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The Church — Destination
Album: Starfish
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Released: 1988
Length: 5:46
Plays (last 30 days): 2
Our instruments have no way of measuring this feeling
Can never cut below the floor, or penetrate the ceiling.
In the space between our houses, some bones have been discovered,
But our procession lurches on, as if we had recovered.

Draconian winter unforetold.
One solar day, suddenly you're old.
Your little envelope just makes me cold,
Makes destination start to unfold.

Our documents are useless, or forged beyond believing.
Page forty-seven is unsigned, I need it by this evening.
In the space between our cities, a storm is slowly forming.
Something eating up our days, I feel it every morning.
Destination, destination.

It's not a religion, it's just a technique.
It's just a way of making you speak.
Distance and speed have left us too weak,
And destination looks kind of bleak.

Our elements are burned out, our beasts have been mistreated.
I tell you it's the only way we'll get this road completed.
In the space between our bodies, the air has grown small fingers.
Just one caress, you're powerless, like all those clapped-out swingers.
Destination, destination.
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Reminds me a bit of Little River Band and Men at Work.
One of the greatest records of the 80s.
Good song but lead singers voice is a bit dreary
This song is the intro to a magnificent journey known as Starfish. It fits perfectly.
20 seconds into the song and I am already in love! Live long RP.
Bill, every time I hear this song I notice a skip in it. It occurs during one of the "destination" repeats, I think.

Now, I don't listen under the best conditions, and then maybe I thought it was some sort of "effect" in the song, but I'm listening to a version posted on youtube and I don't hear the skip.

Is this possible? No one else has mentioned it.
Was just getting tickets to see this band at the Fillmore on September 14th.
8 > 9
 Ptijoc wrote:
I'm not fond of "The Church", but i must recognize that this song is pretty good. Again!

 
I have the opposite reaction: really like The Church but not this song. Too dreary and plodding. 
  helgigermany wrote:
Sounds like a mix between Coldplay and Depeche Mode!!

 
Interesting... true. New Order comes to mind, too. But I guess everyone sounds a bit like a mix between two someone-elses.
I'm not fond of "The Church", but i must recognize that this song is pretty good. Again!
I agree, a mix between Echo and the Bunymen and The Scars (from the famous album Author! Author!) indeed.
Sounds like a mix between Coldplay and Depeche Mode!!
Perfect opening track. Love The Church!
Heard the bass line and thought "How Long Has This Been Going On..."
Wake me when it's over😴
Nice to hear something besides "Reptile" & "Milky Way" off this album!
Haunting.  I have the miserable, sickly feeling that I had in high school, around the time I would hear these guys.  It was refuge and commiseration then, and I can't stop listening now.  Cuz it's that good.
This was such a good CD.... nice to hear something other than Reptile or Milky Way!!
 The_Walrus wrote:
Have to say I have hated every "The Church" song I have ever heard so it's PSD for me in future. This one sounds like the bastard offspring of Pink Floyd and David Bowie that was put in an asylum for the criminally pretentious. Just saying.......

 

eh he,,, hehe,,,he said pretentious
 The_Walrus wrote:
Have to say I have hated every "The Church" song I have ever heard so it's PSD for me in future. This one sounds like the bastard offspring of Pink Floyd and David Bowie that was put in an asylum for the criminally pretentious. Just saying.......

 

That's a bad thing? {#Cheers}
Have to say I have hated every "The Church" song I have ever heard so it's PSD for me in future. This one sounds like the bastard offspring of Pink Floyd and David Bowie that was put in an asylum for the criminally pretentious. Just saying.......
 Stingray wrote:
"Notte goot...!"

said my Italian girlfriend!



 
Night good?

The people hating on this song make me wonder what they find better.  Such a great tune off a fantastic album.
This is why I love Radio Paradise... Johnny Cash's "Folsom Prison Blues" followed by this.  Just awesome.
classic album.  {#Cowboy}

day of the dead down in mexico
you ever been on a holiday
you ever thought that you been here before
you ever did in a desperate way
on the beach stands a donkey that is waiting for you
a hee haw stamping his hoof
a fine blue day as dreamed by the boys
nodding up on the roof

and the meeting is held in the darkness
and in the darkness everyone's blind
the muriel masters stand there in velvet
and i know you're falling behind

drink in a bar down in the motel
i get involved with a prisoner
she's got a skull like a seraphim
i figure she is a messenger
she's at the heart of the festival
she's got the hands of a picador
she asks the spirits for a romance
she gets a ghost for a paramour

and the wedding is held in the darkness
cause in the darkness the guests are all blind
graveyards and mountains wrapped up in satin
and i know you're falling behind

day of the dead down in mexico
we read a book on the alamo
we filled the tank up with texaco
we buy a trinket for curio
we walk the stuff through the marketplace
dripping smoke, dollars, and aftershave
i got the mind of an astronaut
emerging from the shell unscathed
climbing out of hell unchanged

but then the deal is dealt in the darkness
and in the darkness the dealers are blind
jokers and aces cruising in black fur
i know you're falling behind


 lily34 wrote:

wow. you're right!
 
and the problem with that?  Still a very cool song.
 ddog wrote:
I like The Church but this sounds like Midnight Oil in slow motion..
 
wow. you're right!
The Church had a habit of starting a lot of their albums with slow-mid tempo songs like this. Kind of eases you. Like the song, love the album.
I like The Church but this sounds like Midnight Oil in slow motion..
Good band. Great album.
Well, I have to disagree...I like this.
This song is a drag
 horstman wrote:
Like a lot of albums back in the day, this is collection of songs that is to be taken in its entirety, not as individual songs. The album is a very good, expressive.

But I think this song is very strong and has a great upward progression towards its end. They were a phenomenal band of the 80s sound, very intellectual. One of my faves.
 
I politely disagree. I can think of very few albums from the 1980s that should be listened to as a collection of songs. But then I spent the 80s making mix-tapes, so maybe it's just me. 
the task of   - being human
how many time of him (it) (whom) (he, she,...) (human)  is worth in money currency 4 freedom?
so what !!!! - enjoy (I - human) do
Great album. Not one of my favorite tracks.
 ckcotton wrote:
MUCH better songs on this album...
  Like a lot of albums back in the day, this is collection of songs that is to be taken in its entirety, not as individual songs. The album is a very good, expressive.

But I think this song is very strong and has a great upward progression towards its end. They were a phenomenal band of the 80s sound, very intellectual. One of my faves.


MUCH better songs on this album...
"Notte goot...!"

said my Italian girlfriend!


 stevenv58 wrote:
Not a great pick me up for the morning, that’s for sure.....sounds like their dying........
 
F#cking A, man!

They sound so happy to sing...
I keep hearing the old Windows shut down sound in here...
 jadewahoo wrote:
What a fucking frigging brilliant song!
 
Had to edit your comment. Common decency dictates that you watch your language around the Church. {#Naughty}
Still boring after all these years...
 spigolli wrote:
... this church actually deserves to be torched
 
church fire

Not a great pick me up for the morning, that’s for sure.....sounds like their dying........
They even sound bored....like me
One of the best new albums this year was from The Church - "Untitled #23" Please play some here! Crank the "Deadman's Hand" it rocks!
"We lose half the congregation every time American Idol starts up". Kenneth Parcell
{#Cowboy}


 healyf52 wrote:
kind of sound like 'Midnight Oil' on xanax..
 
Nice.  Both are from Oz after all.
yes!  thanks.  great song, album, and band.  just saw yesterday that they will be playing at irving plaza in nyc this summer.

"it's not a religion, it's just a technique"
... this church actually deserves to be torched

The build up at the beginning sounds like that song by the Divinyls. Every time I hear this I start expecting the line "I touch myself..."


 mandolin wrote:
...god i love this song...
 
  ...and this album..

I lost track of the Church after about Gold Afternoon Fix, but found out several years ago that they had gone on releasing albums, and I acquired most of them, many of which are worth hearing.  This and Heyday are still my favorites...nostalgia, I guess.

Thanks, Bill.

 lophrequa wrote:
i just figured out why i love The Church: Duran Duran Pink Floyd ... anyone with me here?
 

...sort of - i'd say there are elements of new wave and psychedelic/progressive fused, yes...

Nice.


What a fucking brilliant song!
Now why the heck didn't I buy this album when it was new?

8

{#Ask}  {#Doh}

Sexy voice, love The Church!
i just figured out why i love The Church: Duran Duran Pink Floyd ... anyone with me here?
I really dig this groove. No, really.
AphidA wrote:
How can this (https://www.radioparadise.com/content.php?name=songinfo&song_id=39315) be even remotely on par with Destination? I don't trust the listeners here .... anymore (edit)
How can I trust someone with a pseudonym that represent the common plant louse?
Thank you for playing this Bill.
prickelpit96 wrote:
*sigh* *leanback* :daisy:
:yes:
AphidA wrote:
How can this (https://www.radioparadise.com/content.php?name=songinfo&song_id=39315) be even remotely on par with Destination? I don't trust the listeners here.
Never place stock in popularity, and look at the curve, not the mean average. Trust your own ear. What you like, you like! :devil_pimp:
How can this (https://www.radioparadise.com/content.php?name=songinfo&song_id=39315) be even remotely on par with Destination? I don't trust the listeners here .... anymore (edit)
prickelpit96 wrote:
*sigh* *leanback* :daisy:
EXACTLY. This song is a religious experience.
Fabulous playlist tonight! :music:
"Starfish" was the hallmark CD of my early 20's. I must have played it 1,000 times. For every dark and chilly North Florida autumn evening in 1988 it seems like there was a Church song to go along with it. A few years back my brother was in ICU, it was 30 degrees outside, and I was talking with my brothers nurses at a party around a firepit in an old highschool friends backyard. The discussion was really bleak regarding my brothers outlook when another old friend (with whom I had been estranged from for quite some time) with his guitar broke out of his normal repertoire of Jimmy Buffet and The Eagles and began playing "Under the Milky Way" knowing that it was my favorite song. He butchered the lyrics a bit but the intent really touched me. Lifted my spirits right away and reminded me instantly of how much I've always loved The Church. One of those cathartic "Starfish moments" I guess.
wow a blast from the past- I actually have this on vinyl but haven't had a working turntable for a looooong time. Guess I'll have to buy the CD :sunny: This brings my total spent on new CDs since I hooked up with RP through the recommendation of a fellow Porcupine Tree addict about a month ago to something in the ballpark of 300 USD LOL
prickelpit96 wrote:
*sigh* *leanback* :daisy:
... and enjoying! :bounce: Our instruments have no way of measuring this feeling Can never cut below the floor, or penetrate the ceiling. In the space between our houses, some bones have been discovered, But our procession lurches on, as if we had recovered. Draconian winter unforetold. One solar day, suddenly youre old. Your little envelope just makes me cold, Makes destination start to unfold. Our documents are useless, or forged beyond believing. Page forty-seven is unsigned, I need it by this evening. In the space between our cities, a storm is slowly forming. Something eating up our days, I feel it every morning. Destination, destination. Its not a religion, its just a technique. Its just a way of making you speak. Distance and speed have left us too weak, And destination looks kind of bleak. Our elements are burned out, our beasts have been mistreated. I tell you its the only way well get this road completed. In the space between our bodies, the air has grown small fingers. Just one caress, youre powerless, like all those clapped-out swingers. Destination, destination.
*sigh* *leanback* :daisy:
...god i love this song...
Gawd yes!
And when they grow up they want to be Television?
kind of sound like 'Midnight Oil' on xanax..
Too 80s. 2.
I was wishing that "Crazy" by Pylon would come after this. I guess I should try and upload it.
on my third listen or so, i'd have to say they sound very bored while singing this song..
horstman wrote:
I LOVE THE CHURCH EVEN IF I DON'T LIKE GOING TO CHURCH? :think:
celadonstone wrote:
I like the Cult but I haven't ever joined a Cult. I like the Clash but I am not that noisy. :wink:
I like the Byrds and I haven't flipped anyone the bird today. It's only 4am but that's still pretty good for me.
keith_mineo wrote:
Super great album, "Starfish" is a standout from this period. I played that tape till it broke. Then I made a Frankenstein tape from it with duct tape and another cassette that I didn't like anymore. It actually played, though slightly warped. Thanks for the memories RP, I should get the cd. RP: let's here more from this one. How about "Reptile"
How about something more unique like "The Unguarded Moment" from Of Skins and Heart?
horstman wrote:
I LOVE THE CHURCH EVEN IF I DON'T LIKE GOING TO CHURCH? :think:
I like the Cult but I haven't ever joined a Cult. I like the Clash but I am not that noisy. :wink:
I think this is the first time I have heard a song by the church in a long time that i didn't know..
I'll agree with many here. A really fine album. Kind of like a lot of REM albums where the individual songs don't sound as good on their own as they do on the album. A case of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts. When I hear this song I always think of a friend's ex-wife. She really didn't have the same musical taste as either of us. I remember putting the CD on and she made a crack about the music. Just then Kilbey started singing and the first few notes are a little sour. I could kind of understand why she didn't get it. Nonetheless, I still like it.
Super great album, "Starfish" is a standout from this period. I played that tape till it broke. Then I made a Frankenstein tape from it with duct tape and another cassette that I didn't like anymore. It actually played, though slightly warped. Thanks for the memories RP, I should get the cd. RP: let's here more from this one. How about "Reptile"
dreamy, lyrical, melodic, surprising, pleasant, deep. Now, if they could do it more consistently.
I LOVE THE CHURCH EVEN IF I DON'T LIKE GOING TO CHURCH? :think:
here it comes.....that brilliant guitar, dreamy lyrics/voice, the church is simply divine, amen.
I'm soooo depressed...ah..I feel much better now.
:drunk: :rolleyes: :drummer: I cant stop my feet¡¡¡¡¡
jed2667 wrote:
My sentiments exactly! I was 16 when I first heard this album. I had been listening to stuff like Metallica and AC/DC. Stuff my friends were listening to when another friend offered me his walkman with a 90 min tape and told to keep both for as long as I wanted. I had no clue what was on the tape but I said sure, whatever. Side A had The Smiths, Strange Ways Here We Come and Side B was The Church, Starfish. These two albums changed my life. I had never heard anything like what I heard there on that tape. The Smiths blew me away with Morrissey's melancholy lyrics and Johnny Marr's guitar. The whole mood of the album Starfish kept me entranced from beginning to end. From there I moved into listening to more alternative bands like the Cure and The Ocean Blue but ultimately it opened my eyes up to the exploration of new and different music which is why I love radioparadise so much.
absolutely spot on, mate ! 'strangeways ...' & 'starffish' are 2 absolute rock-classics. reminds me of my last high school years. i put on 'strangeways ...' quite often (i got the cd now). but my starfish-lp has a nasty scratch :-(
drH wrote:
Wrong you are! Gold Afernoon Fix is well-known to be one of their weakest albums........
Well-known? CAUTION, STRONG OPINION AHEAD: Gold Afternoon Fix is a terrific album if your mind isn't predisposed to what a bunch of critics say. Regardless of what anyone says, (even the band members) there are some good to great songs, including Pharoah, Metropolis, Terra Nova Cain, Russian Autumn Hearts, Essense, Fading Away and Laughing. They are all songs I liked at it's release and still like today. But, I suppose this opinion must be wrong. ;)
AphidA wrote:
I agree that early Church was incredible and possible their best. But, c'mon, Starfish was an incredible album. I think it was the next one that rapidly declined (forget the name - a few tracks were decent and 'Russian Autumn Heart' is cycling in the LRC now).
Gold Afternoon Fix. And it seems I'm the only Church fan who actually likes that album. :sad:
Either Remote Luxury or Heydey was their best album in my opinion.
Both great albums, and I think they had a solid string of albums from "Blurred Crusade" on that built up, each improving upon the other, to Starfish -- after which they started sliding down the other side of the mountain. "Electric" and "In Your Eyes" are IMO the two most criminally overlooked songs in the Church catalog.
Arbuckle wrote:
Bocephus is a genius. Seance is the best. They were spent by Starfish. Who cares what they've done in the 90's. The early 80's was their moment. Now they are gone even if they are not gone.
I agree that early Church was incredible and possible their best. But, c'mon, Starfish was an incredible album. I think it was the next one that rapidly declined (forget the name - a few tracks were decent and 'Russian Autumn Heart' is cycling in the LRC now). Either Remote Luxury or Heydey was their best album in my opinion.
Bocephus wrote:
all their best stuff was earlier than this IMO...Check out Seance for my fave Church stuff.
Bocephus is a genius. Seance is the best. They were spent by Starfish. Who cares what they've done in the 90's. The early 80's was their moment. Now they are gone even if they are not gone.
Ahhh!!! Vivid memories of a 7 week architectural studio in the Tuscany region of Italy! Many a late night, early morning spent listening to Starfish in the background. Wonderful album.
(8?» wrote:
Not other than wishing I was listening to them instead. ;)
all their best stuff was earlier than this IMO...Check out Seance for my fave Church stuff.
It's not a religion; it's just a technique...
I find The Church to be complex without being complicated and pretentious. Destination, slowly moving along it seems, jams it to the floor about half way through, a musical accompaniment to the message. Beautifully wrought!
dsrtfalcon wrote:
I love and will always love this album. . .and I suddenly feel 12 years younger...really isn't it all about how the music makes you feel?
My sentiments exactly! I was 16 when I first heard this album. I had been listening to stuff like Metallica and AC/DC. Stuff my friends were listening to when another friend offered me his walkman with a 90 min tape and told to keep both for as long as I wanted. I had no clue what was on the tape but I said sure, whatever. Side A had The Smiths, Strange Ways Here We Come and Side B was The Church, Starfish. These two albums changed my life. I had never heard anything like what I heard there on that tape. The Smiths blew me away with Morrissey's melancholy lyrics and Johnny Marr's guitar. The whole mood of the album Starfish kept me entranced from beginning to end. From there I moved into listening to more alternative bands like the Cure and The Ocean Blue but ultimately it opened my eyes up to the exploration of new and different music which is why I love radioparadise so much.
I was a Church fan, too. Saw 'em in Madison in a very small venue (nice). Lost track of them after Starfish, but I still play that LP on the ol' turntable.
drH wrote:
Wrong you are! Gold Afernoon Fix is well-known to be one of their weakest albums (if not the weakest), as it was an attempt at a commercially viable follow-up to Starfish ---- not the right path for the band. The next album, 1992's Priest = Aura, is without question their best work. Since then they have recorded a number of very good albums, including Magician Among the Spirits, Hologram of Baal, After Everything Now This.
Different strokes for different folks I guess. I found Priest = Aura to be insufferable. I liked Sometime Anywhere enough to buy it, but it's the last Church album I bought. I've listened to snippets from subseuqent releases and nothing sounded particularly inspired. "Starfish" obviously turned them sharply in a different direction and the path they headed down afterward just isn't my cup of tea.
Starfish was the beginning of "commercial" for the Church. If you want the best, go back to the Blurred Crusade, Remote Luxury or Seance. That is to the Church as Toys in the Attic, Get Your Wings and Rocks was to Aerosmith until they got commercial.
drH wrote:
The next album, 1992's Priest = Aura, is without question their best work.
I'll triple that. Saw 'em on the Starfish tour.
Possibly the best song from a truly remarkable album. It establishes the mood for the disc.
One of my favorite Church songs.....this did not make it to their Best Of disk.
IndyDoug wrote:
Not quite The Cure, not quite Echo and the Bunnymen...The Church have their own unique signature sound. Something you would never hear on ClearChannel radio stations. A great band that I was honored to have listened to in my college-years.
Good analogy. I've always thought of them as The Cure meets Pink Floyd (in Australia).
I love and will always love this album. . .and I suddenly feel 12 years younger...really isn't it all about how the music makes you feel?
Not quite The Cure, not quite Echo and the Bunnymen...The Church have their own unique signature sound. Something you would never hear on ClearChannel radio stations. A great band that I was honored to have listened to in my college-years.
DBCinCA wrote:
"It's not a religion, it's just a tv." Yeah, boys!
"It's not a religion, it's just a technique"
drH wrote:
Wrong you are! Gold Afernoon Fix is well-known to be one of their weakest albums (if not the weakest), as it was an attempt at a commercially viable follow-up to Starfish ---- not the right path for the band. The next album, 1992's Priest = Aura, is without question their best work. Since then they have recorded a number of very good albums, including Magician Among the Spirits, Hologram of Baal, After Everything Now This. There are also several outstanding solo projects by Kilbey and Willson-Piper. The Chuch is definitely a "cult band"... And it's a cult I'm damn proud to be a member of!
Damn straight!!
drover wrote:
Excellent song off of one of the greatest albums of the 80's. Definitely the pinnicle of their career, though the follow-up Gold Afternoon Fix was pretty damn good too. But it's all downhill from there...
Wrong you are! Gold Afernoon Fix is well-known to be one of their weakest albums (if not the weakest), as it was an attempt at a commercially viable follow-up to Starfish ---- not the right path for the band. The next album, 1992's Priest = Aura, is without question their best work. Since then they have recorded a number of very good albums, including Magician Among the Spirits, Hologram of Baal, After Everything Now This. There are also several outstanding solo projects by Kilbey and Willson-Piper. The Chuch is definitely a "cult band"... And it's a cult I'm damn proud to be a member of!
Interesting to compare this to earlier work...this sounds a lot more like Steve Kilbey's solo stuff (Un/Earthed) than Church. Since I like both, not a bad thing...just an observation. :) Good tune.
Beautiful! The Church's work may be a bit uneven --- but when they're on, there is no better guitar band in the world! Naysayers" you don't know what you're missing.
Sure, it's really easy to malign The Church as drab or derivative, but I really love them. This album and their next one are just great. I will always listen to them.
<-X <-X <-X Oh my, this is really drab!
MsJudi wrote:
I find too many attempts by groups to be dark and brooding just so much more showy pretention: "Look how complex and spooky we can be!" Feh.
I would agree, except that this isn't complex, spooky or brooding. Just kind of mildly moody, like a snit set to what might become music eventually. Double Feh.
I find too many attempts by groups to be dark and brooding just so much more showy pretention: \"Look how complex and spooky we can be!\" Feh.
My gawd :frustrated: I thought I left this dreck and every other 80\'s band like them behind with those \'other kids\' that lived in the room on \'other side\' of the dorm floor.....
The Church is awesome. Great to hear this tune! Play more!