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Alpinestars — Crystal Night
Album: White Noise
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Released: 2002
Length: 4:07
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Too much - MUTE!
Trallala (means > 2)
 Trustocity wrote:
Wow, if this song only coincidentally shares the name of one of the most evil events in recorded human history, how unfortunate for this band. I wonder if they have a song called "Christianseatenbylionsatdawn."
 
Hilarious.  Reminds me of the episode where Kramer learns that Lou Gehrig died from Lou Gehrig's Disease:  "Whoa!  What were the odds of that?!?"

 DrLex wrote:

Maybe you should read a few texts of this nutcase: https://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/1917/
That should give you enough of an overdose of nonsensical associations to prevent yourself from making any. Except if you're all apopheniacs yourselves of course.
 
Aaaarggg!  I should have just ignored the nutcase link, but no!  I had to go and click on it, and now I'm going to have nightmares...

Thanks for nothing... see you all in the morning.

 Mark_Moosier wrote:
I think this is the first time I've ever had to hit the "mute" button on RP.
 

you are not listening enough.

Anyone know what happened to these guys?  No album in 5 years.
I think this is the first time I've ever had to hit the "mute" button on RP.
 BillG wrote:

One of the original names of the duo was "Homoelectric", which leads one to believe that they might be members of a social group with distinctly non-fascist tendencies :-).

 
It aint necessarily so. Made the same assumption about my boss. He is gay. He thinks all criminals should be castrated, without anaesthetic - testicles will be provided for those who don't have them. The same applies to our current, allegedly left-wing government. He misses Margaret Thatcher.

twm wrote:
Both Amazon.com and the Astralwerks websites currently list the title as being "Crystal Night" (two words). It seems like it may be mislabeled here on Radio Paradise. I do hope these guys aren't white supremacists as I was quite liking the song before I read the comments.
The original title of the song in our database was incorrect. It is indeed two words and has nothing to do with the tragic events of 1938. It's unfortunate that the mistitling led to such misguided speculation here. The band members are neither Nazis nor white supremacists. German, yes. Nazi, no. One of the original names of the duo was "Homoelectric", which leads one to believe that they might be members of a social group with distinctly non-fascist tendencies :-).
Tonight, the arrangement of this is reminding me a bit of Rainbow, fer cryin' out loud: Stone cold... And I thought I knew you so well... Stone cold Cant break away from your spell... You leave me stone cold
:yawn:
Not bad at all.... But what a nonsense to combine 'Alpine' with 'Aryan'. :stupid: :mrgreen: I can't find any connectin between the band and any Nazi-stuff...!? Though the title 'Crystalnight' definetly reminds one of what happened in November 1938 in Germany. :shifty:
physicsgenius wrote:
"Crystalnight" (especially with no spaces) is a direct translation of the German "Krystalnacht", which is when the Nazis started outright blaming Jews for trashing Germany. Couple that with the German (not to mention Aryan) image that "Alpine Stars" gives, and I have to wonder what the basis of this song is.
I agree! And look at the album title - White Noise! White supremacy alert! Could it possibly get any more racist than that? :stupid:
physicsgenius wrote:
Uhhh... "Crystalnight" (especially with no spaces) is a direct translation of the German "Krystalnacht", which is when the Nazis started outright blaming Jews for trashing Germany. Couple that with the German (not to mention Aryan) image that "Alpine Stars" gives, and I have to wonder what the basis of this song is.
With this type of logic, I wonder what type of physicist you are. Probably pretty crappy.
Daniel_Pittenger wrote:
There is no Nazi connection for christ sake. I haven't heard this song in a long time, although not necessarily a bad thing.
Agreed. And the song isn't half bad.
The Lyrics seem very simplistic to me. An alternative interpretation might be: when people are teens they are cocky and act like they know everything and some people (in the USA, for example) think the time in the sun for them was their teens. Like the folks mentioned in "glory days" by bruce springsteen? "I was such a football hero back then.I had my whole life ahead of me" "Oh I was such a hot prom queen back then and anything was possible blah blah blah." Unless there's the outright message of destroying someone's way of life, burning their religious institutions, execution, I see subtletly and nothing more. Maybe the guys like snow and the whole winter olympics jam. Good for them. Is this a new band? I'd be curious to know why all the snow names recently--arctic monkeys, snow patrol, alpinestars....?! If they were all produced by Al Gore I would crack up.
Trustocity wrote:
Wow, if this song only coincidentally shares the name of one of the most evil events in recorded human history, how unfortunate for this band. I wonder if they have a song called "Christianseatenbylionsatdawn."
OK, now THAT was funny. :clap:
physicsgenius wrote:
Alpine -> Aryan -> Nazi
Eh, what? "Alpine" and "Aryan" are not even slightly related words. From the OED: Aryan: f. Sanskrit {amac}rya, in the later language ‘noble, of good family,' but apparently in earlier use a national name ‘comprising the worshippers of the gods of the Brahmans' (Max MÃŒller); cf. Zend airya ‘venerable,' also a national name, and Old Persian (AchÊmenian) ariya national name (applied to himself by Darius Hystaspes); whence probably Gr. {Alenis}{rho}{epsilon}{giacu}{alpha}, {Alenis}{rho}{giacu}{alpha}, L. Ar{imac}a, Aria, and Ari{amac}na, the eastern part of ancient Persia, and Pehlevi and mod.Pers. Irân ‘Persia.' Alpine: ad. L. alp{imac}nus, f. Alpes Alps (Sorry about the markup. "imac" is an "i" with a line over it, and "amac" is an "a" with a line over it, both indicating long vowels.)
Am I the only one that thinks of Nazis (among other things) when I think of the Alps? That particular link is pretty tenuous, but the "Crystalnight" one really strengthens the whole thing.
Yes, you are. And no it doesn't.
There is no Nazi connection for christ sake. I haven't heard this song in a long time, although not necessarily a bad thing.
twm wrote:
Could you clarify how "Alpine" == Nazi? I can see how "White Noise" might be construed that way (although judging from their website and cover art they are obsessed with skiing, which would also explain such references to snow and ice). I don't get the negative connotations of "Alpine", though.
Alpine -> Aryan -> Nazi Am I the only one that thinks of Nazis (among other things) when I think of the Alps? That particular link is pretty tenuous, but the "Crystalnight" one really strengthens the whole thing.
Weren't homosexuals also targets in The Holocaust? It seems like there could be a bit of a conflict between being a white supremacist and associating so strongly with gay people. I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it would be unusual.
It would be stupid, but I wouldn't call it unusual. Log Cabin Republicans, I'm looking at you.
I've noticed a lot of songs on RP lately that seem influenced by Al Stewart. I don't recall him seeming very cutting-edge in his time, but his effects linger!
physicsgenius wrote:
If it were just the name of the song and the "Alpine" connection/image
Could you clarify how "Alpine" == Nazi? I can see how "White Noise" might be construed that way (although judging from their website and cover art they are obsessed with skiing, which would also explain such references to snow and ice). I don't get the negative connotations of "Alpine", though. Here's something interesting from the Alpinestars bio at their record label at (click here) :
HOMOELECTRIC Famously, Alpinestars only came into being after the promoters of (sadly deceased) Manchester hotspot Homoelectric (imagine 500 Soft Cell groupies in a down-at-heel lesbian cabaret bar) challenged Glyn and Richard to write an hour of peachy keen autobahn synth-pop...
Weren't homosexuals also targets in The Holocaust? It seems like there could be a bit of a conflict between being a white supremacist and associating so strongly with gay people. I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it would be unusual.
Stingray wrote:
The "KRISTALLNACHT" was not just "blaming" the Jews. KRobyn is perfectly right with his explanation of what has really happened. It was the "beginning of the end" for the Jews in Germany and one of the darkest points in German history. The "Kristallnacht" was 1938 and this is nearly how backwards this music sounds to me. AWFUL! Just awful! from Cologne in Germany, STINGRAY
I was using shorthand. If it were just the name of the song, I'd call it a coincidence. If it were just the name of the song and the "Alpine" connection/image, I'd call it creepy but possibly explicable. With the name of the album, I have to call it pretty unlikely that it didn't at least occur to them that they were making something that white supremacists would pick up on.
Dave_Mack wrote:
You just don't call a song Crystalnight, especially using only one word, and not expect people will have strong negative feelings to it
Both Amazon.com and the Astralwerks websites currently list the title as being "Crystal Night" (two words). It seems like it may be mislabeled here on Radio Paradise. I do hope these guys aren't white supremacists as I was quite liking the song before I read the comments.
hippiechick wrote:
Sorry, the same thought came to my mind when I saw the title of the song. Are we Jews just paranoid? Just because you're paranoid, that doesn't mean they aren't out to get ya!
I'm with ya (not agin ya!). You just don't call a song Crystalnight, especially using only one word, and not expect people will have strong negative feelings to it, irrespective of whether it's any good or not.
Nice song, but there's something about the music for this that makes my brain hurt.
I love this song and can't find it anywhere.
yay for Alpinestars, always!
rascal420 wrote:
I dunno. Look at the first letter of the band's name. Then think of the the first letter of the word Ayran. They're both the letter "A". See?
:lol:
jah_blessed wrote:
People get a grip! I'm sure these guys are not white supremacists or anything. The title is just an unfortunate coincidence. You people display a total disregard for history by associating this track (if only faintly) with the Jewish persecution in Nazi Germany. That all doesn't save the track from sucking royally, though.
Sorry, the same thought came to my mind when I saw the title of the song. Are we Jews just paranoid? Just because you're paranoid, that doesn't mean they aren't out to get ya!
KRobyn wrote:
As do I. Not to mention the album's title: White Noise. If it's not code, I don't know what is. :puke:
White noise is noise with equal amplitude at all frequencies and this term is extremely common in electronics, audio and music contexts. Maybe you should read a few texts of this nutcase: https://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/1917/ That should give you enough of an overdose of nonsensical associations to prevent yourself from making any. Except if you're all apopheniacs yourselves of course.
Alpinestars has alot of nice groooves, this is not neccessarily one of them. Though, it's still good. 7.5/10.
jah_blessed wrote:
People get a grip! I'm sure these guys are not white supremacists or anything. The title is just an unfortunate coincidence. You people display a total disregard for history by associating this track (if only faintly) with the Jewish persecution in Nazi Germany. That all doesn't save the track from sucking royally, though.
I dunno. Look at the first letter of the band's name. Then think of the the first letter of the word Ayran. They're both the letter "A". See?
People get a grip! I'm sure these guys are not white supremacists or anything. The title is just an unfortunate coincidence. You people display a total disregard for history by associating this track (if only faintly) with the Jewish persecution in Nazi Germany. That all doesn't save the track from sucking royally, though.
The "KRISTALLNACHT" was not just "blaming" the Jews. KRobyn is perfectly right with his explanation of what has really happened. It was the "beginning of the end" for the Jews in Germany and one of the darkest points in German history. The "Kristallnacht" was 1938 and this is nearly how backwards this music sounds to me. AWFUL! Just awful! from Cologne in Germany, STINGRAY
Haaaaa...! Who was so silly to sign this kids? Worse the "Ruby Ridge"! PS: not "RUBYHORSE", they're great!
Mugro wrote:
I too get an uneasy feeling about this connection.
As do I. Not to mention the album's title: White Noise. If it's not code, I don't know what is. :puke: And the Nazi's didn't just "start blaming Jews" that night, they started destroying Jewish homes and lives -- the broken glass strewn everywhere by morning gave the night it's name.
Pipes wrote:
Sedimented down to the obscurity they so richly deserve!
Cutting against the grain of recent posts, I bought this CD after hearing a few songs here on RP and actually its pretty good. May have to do a Google search to see what (if anything)is going on with them.
folklore wrote:
what has happened to this band? anyone know...
Sedimented down to the obscurity they so richly deserve!
physicsgenius wrote:
Uhhh... "Crystalnight" (especially with no spaces) is a direct translation of the German "Krystalnacht", which is when the Nazis started outright blaming Jews for trashing Germany. Couple that with the German (not to mention Aryan) image that "Alpine Stars" gives, and I have to wonder what the basis of this song is.
I too get an uneasy feeling about this connection.
Uhhh... "Crystalnight" (especially with no spaces) is a direct translation of the German "Krystalnacht", which is when the Nazis started outright blaming Jews for trashing Germany. Couple that with the German (not to mention Aryan) image that "Alpine Stars" gives, and I have to wonder what the basis of this song is.
This is a good album. there are some great 70's soft rock moments intertwined with techno beats.
folklore wrote:
what has happened to this band? anyone know...
hopefully they've taken some composition classes, where ever they are.
what has happened to this band? anyone know...
trekhead wrote:
Yeah, he IS good. The style of song and sometimes even the notes... Gotta go! PF just came on....
hmm? :D
According to the blurb on the record company website "ICE and snow figure highly in The Alpinestars mindset. "I like skiing- it's beautiful and quiet," says Richard, but it runs deeper than that. Titles like "Snow Patrol" and "New Ice Age" merely hint at the chilly, yet oddly cosy, atmosphere that pervades White Noise." Maybe they should take a decent history book out on the slopes with them next time? PS they named the band after their favourite make of bicycle, so perhaps it's not suprising...
Wow, if this song only coincidentally shares the name of one of the most evil events in recorded human history, how unfortunate for this band. I wonder if they have a song called "Christianseatenbylionsatdawn."
FilmSurgeon wrote:
Nice segue from Air's 'Talisman' to this, Bill.
:nodhead:
rah wrote:
somehow i doubt the site those lyrics came from is native english-speaking. Also, on the album it's listed as "Crystal Night" (two words). I doubt it has anything but coincedence in common with Kristalnacht. more likely it's about wasting your life getting high on speed.
I think you're right, rah. Then, again, I've managed to waste my life substance free! :D 8-<
beachbum wrote:
Ah, you are the seque master! :clap:
Yeah, he IS good. The style of song and sometimes even the notes... Gotta go! PF just came on....
Ah, you are the seque master! :clap:
somehow i doubt the site those lyrics came from is native english-speaking. Also, on the album it's listed as "Crystal Night" (two words). I doubt it has anything but coincedence in common with Kristalnacht. more likely it's about wasting your life getting high on speed.
Nice segue from Air's 'Talisman' to this, Bill.
rulebritannia wrote:
Good catch, BG. It seems from the lyrics that they passed on the chance to capture the evocative imagery of that tragic night.
Well, at least they made the attempt to talk about it..I really started to like this band, lyrics and music...I think they have a very distinctive sound
Businessgypsy wrote:
Krystalnacht? Alpinestars? Is this song about that infamous night in Germany before WWII when the Jew's shop windows were shattered by the Brownshirts leaving the streets looking as though they were paved with crystal? I'm kinda reading that in the lyric. Somebody please debunk this half-baked theory!
Good catch, BG. It seems from the lyrics that they passed on the chance to capture the evocative imagery of that tragic night.
This voice sounds almost exactly like Dave Gahan (depeche mode)...
keener alert! Franlrc wrote:
rgj13 wrote:
I wondered, too. The title's certainly suggestive enough; the lyrics don't seem to me to nail down any specific reference, but could be read that way, maybe.
I think it is just a coincidence, or at least I hope so. These are the lyrics according to a site called letsingit.com. (I am not making up that name.) I think there is some dungeons and dragons-type game called Crystalnight. At the burningman festival one year, they had a special tent set up for it. I also found an Amime site with a different song bearing the same name with lyrics in both English and Japanese. Crystalnight by Alpinestars Crystalnight When we walked in the sun And we spoked with a rise No one woke was to come In the season of ice When we walked in the sun And talked in the sun And we knew everything. When we lived in our time That's (??) us now We try hard to return But nobody knows how When we lived in a time And loved in a time And we had everything. Crystalnight Oooh, and we knew everything Crystalnight Now the tables have turned And the seasons have passed We have wasted our lifes And straight from the path That we walked in the sun When we talked in the sun And we had everything When we walked in the sun And we spoke with a rise No one woke was to come In the season of ice When we walked in the sun And we talked in the sun And we knew everything Oooh, and we knew everything Now haven't you heard, haven't you heard? (Crystalnight) We're a part of the night.
rgj13 wrote:
I wondered, too. The title's certainly suggestive enough; the lyrics don't seem to me to nail down any specific reference, but could be read that way, maybe.
I think it is just a coincidence, or at least I hope so. These are the lyrics according to a site called letsingit.com. (I am not making up that name.) I think there is some dungeons and dragons-type game called Crystalnight. At the burningman festival one year, they had a special tent set up for it. I also found an Amime site with a different song bearing the same name with lyrics in both English and Japanese. Crystalnight by Alpinestars Crystalnight When we walked in the sun And we spoked with a rise No one woke was to come In the season of ice When we walked in the sun And talked in the sun And we knew everything. When we lived in our time That's (??) us now We try hard to return But nobody knows how When we lived in a time And loved in a time And we had everything. Crystalnight Oooh, and we knew everything Crystalnight Now the tables have turned And the seasons have passed We have wasted our lifes And straight from the path That we walked in the sun When we talked in the sun And we had everything When we walked in the sun And we spoke with a rise No one woke was to come In the season of ice When we walked in the sun And we talked in the sun And we knew everything Oooh, and we knew everything Now haven't you heard, haven't you heard? (Crystalnight) We're a part of the night.
Businessgypsy wrote:
Krystalnacht? Alpinestars? Is this song about that infamous night in Germany before WWII when the Jew's shop windows were shattered by the Brownshirts leaving the streets looking as though they were paved with crystal? I'm kinda reading that in the lyric. Somebody please debunk this half-baked theory!
I wondered, too. The title's certainly suggestive enough; the lyrics don't seem to me to nail down any specific reference, but could be read that way, maybe.
Businessgypsy wrote:
Krystalnacht? Alpinestars? Is this song about that infamous night in Germany before WWII when the Jew's shop windows were shattered by the Brownshirts leaving the streets looking as though they were paved with crystal? I'm kinda reading that in the lyric. Somebody please debunk this half-baked theory!
Funny, I was wondering if anybody else caught the "crystalnacht" thing or not.
Cyclehawk wrote:
Cool song. I'd like to hear more. Have never heard of these guys.... where are they from?
The Manchester duo of Richard Woolgar and Gly Thomas came into being when the promoters of a local club challenged the pair to compose an hour's worth of music. Influenced by New Order and Depeche Mode, the two took the name Alpinestarsfrom Thomas' mountain bike and proceeded to meet the challenge.
Krystalnacht? Alpinestars? Is this song about that infamous night in Germany before WWII when the Jew's shop windows were shattered by the Brownshirts leaving the streets looking as though they were paved with crystal? I'm kinda reading that in the lyric. Somebody please debunk this half-baked theory!
I don't know, but this sounds like quintessential French movie music. Don't get me wrong, I still kinda lke it. But, then, I like French movies!
Cool song. I'd like to hear more. Have never heard of these guys.... where are they from?