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Miles Davis — Freddie Freeloader
Album: Kind Of Blue
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Released: 1959
Length: 9:45
Plays (last 30 days): 1
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 idiot_wind wrote:
 
 
Know what you mean, but when you listen to these sessions as a unified thing what makes it amazing is finding them all working together.  The dif between Miles and Coltrane in the early shift is just so fucking FLAT.  Like a thick dark line.  What a record.  Genius behind all this.
So here's the  debate I have. 

Which is more engaging: Coltrane on this album where's he'a playing with a top notch group.

Or him playing  with his own group on Giant Steps or Favorite Things.  I mean McCoy Tyner was at top of his game. on piano and Coltrane knew it.   
Still one of my favorite pieces of music. Sunday evening, my back porch, and a cocktail. Really, there is no reason why life has to be that complicated.
Does not get any better than this!

Only the train maybe...
...a good brew and a fine cigar, for starters    hbs47 wrote:
Same old same old. Every artists tunes have the same walking bass, with a load of tuneless wanking over the top, jazz what is it good for?
 

This album is now 60 years old - a year older than I am. I was introduced to it when I was 21 or 22 - a time when my tastes ranged from Elton John to Steely Dan, Pink Floyd to Steeleye Span, Bowie to Tull, with heavy doses of Zepplin and Hawkwind balanced by Kate Bush and Talking Heads. I wasn't afraid to explore diffetent musical genres but knew fuck all about jazz beyond the Steely Dan and Joni influences. While my folks had raised me on 40s swing Big Bands like Glen Miller and Benny Goodman I'd never heard anything like Miles. Immediately hooked. I went forwards and backwards in Miles's catalogue - the earlier covers of classics were "nice", later Bitches Brew fusion stuff was (still is) nearly unlistenable to my ears. Over the years I've enjoyed his explorations into other territories - love Aura and Doobop especially. But Kinda Blue has remained a very particular form of aural Comfort Food. Anyone moaning about it needs to sit down with their mellow of choice and a fine set of speakers or headphones and just let it flow. Take the time to REALLY listen.
started out so great, then it lost me
The thing about this album  is who's playing with him and how much spotlight and freedom his gives to them. Remember: Miles could be a real jerk at times.

But on this album he lets Coltrane and Adderly  "outplay" him at times.  This format was adopted in the next decade by alot of RnR bands.   
Yeah, take that bass for a walk!
 johnnyvelcro wrote:
does anyone know if they're ok? fires and all?
 
Rebecca and Bill moved from Paradise before the fires hit. They're OK but all of their friends from Paradise lost their homes. 
Kind OP Blue is one of those iconic records of where there's no bad track on it; the  whole album just flows. But I love this track in particular. Hard to not feel good while listening to it.
 johnnyvelcro wrote:
does anyone know if they're ok? fires and all?
 
I emailed Bill to see if they got out OK. Obviously radio is still going...
does anyone know if they're ok? fires and all?
The thing I like about this is that it's clean and simple. A bunch of cats in a room playing their instruments the best they know how. No flash no fury. Just a timeless swingin' tune. I wish I had my bigger speakers hooked up for this.  
 kingart wrote:
hbs47, what?
Is that a rhetorical question? Jazz, what is it good for? Well, for one thing, it's the *only* art form that exclusively originated and was mastered in America.  It evolves from the history — slavery, blues, gospel, folk.  For everything else — movies, painting, all the others — Americans were not first and never necessarily did it better or more incisively than anyone from UK, France, Russia, etc.  That's what it's good for. It's *American* music and great art. That's just for starters. And Miles would have been the very first to ask you what your dumb ass question was good for?  
 
Thank you, kingart.
You saved me a lot of typing.  ; )
This ALWAYS stops me in my tracks and has me relax and pay attention.  Mastery.
 hbs47 wrote:
Same old same old. Every artists tunes have the same walking bass, with a load of tuneless wanking over the top, jazz what is it good for?
 
hbs47, what?
Is that a rhetorical question? Jazz, what is it good for? Well, for one thing, it's the *only* art form that exclusively originated and was mastered in America.  It evolves from the history -- slavery, blues, gospel, folk.  For everything else -- movies, painting, all the others -- Americans were not first and never necessarily did it better or more incisively than anyone from UK, France, Russia, etc.  That's what it's good for. It's *American* music and great art. That's just for starters. And Miles would have been the very first to ask you what your dumb ass question was good for?  
The man was a genius.
The Quincy Jones morning orange juice
Not a big jazz or trumpet fan but this is coconut milk.
Same old same old. Every artists tunes have the same walking bass, with a load of tuneless wanking over the top, jazz what is it good for?
I actually saw Miles twice at Jazz Festivals ( not during THIS era of his career of course) -- always amazing
 hayduke2 wrote:

A1  {#Clap}

 
You said it right, improv is not easy.  When you get musicians like these guys they make improv look easy, but it is NOT at all.  If done poorly is sounds cacophonous.
 fraserji wrote:
Well said, Kingart. 

 


 kingart wrote:

You certainly have committed one by apparently dissin' this performance.
If you believe John Coltrane and Davis are 'punishment', I'll be the first to be flogged. Thank you, sir, may I have some more?
 

 


 coloradojohn wrote:
Every one of the people who ever glanced at my collection and said, "Hey I realize I should know SOME of this jazz, but I don't know where to start..." saw me drop what I was doing and shove this CD into their hands...and within days, they were HOOKED.  Yup, it's that good.  Every single musician on it is in top improvisational form, too — which is far more complicated than it sounds!  DIAMOND!

 
A1  {#Clap}
DANCING MY A... Off! Yeah RP. Love YOU!
The piano solo sound way in the background to me.  {#Bananapiano}
But I still love this jazz jam.
 johnjconn wrote:
I wonder if God uses jazz music as punishment for those who've committed some sin.
 
You certainly have committed one by apparently dissin' this performance.
If you believe John Coltrane and Davis are 'punishment', I'll be the first to be flogged. Thank you, sir, may I have some more?
 
 Skydog wrote:
the PSD dice are rolling just perfect, think I'll log out and put "Kind Of Blue" on the stereo

 
Oh you said it already! Now, here, same!

{#Clap}{#Clap}{#Clap}{#Clap} Great Bass!
the PSD dice are rolling just perfect, think I'll log out and put "Kind Of Blue" on the stereo
 Pedro1874 wrote:
Only 10 Miles' tracks in the library Bill?! {#Rolleyes}  {#Naughty} More please {#Sunny}{#Good-vibes}

 
We're now down to nine.
 1wolfy wrote:
to be enjoyed with a fancy glass of ______.  you fill in the blank
 
Ardbeg . . . or maybe Lagavulin.
More like this pleeeeeeease?
Freddie can freeload at mine anytime if he brings tunes like this
Only 10 Miles' tracks in the library Bill?! {#Rolleyes}  {#Naughty} More please {#Sunny}{#Good-vibes}
 Jahgal wrote:

I'd go to that party, Mingus on the ipod to help you out!
{#Cowboy} along with a few other party favours to ensure the mellowness....

 

 
I had to jump in and concur that jazz is not always easy listening for me either. It definitely sets a mood though and I use it almost therapeutically because of that fact. Recently I discovered some Stan Getz with Oscar Peterson and Coleman Hawkins stuff I purchased for my late father who was a fan of each. It is quite amazing stuff in its own right as well. The few Coltrane cuts I have are simply amazing... 
Sweet.  Not familiar with this.  Just put it on buy list.
this is outstanding
Sounds like Mumford & Sons, too repetitive, like nails on a chalkboard, derivative.  Those seem to be the four most widely-used comments for every song.  9

 unclehud wrote:

Are you genetically defective for not liking Miles?  Perhaps, but you're definitely not alone.  Frankly, I think it's more like you're in too big a hurry to hear something familiar or relatively familiar.  Real jazz isn't always easy listening.

I love Miles; love Coltrane; love Brubeck; love the MJQ; love the Crusadaers; and love many, many others.  But I wouldn't put them in my playlist for a cocktail party — unless it's late and everybody's feeling verrrrrrrrry mellow..
 
I'd go to that party, Mingus on the ipod to help you out!
{#Cowboy} along with a few other party favours to ensure the mellowness....

 
I think I take exception to the title of this rambling noodling kool-fest for hepcats... ;(

 1wolfy wrote:
to be enjoyed with a fancy glass of ______.  you fill in the blank
 
painkillers?

Any time any place............. genius
This is top 3 desert island selection for SURE!
Don't get me wrong I can appreciate jazz and the musicianship behind it, there is some unbelievable stuff in there, its just not my thing.

My buddy once told me an analogy of how he thinks of it and it rings true for me as well:

"Jazz is all the musicians playing their own song in closed rooms and every now and then someone opens the doors so they can hear each other." 
I think some people think that you have to be "hip" or "cool" or something to get jazz.  Not to me.  I just listen to it and go along for the ride.  It takes me to a different space than rock although I love rock n' roll, as well.  It's the beauty of music.  There's something here for everybody.
I wonder if God uses jazz music as punishment for those who've committed some sin.

to be enjoyed with a fancy glass of ______.  you fill in the blank

Too cool for school.
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 coloradojohn wrote:
Every one of the people who ever glanced at my collection and said, "Hey I realize I should know SOME of this jazz, but I don't know where to start..." saw me drop what I was doing and shove this CD into their hands...and within days, they were HOOKED.  Yup, it's that good.  Every single musician on it is in top improvisational form, too — which is far more complicated than it sounds!  DIAMOND!
 
Amen to that! (Swing it Shinjuku!)
Every one of the people who ever glanced at my collection and said, "Hey I realize I should know SOME of this jazz, but I don't know where to start..." saw me drop what I was doing and shove this CD into their hands...and within days, they were HOOKED.  Yup, it's that good.  Every single musician on it is in top improvisational form, too — which is far more complicated than it sounds!  DIAMOND!
 Cynaera wrote:
A lot of these older jazz pieces were very improvisational - they started out rough, but as the band found its groove and got "in the pocket," all manner of music emerged. Some was beautiful, some was dissonant, but it was all from the soul. Very experimental, explorative music.  I used to hate this stuff, but I guess as I've gotten older, I've learned to appreciate what went into creating this type of sound. Lots of risks, lots of mistakes, lots of laughter and anger - but mostly, lots of guts to put unpolished solos out there for public review.

I will never ridicule free-form jazz music again. It takes bravery to venture out where there are no boundaries. Miles Davis and his band did that, and they did it with style. {#Notworthy}
 
Well said!


A lot of these older jazz pieces were very improvisational - they started out rough, but as the band found its groove and got "in the pocket," all manner of music emerged. Some was beautiful, some was dissonant, but it was all from the soul. Very experimental, explorative music.  I used to hate this stuff, but I guess as I've gotten older, I've learned to appreciate what went into creating this type of sound. Lots of risks, lots of mistakes, lots of laughter and anger - but mostly, lots of guts to put unpolished solos out there for public review.

I will never ridicule free-form jazz music again. It takes bravery to venture out where there are no boundaries. Miles Davis and his band did that, and they did it with style. {#Notworthy}

Never heard a collection of songs closer to perfection than Kind Of Blue. Its such a pleasure to hear after not listening to it for a while. The genius is that much more apparent.


Ok, that's more than enough.  You can stop now - please?
 werner wrote:
I am over 50 now and still don`t like it.
Maybe a genetic defect?
 
Are you genetically defective for not liking Miles?  Perhaps, but you're definitely not alone.  Frankly, I think it's more like you're in too big a hurry to hear something familiar or relatively familiar.  Real jazz isn't always easy listening.

I love Miles; love Coltrane; love Brubeck; love the MJQ; love the Crusadaers; and love many, many others.  But I wouldn't put them in my playlist for a cocktail party — unless it's late and everybody's feeling verrrrrrrrry mellow..

 scrubbrush wrote:


{#Whisper} and maybe a little on the dull side
 
This coming from someone in a "sea of calm".
American music baby.
 Xeric wrote:
Wow. This is really, really long.
 

{#Whisper} and maybe a little on the dull side
The opening chords (daaaaaaaah dah) were the theme for the local late-night jazz radio broadcast.  Nice memories.


 Xeric wrote:
Wow. This is really, really long.
 
That's what she said.
Wow. This is really, really long.

... and I learned to play the sax because of Morphine, Dire Straits, and so on.
Am I alone out here??

I am over 50 now and still don`t like it.
Maybe a genetic defect?
 Businessgypsy wrote:


Great 50th anniversary remaster out on this.


 
Yet another remaster? I remember paying far too much for the 20-bit release which first fixed the tape speed problem. I think there have been several re-releases since.


I feel sooo cool.....
 jersey_birdman wrote:
More Miles is better...  Bumper stickers should be issued.....
  Nice obscure reference! (NY Union Man?)

love the piano in this
 ramblinlamb wrote:
It was pieces like this that inspired me to learn to play the saxophone!! Thank you Miles and crew!!!!!!

{#Notworthy}{#Notworthy}{#Notworthy}
 
Parker for me, but you can't deny Miles in having huge influence on 99% of todays jazz cats.
 Shaker wrote:
I know some people say they just 'don't get' jazz but I can't really understand that. It just is and is= fantastic!
 
I can't answer that, but I can tell you I feel the same way about funk, which gives my DH hives.
 Shaker wrote:
I know some people say they just 'don't get' jazz but I can't really understand that. It just is and is= fantastic!
 
This is what God plays when he has a coffee break.
More Miles is better...  Bumper stickers should be issued.....
 Businessgypsy wrote:
Monday morning Miles! Normally I am pretty tolerant of personal tastes and individual perspective, but if you don't grok Kind of Blue or at least appreciate the history and influence of this recording you might need a DNA test to determine your species.

Great 50th anniversary remaster out on this.


 

You know how the sound of fingernails on a blackboard drives some people nuts and others don't know what you are talking about? The sax in this piece is fingernails-on-a-chalkboard annoying to me. I guess my DNA must be a few strands short...
I know some people say they just 'don't get' jazz but I can't really understand that. It just is and is= fantastic!


It was pieces like this that inspired me to learn to play the saxophone!! Thank you Miles and crew!!!!!!

{#Notworthy}{#Notworthy}{#Notworthy}
Song just made my day thanks!

{#Crown}{#Whistle}
 bachbeet wrote:
"if you don't grok Kind of Blue or at least appreciate the history and influence of this recording you might need a DNA test to determine your species."

Perhaps the greatest jazz album ever.  Words like "perfect" have been used to describe it since its release.  And, an interviewer was talking with Fagen and Becker of Steely Dan about their jazz influence.  When asked their favorite jazz album (it may have been simply favorite album), they did not hesitate and said Kind of Blue.  Miles was a genius in the ranks of Mozart, Bach, and Beethoven.
 
Take it easy. I get it. You love jazz! Cool.
"if you don't grok Kind of Blue or at least appreciate the history and influence of this recording you might need a DNA test to determine your species."

Perhaps the greatest jazz album ever.  Words like "perfect" have been used to describe it since its release.  And, an interviewer was talking with Fagen and Becker of Steely Dan about their jazz influence.  When asked their favorite jazz album (it may have been simply favorite album), they did not hesitate and said Kind of Blue.  Miles was a genius in the ranks of Mozart, Bach, and Beethoven.
Monday morning Miles! Normally I am pretty tolerant of personal tastes and individual perspective, but if you don't grok Kind of Blue or at least appreciate the history and influence of this recording you might need a DNA test to determine your species.

Great 50th anniversary remaster out on this.


 mgoldman wrote:
For those of you who don't get it, please see the excellent write up here:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kind_of_Blue
(see full post below)
 
Thanks for posting this. {#Cheers}
For those of you who don't get it, please see the excellent write up here:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kind_of_Blue

Pay particular attention to the paragraph title "Impact on Music", which in part says: "The album's influence has reached beyond jazz, as musicians of such genres as rock and classical have been influenced by it, while critics have acknowledged it as one of the most influential albums of all time.<35> <36> Many improvisatory rock musicians of the 1960s referred to Kind of Blue for inspiration, along with other Davis albums, as well as Coltrane's modal records My Favorite Things (1961) and A Love Supreme (1965). Guitarist Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band said his soloing on songs such as "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed" "comes from Miles and Coltrane, and particularly Kind of Blue. I've listened to that album so many times that for the past couple of years, I haven't hardly listened to anything else."<37> Pink Floyd keyboardist Richard Wright has said that the chord progressions on the album influenced the structure of the introductory chords to the song "Breathe" on their landmark opus The Dark Side of the Moon (1973).<38> In his book Kind of Blue: The Making of a Miles Davis Masterpiece, writer Ashley Kahn wrote "still acknowledged as the height of hip, four decades after it was recorded, Kind of Blue is the premier album of its era, jazz or otherwise. Its vapory piano introduction is universally recognized".<39> Producer Quincy Jones, one of Davis' longtime friends, wrote: "That will always be my music, man. I play Kind of Blue every day-it's my orange juice. It still sounds like it was made yesterday".<39> Pianist Chick Corea, one of Miles' acolytes, was also struck by its majesty, later stating "It's one thing to just play a tune, or play a program of music, but it's another thing to practically create a new language of music, which is what Kind of Blue did."
Sorry, I just don't get this type of jazz. It sounds like everybody is reading from a different sheet of music. . .
 kylemichael wrote:
I'll admit I normally don't like "jazz". But this is good.
 
Me to.  I think slow exposure to good Jazz, such at this, has helped me develop a bit of a taste for it.

 markoirl wrote:

Jazz seems to have taken over RadioParadise, what a shame.


 
Agreed.

 crockydile wrote:
I like everything except the psychopathic sax solo...{#Eek}
 

Wow. You are trashing either Cannonball Adderley (alto sax) or John freakin' Coltrane (tenor), and that just does not compute.
{#Yes}
 On_The_Beach wrote:

You're so right. Miles was such a hack. What did he ever do for music? He certainly can't hold a candle to Rush or Bob Seger, who you rate "8"!  No doubt Miles spent many a tortured, sleepless night, cursing his fate; "Why, oh why, can't I have the talent of Bob Seger? Why, WHY, WHYYYYYYYYYYY?!".
 
LOL! good reply

Jazz seems to have taken over RadioParadise, what a shame.


 Aegean wrote:
No matter how hard you try to ignore it, hoping it will soon end, this musical cacaphony goes on and on and on and...  ad infinitum, it seems!  Every other feature film made in the 1970's had a soundtrack just like this...  which is why those movies will never achieve the "timelessness" of genre movies made before, or since.  I need to figure out a way to activate my MUTE button remotely, for those times when crap like this comes on!
 
You're so right. Miles was such a hack. What did he ever do for music? He certainly can't hold a candle to Rush or Bob Seger, who you rate "8"!  No doubt Miles spent many a tortured, sleepless night, cursing his fate; "Why, oh why, can't I have the talent of Bob Seger? Why, WHY, WHYYYYYYYYYYY?!".

miles. a master.
I like everything except the psychopathic sax solo...{#Eek}
Kind of Blue was released 50 years ago today. Sounds like it's holding up pretty well.

More on the album here: https://www.slate.com/id/2225336/

I'll admit I normally don't like "jazz". But this is good.
ah ..... opiates
This album is the standard by which I measure all Jazz.  A perfect 10!
 andrewmi wrote:
50th anniversary of this album's release today... and still timeless
 
So why are you measuring?{#Ask}


50th anniversary of this album's release today... and still timeless
 birdland wrote:
I know this whole band kicks ass, but I've gotta tell you, 'trane is like a freak here. What a brain, what a mind. How can you go there? He just 'thinks' his solo out through his mouth and hands at light speed.
Give me chills every time I hear him do that.
 
Nice to see someone else appreciates this stuff!  {#Cheers}
 ROSSinDETROIT wrote:
I don't listen to a lot of Jazz but this is just so swingy and cool it's irresistible.
 
This is one of the few jazz CDs I own.



absolutely awesome...


too funny....to much Jazz!  NOT TOO MUCH JAZZ...sillys!!


I know this whole band kicks ass, but I've gotta tell you, 'trane is like a freak here. What a brain, what a mind. How can you go there? He just 'thinks' his solo out through his mouth and hands at light speed.

Give me chills every time I hear him do that.


Is it over yet?
 Mugro wrote:
Radio Paradise is solely responsible for expanding my musical horizons to include jazz. I would never have appreciated such genius as what we are listening to right now if it weren't for BillG and RP. My life is that much richer for the experience. Thank you RP for helping me appreciate jazz!!!
 
this makes me happy Mugro glad to see you here {#Sunny}
smoove baby....{#Cowboy}
Freddie Freeloader is a cool fellla!
{#Clap}

this makes my day i love you RP

p.s. i am a supporting listener, hope you can be one too
Aaaaaahhhh. Just what I needed after Beck. 10
You are one awesome DJ, Bill!
Beck to Miles = totally groovy
He was always Miles Ahead of everybody!!

zzzzzzzz
I can concur that he's godlike and all that... but the sound of a wandering saxophone makes me crawl out of my skin!  Can't stand it for more than 30 secs or so, no matter how hard I try.    Must mess with my brainwaves or something.
no comment  -   10.

That's not Blue....That's just Kool!


MMMMMMM,mmmmmmmmmmmmm.  Damn.  That's good.