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Porcupine Tree — Cloud Zero
Album: Staircase Infinities
Avg rating:
7.4

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Total ratings: 1165









Released: 1995
Length: 4:31
Plays (last 30 days): 1
(Instrumental)
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Wow,  their style has really evolved over the years!
I liked this better than the other PT songs that are on RP :) 
First, produced and performed (all instruments) by Steven Wilson in 1992-93.
love this tune! 
I think this is the first PT track I ever heard. I heard the Floyd homage or reference right away. I was less impressed with the music than the production and the attempt to make something new out of the passe. I'm less impressed now, but I leave it a loyal 8 because subsequent PT tracks — like Arriving Somewhere But Not Here and Dark Matter — are smoking hot.
 Laptopdog wrote:
On the bass, Derek Smalls. He wrote this.

 
Hilarious!  You do mean the fictitious character Derek Smalls from Spinal Tap?

Steven Wilson would have written and performed all instruments on the original.  Gavin Harrison replaced the drum machine on a subsequent release.  

This is Wilson's space rock/Pink Floyd period which I think he finds a tad embarrassing years later.   Personally, I enjoy a number of gems from the pre-Signify album period.  
On the bass, Derek Smalls. He wrote this.
 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Did anyone even see the comment I was responding to? That said people who don't like PT should be kicked off of RP? You people can listen to whatever you want. I listen to RP all day every day so I certainly don't need to "troll" the PT song comments. I just come over and give them a rating and respond once in a while to something someone says. You can post all sorts of replies to me here and I won't see them until the next time I hear this song which I hope will be a long long time . As opposed to the real trolls who go thru each song by an artist and rate them a 1 whether they've heard them or not. Which by the way explains how I get a wide range of ratings for a band like the Dead. I can listen to a few of their songs and enjoy them, most of them I don't care about one way or the other, and some of them are ghastly. I don't rate them all a 1 just because overall I don't care for the band, just as you should not rate all PT songs a 10 because you love the band. They can't all be gems, can they? If this is a 10, what about their better songs?
 
Paragraph! If you're equating the Cure and Depeche Mode, I guess just because they're British and "new wave," then you have no business commenting on my music tastes. They're as different as night and day and one of them is a lot better than the other.
 
Now, as far as staying out of song comments: What? I'm not allowed to or supposed to say when I hear something I don't like? If nobody ever posted negative comments, we'd still be listening to this.
 
I have been reading Scott's comments here and there for some time now.  He is actually a rather thoughtful commentator.  Plus, I probably like his politics.  :-)  Note:  his politics do not have to be the same as mine for me to like them.

So I reckon we give Scott a big generous blank cheque to trash Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson whenever he sees fit.

As always:  De gustibus no es disputandum.  

 
 westslope wrote:

Both.

Steven Wilson is the renaissance man of the modern rock world.  Nobody else can do it all as well as he does: writing, lyrics, melody, raw emotion, arrangements, production, etc.

His guitar abilities are very good, he simply compares himself to the best in the business.  Such as Guthrie Govan.  

Wilson's vocals are often understated but just as good or far better than many popular British progressive and alternative rock bands (example, Yes, Pink Floyd both of which are personal favourites).

Barbieri lends the unique sound and ambience to much of Porcupine Tree's music since and including the Signify CD.

Edwin is a very solid, disciplined bass player.

Drummer Gavin Harrison is brilliant and widely recognized as such.  Former drummer Chris Maitland was very good too and provided some nice backup vocals to earlier PT albums.

 
Thank you.
 moyad0 wrote:
wow, Mr. Wilson really knows how to make a good song...

 
Always pleasantly surprised to hear another great PT song. Love the effects and drive.
 idiot_wind wrote:
I really like these guys. They got a nice style of trippy RnR.

I wonder if they tour much?   In the Midwest.

The Midwest needs to be more trippy.

 
The Midwest needs more music, period.
Seems like the best shows are always on one of the coasts.
Even when some of the good bands are touring the Midwest they'll go to Cleveland, skip Michigan and then to Chicago.
But I can't blame them by judging from the bad music on MI radio the good ones probably couldn't fill a small bar here. 
I really like these guys. They got a nice style of trippy RnR.

I wonder if they tour much?   In the Midwest.

The Midwest needs to be more trippy.


Always delighted to hear Porcupine tree! Never heard of this instrumental before, excellent!
 Jelani wrote:
This is so cool, because it's Porcupine Tree without the lame voice.

 
Lame voice? What's your claim to fame? Can you sing?{#Ask}
This is so cool, because it's Porcupine Tree without the lame voice.
 TerryS wrote:
stevendejong wrote:

Singer and lead guitarist Steven Wilson always mentions he is not impressed with his own guitar skills. 
Bassist Colin Edwin is solid, I do not have the skills to judge his playing. 
Richard Barbieri adds great textures to the music; whether that is brilliant is an opinion. 
Drummer Gavin Harrison (not on this track) can most definitely not be denied brilliant musicianship. He is a genius. 

  
vs

 robco1 wrote:
23 years old. Every instrument. Mixed it himself(?) No matter. 

Wow. {#Notworthy}


Which view is correct? 

 
Both.

Steven Wilson is the renaissance man of the modern rock world.  Nobody else can do it all as well as he does: writing, lyrics, melody, raw emotion, arrangements, production, etc.

His guitar abilities are very good, he simply compares himself to the best in the business.  Such as Guthrie Govan.  

Wilson's vocals are often understated but just as good or far better than many popular British progressive and alternative rock bands (example, Yes, Pink Floyd both of which are personal favourites).

Barbieri lends the unique sound and ambience to much of Porcupine Tree's music since and including the Signify CD.

Edwin is a very solid, disciplined bass player.

Drummer Gavin Harrison is brilliant and widely recognized as such.  Former drummer Chris Maitland was very good too and provided some nice backup vocals to earlier PT albums.
wow, Mr. Wilson really knows how to make a good song...
 stevendejong wrote:

Singer and lead guitarist Steven Wilson always mentions he is not impressed with his own guitar skills.
Bassist Colin Edwin is solid, I do not have the skills to judge his playing.
Richard Barbieri adds great textures to the music; whether that is brilliant is an opinion.
Drummer Gavin Harrison (not on this track) can most definitely not be denied brilliant musicianship. He is a genius. 

 
vs

 robco1 wrote:
23 years old. Every instrument. Mixed it himself(?) No matter. 

Wow. {#Notworthy}


Which view is correct? 
 stevendejong wrote:

Singer and lead guitarist Steven Wilson always mentions he is not impressed with his own guitar skills.
Bassist Colin Edwin is solid, I do not have the skills to judge his playing.
Richard Barbieri adds great textures to the music; whether that is brilliant is an opinion.
Drummer Gavin Harrison (not on this track) can most definitely not be denied brilliant musicianship. He is a genius. 

 
Good view Steve, their bass player is doing something cool to the beat, following a bit maybe, that gives the music a distinct jazz feel. It reminds me of David Margen whom played on Santana's (dare I say) "post-acid-influenced" albums like Inner Secrets, which IMHO is an underappreciated jewel.

Them Porky-pines are a good band. They're on my List.

List works like this: listen on Hoopla free from my local library, then choose carefully at my local EllPeeHut spending the mas credit I have there from trading  LP's. Yahoo- recycled music!


 jukes1 wrote:
This one goes on for a bit, doesn't it?

 
if you are waiting for the end, you are missing the point.
 LowPhreak wrote:

Yeah, it requires a longer attention span than that of a house fly.

 
{#Roflol}
Why on earth do I not own anything by these guys?
 jukes1 wrote:
This one goes on for a bit, doesn't it?

 
Yeah, it requires a longer attention span than that of a house fly.  {#Beat}
holy shit - this is really really good
This one goes on for a bit, doesn't it?
 gormeister wrote:
there are many, many people who could easily objectively deny their (allegedly) brilliant musicianship...............
 
Singer and lead guitarist Steven Wilson always mentions he is not impressed with his own guitar skills.
Bassist Colin Edwin is solid, I do not have the skills to judge his playing.
Richard Barbieri adds great textures to the music; whether that is brilliant is an opinion.
Drummer Gavin Harrison (not on this track) can most definitely not be denied brilliant musicianship. He is a genius. 
 gormeister wrote:


there are many, many people who could easily objectively deny their (allegedly) brilliant musicianship...............

 
But we don't care for them and in fact... they just don't count
 rRedGuitar wrote:

If by "sucking" you mean you don't particularly care for their music, that's cool.  But I don't think anyone would objectively deny their brilliant musicianship.
 

there are many, many people who could easily objectively deny their (allegedly) brilliant musicianship...............
 ch83575 wrote:
Wow, they sucked as early as 1995?  I was unaware of their existence back then, I wish I could say the same for today.
 
If by "sucking" you mean you don't particularly care for their music, that's cool.  But I don't think anyone would objectively deny their brilliant musicianship.
Deadwing
(Cincinnati OH)
Posted: Sep 27, 2011 - 00:37 < Reply >

 ch83575 wrote:
Wow, they sucked as early as 1995?  I was unaware of their existence back then, I wish I could say the same for today.
  

And you've sucked since June 22, 2005. I was unaware of your existence back then, I wish I could say the same for today.

Right on, Deadwing!! {#Yes}


Attention PT fans (and I'm a BIG one). Do yourself a favor. If you can't see one of their shows, pick up the DVD's of their live performances on Anesthetize and Arriving Somewhere. Watching and experiencing this band perform live is another level you aren't getting by just listening to their music. Steven Wilson and the entire band are soooo excellent live. I have to break out these DVD's regularly. Listening to a CD just isn't the same as seeing them perform. 
 ch83575 wrote:
Wow, they sucked as early as 1995?  I was unaware of their existence back then, I wish I could say the same for today.
 

And you've sucked since June 22, 2005. I was unaware of your existence back then, I wish I could say the same for today.
 Jelani wrote:
Finally a PT tune worth listening to.
 

{#Doh}
Thought the opening sounded like Santana.....
 ch83575 wrote:
Wow, they sucked as early as 1995?  I was unaware of their existence back then, I wish I could say the same for today.

 

Your angst is obvious. Why don't you tell that elephant to take his foot off of your foot.

Many folks think P.T. is a great group and crank their speakers waaaay up.. all you have to do

is push that little button marked mute for 3 min. and attempt to conquer your own private elephant...... 


Wow, they sucked as early as 1995?  I was unaware of their existence back then, I wish I could say the same for today.
 purplespider wrote:
Has a String Cheese Incident/Widespread Panic kinda vibe. I like it.{#Good-vibes}
 
Agree.  Gotta love that guitar tone.

Has a String Cheese Incident/Widespread Panic kinda vibe. I like it.{#Good-vibes}
I hear a tall Steven Wilson.

Pretty dynamic. 1st time hearing this. I hear a little Jeff Beck.
Love the Tree!
 followmearound wrote:

Cloud Zero is on the Up the Downstair 2009 re-issue! 

 
It is really, really good!

 westslope wrote:

Love those trademark layered guitars.

Sigh.  Going to have buy this at some point.

 

Steven?  Listening? Please remaster.  :-)  Would prefer to enrich your grandchildren, not astute collectors.


 
Cloud Zero is on the Up the Downstair 2009 re-issue! 

Love those trademark layered guitars.

Sigh.  Going to have buy this at some point.

 

Steven?  Listening? Please remix :-)  Would prefer to enrich your grandchildren, not astute collectors.


his name is appropriate
no one can get near this
 cattail321 wrote:
awesome sound,,,,but not $99.00 WORTH

 
I Agree {#Lol}
cattail321 wrote:
awesome sound,,,,but not $99.00 WORTH


Greed does tend to diminish awesomeness, doesn't it!!! {#Naughty}
 robco1 wrote:
23 years old. Every instrument. Mixed it himself(?) No matter.

Wow. {#Notworthy}
 
Yes.  Almost frightening.  And who enjoys music when they feel intimidated?

23 years old. Every instrument. Mixed it himself(?) No matter.

Wow. {#Notworthy}
 Jelani wrote:
Finally a PT tune worth listening to.
 

{#Snooty}
Finally a PT tune worth listening to.
Very nice!
awesome sound,,,,but not $99.00 WORTH

Just returning from a nice ride after these three in a row - Best set ofthe day IMHO {#Cheers}

Muse - Resistance
Chroma Key - Colorblind
Porcupine Tree - Cloud Zero
 westslope wrote:

Finally caught it.  Steven Wilson at age 23ish on all instruments?  Amazing.

I like.

For comparison, listen to Tinto Brass a few years later with the entire band.


 
Good call!

Greater than great, nice! {#Group-hug}


 Deadwing wrote:
ScottFromWyoming always trolls the PT fans. Don't feed the bear hehehehe Even if he heard a PT song that he liked he would log in and say rude crap about it just to get us all in a furor LOL
 

 horstman wrote:
No Scott, we won't kick you off. You are entitled to your opinion as are we. The key is to not get personal or go into it too much. Some of us do that, even me on occasion.

But Porcupine Tree is a great band, even if they don't work for you. And I think that the point we're making is that if they (Porcupine Tree) don't do it for you, then stay off this part of the site. We don't care for your negative opinions. We love PT and you don't ,fine. But get outta our faces. Okay?

I also looked at your ratings. You're f'd up! You give great reviews to the Cure, and terrible ones to Depeche Mode. You give some great ratings to some Grateful Dead songs and then terrible ones to others. I think that you're conflicted.

Here's the solution. Next time PT comes on RP, go to the window, open it and scream as loud and as long as you can. You're from Wyoming, so the chances that anyone hears you is really, really remote. By the time you're done PT will be over and your mind will be clear to pick on something else that is on RP.

If that doesn't work, then at least your neighbor in the next county will know that you are as messed up as we already know you are!{#Yell}
 
Did anyone even see the comment I was responding to? That said people who don't like PT should be kicked off of RP? You people can listen to whatever you want. I listen to RP all day every day so I certainly don't need to "troll" the PT song comments. I just come over and give them a rating and respond once in a while to something someone says. You can post all sorts of replies to me here and I won't see them until the next time I hear this song which I hope will be a long long time . As opposed to the real trolls who go thru each song by an artist and rate them a 1 whether they've heard them or not. Which by the way explains how I get a wide range of ratings for a band like the Dead. I can listen to a few of their songs and enjoy them, most of them I don't care about one way or the other, and some of them are ghastly. I don't rate them all a 1 just because overall I don't care for the band, just as you should not rate all PT songs a 10 because you love the band. They can't all be gems, can they? If this is a 10, what about their better songs?
 
Paragraph! If you're equating the Cure and Depeche Mode, I guess just because they're British and "new wave," then you have no business commenting on my music tastes. They're as different as night and day and one of them is a lot better than the other.
 
Now, as far as staying out of song comments: What? I'm not allowed to or supposed to say when I hear something I don't like? If nobody ever posted negative comments, we'd still be listening to this.


{#Clap}

 westslope wrote:
A little different from The Incident but still enjoyable.
 
More or less, fourteen years of Porcupine Tree evolution. {#Smile}


Finally, a PT tune I can tolerate!
Yay! 
8->9...
{#Cowboy} Kewl...
Smooth 9x.x, with the greatest smooth jazz cuts from the 30's up to today. Keep it locked on Smooth 9x.x, and we'll help you get thru the workday...after a message from our sponsors...only on 9x.x the Smooth.
 quietman wrote:
I have to agree... Bill, you play some really excellent, obscure stuff. But then when we fall in love with it, and really want to have it for our own, it's impossible to get (or costs a fortune).

That said, keep it coming... this is why I listen! 
 
Imkirok wrote:
Please stop playing PT.  Just when I think I have enough of their albums, you play something different from one I don't have.  Now I'll have to buy this one.  My music budget is taking a hit.
 
 
Not true. Staircase infinities is bundled with Up the Downstair. So you get two albums for the price of one!


A little different from The Incident but still enjoyable.

 LowPhreak wrote:

LOL!
And let's not forget - Gavin Harrison is one of the best drummers on the scene today.  
 
Agreed, though he doesn't play on this album. His PT stuff starts in 2002 with In Absentia.

Nice
Prog Rocks ;-)
 
...surprised to hear this one here; pretty deep cut...
 westslope wrote:
That's not what is bothering Scott from out west. Not by a long shot. He's just super incensed that his government would hide sensitive, critical information from him. And then use the brothers and sisters as cheap cannon fodder in the more than questionable pursuit of ME real estate. Right Scott? Actually, Scott's just looking after the Constitution. He is making sure that nobody tramples all over on it. He's a Constitutional integrity-troller. Hugs and kisses.
 
LOL!
And let's not forget - Gavin Harrison is one of the best drummers on the scene today.  
nice
Great tune, Porcupine Tree rocks and w/o RP, I would have never found them. Keep making the great ecletic mixes that you make, y'all are awesome!
Where does Steven Wilson get all of his Owsley?
FYI, You can find this track on the re-release of "Up the Downstair"  It's the first track on Disc 2.  Just your friendly public service announcement.  :)
I have to agree... Bill, you play some really excellent, obscure stuff. But then when we fall in love with it, and really want to have it for our own, it's impossible to get (or costs a fortune).

That said, keep it coming... this is why I listen! 
 
Imkirok wrote:
Please stop playing PT.  Just when I think I have enough of their albums, you play something different from one I don't have.  Now I'll have to buy this one.  My music budget is taking a hit.
 


 Imkirok wrote:
Please stop playing PT.  Just when I think I have enough of their albums, you play something different from one I don't have.  Now I'll have to buy this one.  My music budget is taking a hit.
 

Yes, and have you seen the prices for this one at Amazon?  75 bucks USED!!

My exact same experience.  Many thanks to RP for the introduction!!    {#Good-vibes}

 

 etcarroll wrote:

I'd never heard PT till I got pointed to RP.

PT quickly becoming one of my faves, and this tune rocks.
 


Please stop playing PT.  Just when I think I have enough of their albums, you play something different from one I don't have.  Now I'll have to buy this one.  My music budget is taking a hit.
Awesome.
Quite cool indeed {#Guitarist}
I'd never heard PT till I got pointed to RP.

PT quickly becoming one of my faves, and this tune rocks.
nice...not familiar.
its why i love RP...and the wiki links..

I find this cute:

 
horstman wrote:
"....... The key is to not get personal ......."

and reading further:

"...............I also looked at your ratings. You're f'd up! ......."
&
".......you are as messed up as we already know you are!"

Damn I dig these guys. Another great RP find.

Finally caught it.  Steven Wilson at age 23ish on all instruments?  Amazing.

I like.

For comparison, listen to Tinto Brass a few years later with the entire band.


Wow! This is amazing music. Would never have guessed it was PT.
Porcupine Tree certainly produces a very diverse body of work. I would have never guessed this was them.
 zaknafein wrote:
This whole EP is just awesome. You can get it as an extra with the new remix of Up the Downstair. (also amazing)
 
I got the set as a gift last Christmas.  Great CDs....

 shayde wrote:
Heyyy, this is GOOD.   I have a 'progressive' channel set up on Pandora, and Porcupine Tree comes up a lot - I guess it's something I need to get more of, huh?
 
{#Yes}

Heyyy, this is GOOD.   I have a 'progressive' channel set up on Pandora, and Porcupine Tree comes up a lot - I guess it's something I need to get more of, huh?
Not heard this before... PT amaze once again!

Missed this.....  Was making coffee and then listening to the LRC.

 

FYI.  Normal from the Nil Recurring EP is up for peer review on the LRC (Listener Review Channel).  It is a more industrial, metal-sounding version of Sentimental from the Fear of a Blank Planet LP.

And an even better piece IMO. It is a great piece of music with once again, lyrics that address contemporary, critical social issues.  Go vote!

I cannot imagine Bill playing it in heavy rotation but the odd play would be pleasant.



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


I think this band is a waste of airtime. There I said it. Gonna kick me off too?
 

No Scott, we won't kick you off. You are entitled to your opinion as are we. The key is to not get personal or go into it too much. Some of us do that, even me on occasion.

But Porcupine Tree is a great band, even if they don't work for you. And I think that the point we're making is that if they (Porcupine Tree) don't do it for you, then stay off this part of the site. We don't care for your negative opinions. We love PT and you don't ,fine. But get outta our faces. Okay?

I also looked at your ratings. You're f'd up! You give great reviews to the Cure, and terrible ones to Depeche Mode. You give some great ratings to some Grateful Dead songs and then terrible ones to others. I think that you're conflicted.

Here's the solution. Next time PT comes on RP, go to the window, open it and scream as loud and as long as you can. You're from Wyoming, so the chances that anyone hears you is really, really remote. By the time you're done PT will be over and your mind will be clear to pick on something else that is on RP.

If that doesn't work, then at least your neighbor in the next county will know that you are as messed up as we already know you are!{#Yell}

Floyd + Phish + Santana + muzak = ugh
be more floydish, but still.....
Very nice indeed...some day I'll own all of their music...I'm nearly there..
9-10. Just superb. Close to the mark of the stellar King Crimson. Must admit to a penchant for prog rock tho'..... :daisy:
Deadwing wrote:
ScottFromWyoming always trolls the PT fans. Don't feed the bear :stop: hehehehe :roflol: ...
That's not what is bothering Scott from out west. Not by a long shot. He's just super incensed that his government would hide sensitive, critical information from him. And then use the brothers and sisters as cheap cannon fodder in the more than questionable pursuit of ME real estate. Right Scott? Actually, Scott's just looking after the Constitution. He is making sure that nobody tramples all over on it. He's a Constitutional integrity-troller. Hugs and kisses. :kiss:
You know, I can't say that I'd be too upset if I never heard a Porcupine Tree song again. Blech.
Wow...this is flying just like me!
ScottFromWyoming always trolls the PT fans. Don't feed the bear :stop: hehehehe :roflol: Even if he heard a PT song that he liked he would log in and say rude crap about it just to get us all in a furor LOL :wink:
calray wrote:
Maybe we don't need negative numbers, instead maybe we need to start kicking people off of radioparadise, or at least taking away their priviledge of making dumb comments, like yours. open you mind, dude... it feels good.
I think this band is a waste of airtime. There I said it. Gonna kick me off too?
Leslie wrote:
You can drive safely while listening to PT. I listen to them 5 days a week for 3 hours a day, during my commute. No accidents yet in over 1 year! :lol:
It's only a matter of time (for both of us). You live in California, and I drive a subaru wrx! Speed vs congestion. Speed is the lesser evil. Load PT, downshift, and drive on!
WOWZERS! MAN! :music:
This whole EP is just awesome. You can get it as an extra with the new remix of Up the Downstair. (also amazing)
...doubleplusgood!..
calray wrote:
Maybe we don't need negative numbers, instead maybe we need to start kicking people off of radioparadise, or at least taking away their priviledge of making dumb comments, like yours. open you mind, dude... it feels good.
You kidding me? If the only comments on these message boards were pure praise, I'd never bother to read them. Flame On!
Deadwing wrote:
Keep in mind this is Porcupine Tree at it's very earliest stages. This is Steven Wilson at age 23ish by himself on all instruments. Very different from the Tree of today :jump:
Yeah, they're WAAAY darker now. Still love em...
horstman wrote:
It took all of about 3 seconds to figure out this is porcupine tree. Steve Wilson is so unmistakable. And unforgettable. This is a very good album and shows the many layers this band puts forth into their music. Would be great for driving if it weren't for the daydream factor. Solid 9
reminded me a little of Santana but didn't sound quite right for him
horstman wrote:
It took all of about 3 seconds to figure out this is porcupine tree. Steve Wilson is so unmistakable. And unforgettable. This is a very good album and shows the many layers this band puts forth into their music. Would be great for driving if it weren't for the daydream factor. Solid 9
You can drive safely while listening to PT. I listen to them 5 days a week for 3 hours a day, during my commute. No accidents yet in over 1 year! :lol:
Frater_Kork wrote:
Great track! Reminds me a bit of Ozric Tentacles.
Methinks PT listened to a lot of OT. It's even right alphabetically, OT came before PT, and they're both GREAT bands!
Al_Koholic wrote:
Me too! :dance: Thanks to RP.
Me three! I'd probably never have heard of PT otherwise. Love ya, Bill! :hug:
It took all of about 3 seconds to figure out this is porcupine tree. Steve Wilson is so unmistakable. And unforgettable. This is a very good album and shows the many layers this band puts forth into their music. Would be great for driving if it weren't for the daydream factor. Solid 9
Great track! Reminds me a bit of Ozric Tentacles.
MidLyfe wrote:
I love this band.
Me too! :dance: Thanks to RP.
I love this band.
:sunny: :bounce: :sunny:
I like this. Got a little funky shuffle thing going on that you don't hear in newer PT.
Keep in mind this is Porcupine Tree at it's very earliest stages. This is Steven Wilson at age 23ish by himself on all instruments. Very different from the Tree of today :jump:
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
:sunny: