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Santana — Eternal Caravan/Waves Within
Album: Caravanserai
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6.6

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Total ratings: 801









Released: 1972
Length: 8:19
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(Instrumental)
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 brianp53 wrote:
Oh I love that shimmery sound when the organ comes in at the start of the main piece! I used to have the cover of the LP up on my wall and have loved this album since it came out. Masterful playing by the whole band.

You should check out The Promise of a Fisherman, off the Borboletta album.  (Next after Caravanserai.)  One of of the most beautiful and passionate tracks I've ever heard.  

My favourite album by this marvellous band.
Oh, what a marvellous piece! Remembering good times in the 70’s! 10
My favourite album by this brilliant man.
 ncollingridge wrote:
Always adored this album. Shocked at such a low rating. This is surely incredible music by any measure?
 True...

Oh I love that shimmery sound when the organ comes in at the start of the main piece! I used to have the cover of the LP up on my wall and have loved this album since it came out. Masterful playing by the whole band.
 jocelynsart wrote:
I find Santana's music quite varied, eclectic, and many times surprising, but always tend to be able to recognize that Santana undertone, that style. This is wonderful! I don't think I've ever heard this, and I'm 51.

 
The whole album is wonderful.
Always adored this album. Shocked at such a low rating. This is surely incredible music by any measure?
 lizardking wrote:

I agree too....only 5 are PF tracks?  ;-)
Actually, the biggest surprises to me are 1) no beatles (fine by me) and 2) #11 Echoes...a 22min jam is really almost a 9.5?  wow...and that's from a big PF fan!

LONG LIVE RP!



 
Bill plays too much Pink Floyd. 
And Robert Plant 
{#Notworthy}
I find Santana's music quite varied, eclectic, and many times surprising, but always tend to be able to recognize that Santana undertone, that style. This is wonderful! I don't think I've ever heard this, and I'm 51.
 lizardking wrote:
I agree too....only 5 are PF tracks?  ;-)
Actually, the biggest surprises to me are 1) no beatles (fine by me) and 2) #11 Echoes...a 22min jam is really almost a 9.5?  wow...and that's from a big PF fan!
LONG LIVE RP!
 
Beatles A Day in the Life is #6.
 Posted: Jun 02, 2017 13:57
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 Skydog wrote:hindsightseer wrote:

I agree. 6.4 is ridiculous!

 
I agree too....only 5 are PF tracks?  ;-)
Actually, the biggest surprises to me are 1) no beatles (fine by me) and 2) #11 Echoes...a 22min jam is really almost a 9.5?  wow...and that's from a big PF fan!

LONG LIVE RP!


Love it.  One of my favourite albums. {#Cool}
One of my 5 best albuns of all time.  The others are from Hendrix !
I saw Santana live when this album came out. I remember him spending a lot of time standing in front of his amps tuning and strumming and listening to feedback. Just like the start of this song … wasn't crowd pleasing. 
the second I heard the crickets in the segway I knew this song was coming on.  Long time favorite and still have it in vinyl in quad sound.  Cool
 
Sublime, ecstatic and powerfully moving, fits perfectly as the album should be listened to as a whole
had my most fantastic acid trip on this baby
One of my favorite albums of all time.  Never get tired of listening to it.  
awsome album  {#Roflol}
My favorite Santana album. Awesome, thanks Bill.
Santana never sounds like Santana. Eclectic. 
 BobbyCat wrote:
Probably one of the best albums ever made, I would say...
 
I Agree!  One of my top 5 albums of all time.
mmmmm..geeeetaaaaaarrr........




didn't know about this piece of art, thank You :)
{#Sleep} 
This sounds a heck of a lot like this, just not as good... https://www.radioparadise.com/rp_2.php?#name=songinfo&song_id=38879

interesting ,but not something I'd listen to on a rerular basis, just a bit too long.
Nice to hear once again. Had this LP with a record player that auto shut off when the side was done. This album set me to sleep many times.
 
Latin fusion jazz .... Bueno!

Great stuff!
Sorry, no thanks > PSD here I come but only for the 1st time!
Heard Caravan Serai as soon as RY and Manuel began prior to this...  powerful association with a past desert musical event, hearing this is as evocative as a scent can be in triggering memories. Love the ritards, pacing and flexibility in time...
Poacher wrote:

. . . driving as fast as you can away from it.
 
{#Lol} Too funny!

 IrieTom wrote:
This album is a perfect road-trip companion.  Throw it on, and the next thing you know you're 50 miles down the road. . . 
 
. . . driving as fast as you can away from it.
 kaybee wrote:
I find a lot of Santana's music all sounds the same to me, but I'm really liking these 2 pieces - I'm surprised I've never heard them before!
 
Because you are prob. young :)

This record was near of the Jazz rock fusion sounds like Return of forever ( C. Corea ), Mahavishnu Orchestra and Larry Corryel band and some more that I got to know and see in the middle of 70's :)


This album is a perfect road-trip companion.  Throw it on, and the next thing you know you're 50 miles down the road.
Fantastic! I have been testing these Big Theil speakers and I just finished listening to Welcome. Then this comes on. Hope the neighborhood likes it as much as I do! I saw Carlos Santana when he was playing with Buddy Miles ans it was fantastic. His records around this time had nearly religious significances to us. Or maybe it was the drugs.
 
Probably one of the best albums ever made, I would say...
 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Makes you strong!
 
I nominate this post for the Best RP Inside Joke Award.
Puppet Show & Spinal Tap...
I find a lot of Santana's music all sounds the same to me, but I'm really liking these 2 pieces - I'm surprised I've never heard them before!
 Jungle_Jim wrote:
One of the greatest albums of all time, bar none. No you didn't 'have to be there' (in the 70s) - it's eternal... man!
 
 
+1!

Santana was born in 1947, was 25 when this record was cut, only the 4th of his recording career. Incredible, youthful passion to All the Love of the Universe, Every Step of the Way, and the album as a whole. Borboletta should be on the playlist too. Flor de Canela/Promise of a Fisherman. and Practice What You Preach. Some people, hooked on Beck, Hendrix, or Vaughn, can't get into Santana's groove, but I can't get too much of it. 
Thanks, Bill, for playing this amazing guitarist regularly.  
Beautiful record! Yet another example of how much creativity was pouring out of musicians during that time. And yet this record didn't show up on many people's radar at that time. Thanks for remembering and including it, Bill!!!
Great track from a superb and under-appreciated album.
 EssexTex wrote:
Infernal caravan...

I'd  rather eat raw offal.
 
Makes you strong!
Oh, gosh, first year at college and this comes out, confusing millions of Santana fans who expected another Abraxis.

But it was one of the heralds of fusion. And unfortunately fusion turned out to be an evolutionary dead end music-wise, but for about a decade we got a lot of very good music. 
You don't see too many songs with this ratings distribution: 35 "2's" and 37 "9's"!

I don't think it's that good or that bad. 7

Back in '72, I would never have had the patience to listen to this...

Peepers!

Spring is coming 

...well-played segue through the last four tracks, bill...  {#Good-vibes}
Saw Santana at a university arena show around 1978, what an incredible incandescent performance.  I took my kids to see him last year, my 14 year old daughter practically had to be dragged.  She stood and screamed/snapped cell phone shots for two+ hours, was totally blown away.  Maybe there's hope for the younger generation.
Saw John McLaughlin at a college gig  in 1972 on his Birds of Fire tour. That show is responsible for at least 10% of my hearing loss.  A couple King Crimson concerts did additional damage.  But I do remember the shows, though   {#Laughing}

{#Music} I've loved this ever since it was first released way back when.
 mandolin wrote:
...very very very cool...
 
I must agree! {#Good-vibes}
...very very very cool...
Infernal caravan...

I'd  rather eat raw offal.

Wooo.
An other Santana track that I actually like.
8!


Recognized it within 30 seconds of the crickets! OooooH.....please play 'Love, Devotion and Surrender' as well!!


Santana and John Mc Laughlin Live:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC6EC9A0y2M


Man, everytime I hear this I tell myself I have to get this album. 
Spanish Caravan
 
Eternal Caravan
 
You KNOW Clam Caravan HAS to be next!  
 


Once the crickets FA{#Frustrated}DE, this is a great tune {#Music}{#Bananajam}


 lattalo wrote:

Sounds like someone needs a hug!

 

And find his happy place—perhaps with a Happy Meal!
''CheeseburgaCheesburgaCheesburga''
 I saw these guys in concert back in the early 70's. whenever i hear them it takes me back to that concert
Caravanserai!? Man, you gotta love RP!

Add Borboletta to your list of great jazz odyssey Santana albums.

 
RedGuitar wrote:

I also like "Welcome" and "Love, Devotion, & Surrender" in addition to this.  Yes, different from the first three, but fine nonetheless.

 


One of the greatest albums of all time, bar none. No you didn't 'have to be there' (in the 70s) - it's eternal... man!

 
nigelr wrote:
One of the greatest albums of all time, bar none.
Proviso, you had to be there!
(In the early-mid 70's that is.....)

 


 ronnychickenpanz wrote:
Not as commercial as the first three lp's but none the less a masterpiece. The music is so spiritual and just flows. Definitely one of my
favorite lp's of all time.
 
I also like "Welcome" and "Love, Devotion, & Surrender" in addition to this.  Yes, different from the first three, but fine nonetheless.

 Tony0600 wrote:
For me the best Santana album
 
Same here.  Most excellent, IMHO.

Very nice trio of songs.
 calypsus_1 wrote:

Govi - Andalusian Nights      ==>     The Doors - Spanish Caravan     ==>     Santana - Eternal Caravan/Waves Within

(sequence) ** 10 **

 

Yes  —  another example of why we all live at RP

Santana's crickets leading out of the Doors Spanish Caravan. Nice!
These 70s Santana albums are an important place jazz went in the 1970s. They are a direct follow on from a lot of great 60s jazz like Pharaoh Sanders, Alice Coltrane, Miles Davis. They bring super musicianship together with a spiritual and intellectual journey. It's not 'world music', but they melt so many different cultures and musics into one.

Caravanserai is a band standing at the top of a musical and spiritual mountain.


as much as i like santana, this does seem a bit over indulgent, but everyone has a right to say "hey look at me sometimes" {#Mrgreen} at least C/S has the chops to get us through it without too much damage to our collective psyche's a solid 6

Govi - Andalusian Nights      ==>     The Doors - Spanish Caravan     ==>     Santana - Eternal Caravan/Waves Within

(sequence) ** 10 **



Not as commercial as the first three lp's but none the less a masterpiece. The music is so spiritual and just flows. Definitely one of my
favorite lp's of all time.
One of the greatest albums of all time, bar none.
Proviso, you had to be there!
(In the early-mid 70's that is.....)

 OCDHG wrote:
This is total crap. Self indulgent wanking.
Based on that logic, Brittany Spears and Hannah Montana are musical greats too.
 
Sounds like someone needs a hug!

Miles Davis quality to this one.
 OCDHG wrote:
This is total crap. Self indulgent wanking.
 
A bit like making pointless posts to fora, eh? ;-|
This number bores me numb, but that's just personal taste - others will love it to bits. Maybe it is "self-indulgent", but then so is most, if not all, popular music - few musicians go into the trade out of some selfless urge to bring music to the masses, rather they usually make music to express themselves, and if the public like it then so much the better and they become rich. I'm hard-pushed to think of an artiste/band that couldn't be called "self-indulgent". There's always the mute button, mate. Shame there are no killfiles, mind.


 jjak wrote:
Simply brilliant!! Groove, sound, experience, everything you need...to travel!

 
Indeed! Always one of my faves since its initial release all those years ago.

This is total crap. Self indulgent wanking. mgkiwi wrote:
Now now girls. At the end of the day - his bank account, record sales, sold out gigs speaks volumes. The man is a f***** musical great, FACT. By the way, I can't play the guitar - is that why he sold awesome to me!
Based on that logic, Brittany Spears and Hannah Montana are musical greats too.
mfassett wrote:
Nevermind that I'm a musician, I must not know anything about music then. :ask: I find his guitar playing trite and repetitive. He has one tone, and though it's a GOOD tone... come on. Variety is nice... even a little. His solos have a formula to them IMHO, I just don't feel like he has progressed much from when he WAS innovative in, what, 1970? Sorry, no offense...
Now now girls. At the end of the day - his bank account, record sales, sold out gigs speaks volumes. The man is a f***** musical great, FACT. By the way, I can't play the guitar - is that why he sold awesome to me!
Simply brilliant!! Groove, sound, experience, everything you need...to travel!
This is eternal hell :devil_pimp:
o2bnsv wrote:
It's one thing not to like his music, but if you deny the fact that he is a brilliant guitar player, you obviously know nothing about music. Your are right about him selling out with that drivel with everlast and DM, though.
Nevermind that I'm a musician, I must not know anything about music then. :ask: I find his guitar playing trite and repetitive. He has one tone, and though it's a GOOD tone... come on. Variety is nice... even a little. His solos have a formula to them IMHO, I just don't feel like he has progressed much from when he WAS innovative in, what, 1970? Sorry, no offense...
wish he'd change the tone on his guitar once in a while............. always sounds the same
skdenfeld wrote:
For some reason, I keep expecting Miles Davis to bust in on trumpet.
Santana made this when they were listening to a ton of late 60's/early 70's Miles. The album in its entirety is pretty good, but it was essentially commercial suicide for Carlos. This album and the poor response is partly the reason we have Michelle Branch and Nickelback dude cameos on $antana albums now.
Does anyone remember a band called Gypsy? I was reminded of them today while I listened to this. I've always enjoyed Santana. I grew up in New Mexico - appreciation (if not outright adoration) for Santana was ... natural.
Surprised I never heard this before. Guess I am missing this album.(note to self, quickly put on Christmas list)
So diffrent, I don't have a single album of them, will check it out :)
For me the best Santana album
Cool , this is weird, I like this! :D
Blechh
okee dokee.... when does this end? Can only take so much of the wandering. Great guitar notwithstanding.
Artists have good and bad works. This one is neither - it is simply indulgent.
JokesandJokesandJokes wrote:
Man, I thought Santana sucked when he was doing songs with Everlast and Dave Matthews, but I guess he always sucked!!!
It's one thing not to like his music, but if you deny the fact that he is a brilliant guitar player, you obviously know nothing about music. Your are right about him selling out with that drivel with everlast and DM, though.
really like this. hints of jazz/fusion going on here and there.
RedGuitar wrote:
I really like this CD and Borboletta also.
Yes yes yes!!!
For some reason, I keep expecting Miles Davis to bust in on trumpet.
One of Santana's most brilliant, soulful and non commercial albums. Brings back fond memories of a girl I used to date and this album put us in a liplock and more. Sorry you naysayers don't get it. Light the candles and incense. Thanks Bill.
I reckon this is a brilliant composition an' a wonder filled album all the way! :music: Lookin' at the ratin's, the waves within' eitha brake for ya or they're flat calm an' you go home with a unused waxed board full of disapointment!
I love most of the Santana music I have heard but this one is not very good. It gets a little better as it goes but it takes way too long to get going. :no: :no:
I really like this CD and Borboletta also.
Thsi is almost as bad as it gets. A solid 2.
I HAVE MOST ALL SANTANA ALBUMS--AWSOME SONG WILL BE BUYING SOON
I -thought- I heard Santana way from the other room. I was right!
This is an outstanding album esp. listened to all the way through :D Too bad so many don't appreciate it. It's tops for road trippin' Thanks Bill :war:
drH wrote:
Very Bitches Brew-ish.
But without the value. No creative improv or stream-of-consciousness here. Just tedium.
JokesandJokesandJokes wrote:
Man, I thought Santana sucked when he was doing songs with Everlast and Dave Matthews, but I guess he always sucked!!!
This isn't nearly as bad as the standard three Santana chords. It almost ascends beyond the mediocre!
Man, I thought Santana sucked when he was doing songs with Everlast and Dave Matthews, but I guess he always sucked!!!
DownHomeGirl wrote:
Soul-sucking wank-fest.
No, please, don't pull any punches. Tell us what you really think :lol: Bit terse, for one who is usually pretty eloquent in the forums - strangely I expected better of you (and no, that doesn't mean I expect you to like the music, just to be rather more open-minded and civil in your criticism of it). :rolleyes:
Soul-sucking wank-fest.
Shimmer wrote:
Yikes. Your lame ad hominem attack notwithstanding, this song is still a piece of formless goo. The length doesn't have much to do with it. I like "atmospheric" music as much as the next guy, but the improvised instrumental nature of this one is just boring. I say play "Shine on You Crazy Diamond" or the good part of Keith Jarrett's "Koln Concert" or Pat Metheny's "As Falls Witchita Falls" or a zilliion other good instrumentals if you want enjoyable meandering music.
Agreed. I agree with Steve's sentiments completely, but the inflammatory tone of your (Steve) comments renders your "peace out" hypocritical. It's a shame we can't all see the beauty in this piece but then millions drive SUVs and live in subdivisions. Ahh, the Humanity! C.