b) Far Above The Clouds
7 - Kasabian - Ovary Stripe
7 - Aimee Mann - The Scientist (Live)
7 - Kate Bush - And So Is Love
7 - Bob Marley - No Woman, No Cry
7 - Stephen Marley - You're Gonna Leave
7 - David Bowie - The Man Who Sold The World
7 - Radiohead - Subterranean Homesick Alien
7 - Blondie - One Way or Another
7 - Violent Femmes - Crazy
7 - Beck - Everybody's Got To Learn Sometime
7 - Tasmin Archer - Sleeping Satellite
7 - Oasis - Falling Down
7 - Chroma Key - Colorblind
7 - Counting Crows - Anna Begins
7 - Dire Straits - Single Handed Sailor
7 - The Clash - The Magnificent Seven
7 - Dusted - Always Remember to Respect and Honour Your Mother
7 - Blur - Out Of Time
7 - High Violets - Wheel
7 - Peter Gabriel - Growing Up
7 - Nitin Sawhney - Mausam
7 - Peter Gabriel - In Your Eyes (live in Athens 1988)
7 - Steppenwolf - Magic Carpet Ride
7 - The Clash - The Guns of Brixton
7 - Paolo Nutini - Candy

 


 vit wrote:
Tears for Fears. That's who this guy's voice reminds me of. The music and arrangement are great though.
 
please explain. it sounds like a load of overdubbed noise to me

 Droidac wrote:

Dude, do you ever say anything positive?
 
9 - Conjure One - Extraordinary Ways
9 - David Lindley and Wally Ingram - Pay Bo Diddley
9 - John Lennon - Imagine
9 - Fleetwood Mac - Tusk
9 - R.E.M. - Losing My Religion (live acoustic)
9 - David Bowie - Space Oddity
9 - Blur - Song 2
9 - R.E.M. - It's The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)
8 - Amy Winehouse - Back To Black
8 - Grant Lee Buffalo - Fuzzy
8 - Sinéad O'Connor - Downpressor Man
8 - The Police - Wrapped Around Your Finger
8 - The Smiths - How Soon Is Now
8 - Seal - Crazy
8 - Eva Cassidy - Ain't No Sunshine
8 - The Beatles - Come Together
8 - Peter Gabriel - Don't Give Up
8 - They Might Be Giants - Why Does The Sun Shine? (The Sun Is A Mass Of Incandescent Gas)
8 - John Lennon - (Just Like) Starting Over
8 - Nick Lowe - Breaking Glass
8 - Porcupine Tree - Cloud Zero
8 - The Beatles - Taxman
8 - Goldfrapp - Cologne Cerrone Houdini
8 - Neko Case - Buckets of Rain
8 - Cat Stevens - Bitterblue
8 - David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust (live)
8 - The Dandy Warhols - Love Song
8 - Air - La Femme D'Argent
8 - Talking Heads - Once In A Lifetime
8 - David Bowie - Starman
7 - Elvis Costello - Watching The Detectives
7 - Ray LaMontagne - Henry Nearly Killed Me (It's a shame)
7 - Sun Kil Moon - Glenn Tipton
7 - R.E.M. - Until The Day Is Done
7 - Snow Patrol - The Golden Floor
7 - Dire Straits - You And Your Friend
7 - Leo Kottke - World Turning
7 - Happy Mondays - Step On
7 - Neko Case - Middle Cyclone
7 - Peter Gabriel - Solsbury Hill
7 - The Beatles - Doctor Robert
7 - Johnny Cash - I'm Leaving Now
7 - Mike Oldfield - a) Secrets b) Far Above The Clouds
7 - Kasabian - Ovary Stripe
7 - Aimee Mann - The Scientist (Live)
7 - Kate Bush - And So Is Love
7 - Bob Marley - No Woman, No Cry
7 - Stephen Marley - You're Gonna Leave
7 - David Bowie - The Man Who Sold The World
7 - Radiohead - Subterranean Homesick Alien
7 - Blondie - One Way or Another
7 - Violent Femmes - Crazy
7 - Beck - Everybody's Got To Learn Sometime
7 - Tasmin Archer - Sleeping Satellite
7 - Oasis - Falling Down
7 - Chroma Key - Colorblind
7 - Counting Crows - Anna Begins
7 - Dire Straits - Single Handed Sailor
7 - The Clash - The Magnificent Seven
7 - Dusted - Always Remember to Respect and Honour Your Mother
7 - Blur - Out Of Time
7 - High Violets - Wheel
7 - Peter Gabriel - Growing Up
7 - Nitin Sawhney - Mausam
7 - Peter Gabriel - In Your Eyes (live in Athens 1988)
7 - Steppenwolf - Magic Carpet Ride
7 - The Clash - The Guns of Brixton
7 - Paolo Nutini - Candy

Tears for Fears. That's who this guy's voice reminds me of. The music and arrangement are great though.
 AdyMiles wrote:
utter crap
 
Dude, do you ever say anything positive?


I love it when my rating changes the average rating. My rating just took this from 7.2 to 7.3!
utter crap. loads of noise plus mediocre singing doesn't make for good music

I gotta buy this album!!! Every single track sounds great!{#Bananajam}
7 ==> 8

Freakin' great stuff once again from the Doves!
Wow. Amazing mix! This is a great disc. Radio Paradise makes me weep with joy @ times.
 Chinju wrote:
Nice sudden transition from Elton John - Sixty Years On
 
Agreed. Really made me sit up and listen, and smile.

 Chinju wrote:
Nice sudden transition from Elton John - Sixty Years On
 
I agree {#Clap}
 Chinju wrote:
Nice sudden transition from Elton John - Sixty Years On
 
No kidding!!!  Radio at it's BEST!!!  (Thank you BillG!!!)

Liking this one. Have always thought that the Doves have never really rescaled the heights of their
first album but this is really good.
Nice sudden transition from Elton John - Sixty Years On
What a great segue and what a great rocking set!

Doves - the Outsiders
Cracker - Time Machine
Son Volt - Drown

All hail the Master - Bill G. {#Notworthy}
I love this record. I think it's way better than "Coldplay with guitars", which some have said. It's much darker than that. 

Anyway, a great record... hope it does well. How will they reproduce it live though?

Much as I like it (maybe this is why I like it...) I have to say that this Doves album reminds me greatly of criminally-neglected 90s band

Swervedriver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swervedriver#2008_Reunion

This Doves album could practically be a long-lost unreleased Swervedriver LP.

Swervedriver just reunited at Coachella, and their long-out-of-print CDs are being reissued.  "Raise" is one of the great records of the 90s.  

 


What a concept: make sure the low-bitrate MP3 rips of your music sound just like the original by making the original sound like a low-bitrate MP3 rip.

The quality comes through—I do like it—but I tremble at the thought of hearing all the bands who will attempt to steal their sound. 

Wow. This sounds really thick.

Really looking foward to this CD.


Nice transition. A new Doves? Nice!
New Doves!
What, nothing to be said?
It would seem the Doves can do little wrong - 7 from me :)