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Talking Heads — Crosseyed And Painless
Album: Remain In Light
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Released: 1980
Length: 4:36
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Lost my shape
Trying to act casual
Can't stop
I might end up in the hospital
Changing my shape
I feel like an accident
They're back
To explain their experience

Isn't it weird?
Looks too obscure to me
Wasting away
That was their policy

I'm ready to leave
I push the fact in front of me
Facts lost
Yeah, facts are never what they seem to be
Nothing there
No information left of any kind
L-l-lifting my head
L-l-looking for the danger signs

There was a line
There was a formula
Sharp as a knife
Facts cut a hole in us
There was a line
There was a formula
Sharp as a knife
Facts cut a hole in us

I'm still waiting, I-I-I'm still waiting
I'm still waiting, I-I-I'm still waiting
I'm still waiting, I-I-I'm still waiting
I'm still waiting, I-I-I'm still waiting

The feeling returns
Whenever we close our eyes
Lifting my head
Looking around inside

The island of doubt
It's like the taste of medicine
Working by hindsight
Got the message from the oxygen
M-m-making a list
Find the cost of opportunity
Doing it right
Facts are useful in emergencies

The feeling returns
Whenever we close our eyes
Lifting my head
Looking around inside

Facts are simple and facts are straight
Facts are lazy and facts are late
Facts all come with points of view
Facts don't do what I want them to
Facts just twist the truth around
Facts are living turned inside out
Facts are getting the best of them
Facts are nothing on the face of things

I'm still waiting, I-I-I'm still waiting
I'm still waiting, I-I-I'm still waiting
I'm still waiting, I-I-I'm still waiting
I'm still waiting, I-I-I'm still waiting
I'm still waiting, I-I-I'm still waiting
I'm still waiting, I-I-I'm still waiting
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Dammit..getting  pulled over...driving too goddammit fast!
Posted 5 months ago by neotrogg    [ Reply ]
ICONIC!
Posted 7 months ago by eileenomurphy    [ Reply ]
From 8 to 9. This keeps getting better. So unique. The bass and beat.
Posted 11 months ago by keenevision    [ Reply ]
Light years ahead of its time.
Posted 11 months ago by tomperth1    [ Reply ]
I was just leaving work when this froze me in my tracks. Nuts
Posted 1 year ago by folkes.tom    [ Reply ]
Always thought it was "the island of DUMB, it's like the taste of medicine." Doubt works too but still like dumb more! 
Posted 1 year ago by aspicer    [ Reply ]
Love this song, but with so much music out there, why do I hear it every day? This is the third day in a row, I think.

Stiiiiiilllllll waiting for other Head songs to play.
Posted 1 year ago by michaelmuller    [ Reply ]
 SpaceCase wrote:
I remember when Phish blew up a 20 minute version of this on New Years 2000 down in Florida....what an adventure that was!
 
Indeed it was! What a weekend.
Posted 1 year ago by VermontBread    [ Reply ]
Phish regularly covers this and jams it out extensively.  Worth a listen...
Posted 1 year ago by SurfDoc    [ Reply ]
 Stephen_Phillips wrote:

My favourite (English UK spelling) one too with David Byrne and TH at the top of their game - pity it all went downhill after this album.

 
David Byrne recently played San Francisco with a brilliant band and an incredible song selection - including many Talking Heads songs. The show was one of the best I'd seen in a few years.
Posted 2 years ago by poetdancer    [ Reply ]
Byrne is the funkiest white guy ever (until Beck!).
Posted 2 years ago by murdog    [ Reply ]
 8 -> 7   from me
Posted 2 years ago by Tomasni    [ Reply ]
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ND_m99OKPw0/Uo_14Ll-DiI/AAAAAAAAAU4/3rxRPKqLsdw/s1600/tumblr_mwohf6ux2c1spn6xyo1_500.jpg
Tina showin' the boys how it's done.
Posted 2 years ago by On_The_Beach    [ Reply ]
 spiritfla wrote:
My favorite Talking Heads{#Notworthy} album!!

 
My favourite (English UK spelling) one too with David Byrne and TH at the top of their game - pity it all went downhill after this album.
Posted 3 years ago by Stephen_Phillips    [ Reply ]
My favorite Talking Heads{#Notworthy} album!!
Posted 3 years ago by spiritfla    [ Reply ]
 kcar wrote:

Great footage—thanks! Was this performance used in "The Name of This Band is The Talking Heads"? That album's largely forgotten these days. 

I saw Belew at Carnegie-Mellon University around '84 with one of Elvis Presley's drummers (who had his own eager audience of fans/questioners about Elvis at the end of the show). Loud and a lot of fun. 

 
Belew is now in a quartet with Stewart Copeland!
Posted 3 years ago by Steely_D    [ Reply ]
Facts are USEFUL in Emergencies! Still waiting...he ha ha...still waiting...the feeling returns whenever we close our eyes...still waiting!
Posted 3 years ago by coloradojohn    [ Reply ]


                            Bad ass, definitive Talking Heads.


 
Posted 3 years ago by sfyi2001    [ Reply ]
Enjoy this song for the simple reason that the opening line sounds like "Lost my shit...!"
Posted 3 years ago by FluorideFreeMN    [ Reply ]
more cowbell
Posted 3 years ago by ThePoose    [ Reply ]
Treated myself to the YouTube video of the TH Live in Rome '80 posted by jbuhl below, and it was INCREDIBLE! Byrne, Harrison, AND Belew are all three absolutely shredding guitars, and they're backed by Tina AND some other mad cat on bass, and Chris has another drummer along on stage next to him! AND they have an additional vocalist, too!  They're full-on jamming, at the peak of their powers!
Posted 3 years ago by coloradojohn    [ Reply ]
 dc_zee wrote:

"Facts don't do what I want them to
Facts just twist the truth around
Facts are living turned inside out
Facts are getting the best of them
Facts are nothing on the face of things"

Dear pesky facts:

How I miss you.

 
Don't feel bad; now we have alternative facts!
Posted 3 years ago by On_The_Beach    [ Reply ]

"Facts don't do what I want them to
Facts just twist the truth around
Facts are living turned inside out
Facts are getting the best of them
Facts are nothing on the face of things"

Dear pesky facts:

How I miss you.


Posted 4 years ago by dc_zee    [ Reply ]
Just upped this to a 10 as I immediately started dancing in my chair as soon as the music started.

Great tune.  Loved it from Day 1 - long ago although it seems like only yesterday. 
Posted 4 years ago by lemmoth    [ Reply ]
 jbuhl wrote:
That's Adrian Belew ripping all those cool sounds on guitar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8lFmsCXhg

 
Great footage—thanks! Was this performance used in "The Name of This Band is The Talking Heads"? That album's largely forgotten these days. 

I saw Belew at Carnegie-Mellon University around '84 with one of Elvis Presley's drummers (who had his own eager audience of fans/questioners about Elvis at the end of the show). Loud and a lot of fun. 


Posted 4 years ago by kcar    [ Reply ]

Posted 4 years ago by Alexandra    [ Reply ]
No wonder I zoned out musically in the 80s.
Posted 4 years ago by SeriousLee    [ Reply ]
This is a "must have" in your collection !
Posted 4 years ago by ola.tonnberg22008    [ Reply ]
Remain in Light is one of their best and I think underrated albums.
Posted 4 years ago by lemmoth    [ Reply ]
 Skydog wrote:
settle an argument
my wife says this is Trick Daddy and I say it is Air Supply 

 
I'll settle it; you two might want to reconsider your marriage.
Posted 4 years ago by LPCity    [ Reply ]
 jbuhl wrote:
That's Adrian Belew ripping all those cool sounds on guitar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8lFmsCXhg

 
Funky as hell! Thank you.
Posted 4 years ago by justin4kick    [ Reply ]
 jbuhl wrote:
That's Adrian Belew ripping all those cool sounds on guitar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8lFmsCXhg

 
Very cool !


Posted 4 years ago by coding_to_music    [ Reply ]
settle an argument
my wife says this is Trick Daddy and I say it is Air Supply 
Posted 4 years ago by Skydog    [ Reply ]
10 to a 10

This song has passed the tests of time. 
Posted 4 years ago by oppositelock    [ Reply ]
 mdnlsn wrote:

I'll see your 1 and raise you an 8. Pretentious, maybe. But still enjoyable to my ears!

 
pri-ˈten(t)-shəs

"having or showing the unpleasant quality of people who want to be regarded as more impressive, successful, or important than they really are"

I don't think that fits this tune. Do you even know the meaning of the words you use?

Posted 4 years ago by LowPhreak    [ Reply ]
 mdnlsn wrote:

I'll see your 1 and raise you an 8. Pretentious, maybe. But still enjoyable to my ears!

 
Why pretentious?


Posted 4 years ago by Will62    [ Reply ]
That's Adrian Belew ripping all those cool sounds on guitar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8lFmsCXhg


Posted 4 years ago by jbuhl    [ Reply ]
 whomhow wrote:
Talking Heads - Pretencious and Painful. 1.

 
I'll see your 1 and raise you an 8. Pretentious, maybe. But still enjoyable to my ears!
Posted 4 years ago by mdnlsn    [ Reply ]
 justin4kick wrote:

Even at 56 I would love to be in such a place (with crosseyed and pantless ladies).

 
hey justin come over to my place in the alps your a funny cool guy. You dutch people like skiing as i recon whenenver i m in the mountains. We will have some beers and dance crosseyed and pantless under a "schirm" at an apres ski bar.
Posted 4 years ago by slandering    [ Reply ]
Talking Heads - Pretencious and Painful. 1.
Posted 4 years ago by whomhow    [ Reply ]
Hello, Eno!
Posted 5 years ago by Steely_D    [ Reply ]
11 Points from Schermany- Gruß an Klaus
Posted 5 years ago by tonispizzeria    [ Reply ]
 slandering wrote:
one of the best danceable songs in clubs. dark packed dancefloor, mirrorball, flashlights and the air polluted with smoke and sweat.
so great!

 
Even at 56 I would love to be in such a place (with crosseyed and pantless ladies).
Posted 5 years ago by justin4kick    [ Reply ]
Dancing to this? Are you kidding?! =)
Posted 5 years ago by Meolla_Reio    [ Reply ]
one of the best danceable songs in clubs. dark packed dancefloor, mirrorball, flashlights and the air polluted with smoke and sweat.
so great!
Posted 5 years ago by slandering    [ Reply ]
Crosseyed and Painless . . . a song about tequila?
Except the painless part doesn't extend into the morning after . . .
Posted 5 years ago by On_The_Beach    [ Reply ]
Anyone who has Tidal music service should check out the retrospective about this album. Many interesting factoids about the history and making of the album...  Oh yeah...and this is an obvious "10".  {#Guitarist}
Posted 5 years ago by aspicer    [ Reply ]
 coloradojohn wrote:
There are so many times when this is just the perfect thing to hear! like when you are writing a novel that you've been working on for years and Facts are simple and Facts are straight, Facts are lazy and Facts are late, Facts all come with points of view, Facts don't do what I want them to, Facts just twist the truth around, Facts are Living turned inside out, Facts are getting the best of them, and Facts are nothing on the face of Things all just hits you like it never did before, and you have to think:  Same As It Ever Was.  Thanks, RP! 

 
Hey CJ...PARTY YER BALLS OFF!

That is all. {#Jump}

The feeling returns

Whenever we close our eyes...
Posted 5 years ago by LowPhreak    [ Reply ]
 aspicer wrote:
The sound of genius. 😎

 
Having a great time listening in from Ireland and st the beach in October wow . Happy days 
Posted 5 years ago by Trearty    [ Reply ]
The sound of genius. 😎
Posted 5 years ago by aspicer    [ Reply ]
{#Cheers}     {#Cheers}     {#Cheers}      {#Cheers}     {#Cheers}




{#Cheers}     {#Cheers}     {#Cheers}      {#Cheers}     {#Cheers}




{#Cheers}     {#Cheers}     {#Cheers}      {#Cheers}     {#Cheers}
 
Posted 5 years ago by Peter_Bradshaw    [ Reply ]
Not the worst song I've ever heard, but a long way from the best. I'm just saying.
Posted 5 years ago by ccdowenye    [ Reply ]
Fantastic! Made me get up and dance!
Posted 5 years ago by Piranga    [ Reply ]
 Chrisjea wrote:
Three excellent songs and then this.  Great band in the 70's.  Now, just annnoying

 
you have no taste, and you're a jerk, and yes i am attacking you on rp. no one puts TH in a corner. also, i'm an audiophile and forced to listen to rp at work, in which i hold a certain disdain for.
Posted 5 years ago by vanishingreturns    [ Reply ]
Facts all come with points of view...

Facts don't do what I want them to. 
Posted 5 years ago by Ropes    [ Reply ]
Three excellent songs and then this.  Great band in the 70's.  Now, just annnoying
Posted 5 years ago by Chrisjea    [ Reply ]
Quirky TH fun.
Posted 5 years ago by stegokitty    [ Reply ]
 jules44 wrote:
This album Changed My Life!!!!!!

All good, after a very bland 70s.{#Clap} 

 
A very bland 70's? {#Eh}  I guess you weren't there!
Posted 5 years ago by LowPhreak    [ Reply ]
This music is so annoying... Please STOOOOPPP!!!
Posted 5 years ago by Axelito    [ Reply ]
They have always been different to me, but in a good way ?
Posted 6 years ago by RascalRhyme    [ Reply ]

This song is GREAT. The beat kills me. They were one of the first bands to wake me up to alternative music back in the late 70's and early 80's. Great era if you were there. All era's are good, nothing bad about creativity when it comes to music. Just depends on your perspective and where you are in your life. :)


Posted 6 years ago by a_conway    [ Reply ]
This album Changed My Life!!!!!!

All good, after a very bland 70s.{#Clap} 
Posted 6 years ago by jules44    [ Reply ]
I'll see your 6 and raise to 10 

ladybinnath wrote:
I went to rate this and found that somehow I'd previously rated an 8.  I must have been high.  8 —> 6 (and only that strong because sometimes things really connect better when you're high).

 


Posted 6 years ago by blotto    [ Reply ]
There are so many times when this is just the perfect thing to hear! like when you are writing a novel that you've been working on for years and Facts are simple and Facts are straight, Facts are lazy and Facts are late, Facts all come with points of view, Facts don't do what I want them to, Facts just twist the truth around, Facts are Living turned inside out, Facts are getting the best of them, and Facts are nothing on the face of Things all just hits you like it never did before, and you have to think:  Same As It Ever Was.  Thanks, RP! 
Posted 6 years ago by coloradojohn    [ Reply ]
This is another of those songs I wish could be about ten minutes longer. So much fun on its way to perfection.
Posted 6 years ago by ddbz    [ Reply ]
This album was Talking Heads at their peak IMHO {#Dancingbanana}
Posted 6 years ago by bakerboy    [ Reply ]
Simply fantastic.  I saw them perform this at the Greek shortly after it was released ... when I was in school ... oh wow, what an indelible experience at an indelible point in my life.
Posted 6 years ago by S-curvy    [ Reply ]
 aspicer wrote:
Genius in action! {#Notworthy}

 
.... totally agree 10
Posted 6 years ago by Peter_Bradshaw    [ Reply ]
 xkolibuul wrote:

Not a chance.  Honestly, did you actually think that might happen?  

 
Easily my fave TH song....
Posted 6 years ago by tulfan    [ Reply ]
 sadds97 wrote:
One of the worst songs ever made. Please remove it from the play list

 

Reminds me of the time I was playing Billy Joel's Virginia and the line"Catholic girls start much too late." I was getting royally bitched at from some woman to never play that song again. Yeah, sure, like I had any control over the playlist "back in the day."
Bill can play whatever he wants. It's his station!
Posted 6 years ago by Aud    [ Reply ]
Always wanted to ask Tina Weymouth out for a date...but she'd have to bring her bass along.


{#Cheesygrin}
Posted 6 years ago by LowPhreak    [ Reply ]
 sadds97 wrote:
One of the worst songs ever made. Please remove it from the play list

 
Not a chance.  Honestly, did you actually think that might happen?  
Posted 6 years ago by xkolibuul    [ Reply ]
I went to rate this and found that somehow I'd previously rated an 8.  I must have been high.  8 --> 6 (and only that strong because sometimes things really connect better when you're high).
Posted 7 years ago by ladybinnath    [ Reply ]
"Crosseyed and Painless".  Wonder where that title came from?  Boogie music that dances very close to the definition of disco ....
Posted 7 years ago by unclehud    [ Reply ]
Genius in action! {#Notworthy}
Posted 7 years ago by aspicer    [ Reply ]
Great band.  Great song.  
Posted 7 years ago by AbileneTexas    [ Reply ]
Ahh yes crank up those old Bose 901s!
Posted 7 years ago by skyguy    [ Reply ]
Best.album.ever. (right now)
Posted 7 years ago by Wizzo_oz    [ Reply ]
TH always turns a drab day into a good day.
New Order - Shriekback - TH, pretty great set you've got going on here.
Posted 7 years ago by blotto    [ Reply ]
 sadds97 wrote:
One of the worst songs ever made. Please remove it from the play list

 
Trying to ruin this song for you even more...{#Roflol}

Carlton from  

Over time a quantum entanglement effect will take hold, enabling Carlton to dance in time with the beat...briefly. 


Posted 7 years ago by kcar    [ Reply ]
 sadds97 wrote:
One of the worst songs ever made. Please remove it from the play list

 

Go PSD then...
Posted 7 years ago by Aud    [ Reply ]
Is it over yet?
Posted 7 years ago by Shesdifferent    [ Reply ]
One off the best songs ever made, love that Bassline!
 
Posted 7 years ago by Rofi    [ Reply ]
One of the worst songs ever made. Please remove it from the play list
Posted 7 years ago by sadds97    [ Reply ]
s-s-s-oo b-b-b-rilliant!!
Posted 7 years ago by justin4kick    [ Reply ]
Chair boogie going on.{#Dancingbanana}{#Bananajam}
Posted 7 years ago by junebaby65    [ Reply ]
Feels like I won a jackpot when this song plays ... Love it! 10 {#Notworthy}
Posted 7 years ago by Minimally    [ Reply ]
Sounds like it could have been recorded yesterday.  Ferking brilliant.
Posted 7 years ago by grant    [ Reply ]
 gypsyman wrote:

Amen. And still one of my favorite albums. (yes, albums)

 
Amen to that Amen
Posted 7 years ago by Arividerchi    [ Reply ]
 coloradojohn wrote:
This was so far ahead of its time we actually had to recognize that it was better than we could or would be able to "get" for quite awhile yet...and we were — and still are — well-rewarded!  There's just a whole symphony orchestra's worth of musicality going on at all times in this thing, and many deceptively tight vocals are woven carefully within...solid funky bass and beats behind propel the groove...innovative key structures making the mind soar...and man I will forever dig how DB lays down some of the first "rap" ever!

 
Amen. And still one of my favorite albums. (yes, albums)
Posted 7 years ago by DD gypsyman    [ Reply ]
 philbertr wrote:

Well said indeed!

 

Agreed...perhaps my favorite TH song...
Posted 7 years ago by tulfan    [ Reply ]
Could use slightly less cowbell.
Posted 7 years ago by TheKing2    [ Reply ]
This was so far ahead of its time we actually had to recognize that it was better than we could or would be able to "get" for quite awhile yet...and we were — and still are — well-rewarded!  There's just a whole symphony orchestra's worth of musicality going on at all times in this thing, and many deceptively tight vocals are woven carefully within...solid funky bass and beats behind propel the groove...innovative key structures making the mind soar...and man I will forever dig how DB lays down some of the first "rap" ever!
Posted 7 years ago by coloradojohn    [ Reply ]
Lots of memories associated with this, and indeed, the whole album.
Posted 7 years ago by DD gypsyman    [ Reply ]
No record/cd/? collection should be without this. ...and Adrian Belew? Good grief!!
Posted 7 years ago by fiddler    [ Reply ]

Funny, I recognize the talent.  This band is tight.  Really tight.  The music is original and bold.

 

But I just can't get into it.  waz wrong with me? No matter, am happier than a clam RP plays plenty of TKs.  


Posted 8 years ago by westslope    [ Reply ]
 coloradojohn wrote:
Can't get any better or more intense than the music and vocals barely contained in this incredible jumping heaving and seething mass of fission, especially coming after the last tune — way to JAM, RP! and THANKS!
 
Well said indeed!
Posted 8 years ago by philbertr    [ Reply ]
Can't get any better or more intense than the music and vocals barely contained in this incredible jumping heaving and seething mass of fission, especially coming after the last tune — way to JAM, RP! and THANKS!
Posted 8 years ago by coloradojohn    [ Reply ]
 gillespp wrote:

Exactly. This whole album in astonishing in its musical creativity.
 
Yup...a classic.{#Angel}
Posted 8 years ago by SweTex    [ Reply ]
Oh yeah — love Adrian Belew's guitar on this and the Great Curve
Posted 8 years ago by lemmoth    [ Reply ]
My favorite track from this wonderful Heads album.
Posted 8 years ago by lemmoth    [ Reply ]
 wlpendley wrote:
Love the layered polyrythms in this song.  David Byrne is truly god-like.  Easy "10" rating for me  :-)
 
Exactly. This whole album in astonishing in its musical creativity.
Posted 8 years ago by gillespp    [ Reply ]
 Bobert_ParkCity wrote:
Was a huge Heads fan back in the day. Loved lyrics like "when I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed" and "why are you so in love with your problems? It's not cool to have so many problems"

But now, I dunno - my energy is different, and what used to move me is more close to the edge of irritating.

Still love the lyrics though.  
 
Their best lyrics are still the best. 

Still waiting . . .

Facts are useful in an emergency . . . .

Facts just twist the truth around . . .

Can't think of anything more relevant in these days of "their" facts vs. "our" facts.
Posted 8 years ago by zillah    [ Reply ]
Was a huge Heads fan back in the day. Loved lyrics like "when I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed" and "why are you so in love with your problems? It's not cool to have so many problems"

But now, I dunno - my energy is different, and what used to move me is more close to the edge of irritating.

Still love the lyrics though.  
Posted 8 years ago by Bobert_ParkCity    [ Reply ]
Love the layered polyrythms in this song.  David Byrne is truly god-like.  Easy "10" rating for me  :-)
Posted 8 years ago by wlpendley    [ Reply ]
 On_The_Beach wrote:
Facts don't do what I want them to.
 
That's OK .. I just create my own facts.  And that is a fact.
 
Posted 8 years ago by Misterfixit    [ Reply ]
Wow!  Cannot even fathom the negative energy this produces is some ppl....this is one of the best songs and groups of the 80's!
Posted 8 years ago by tuttle99    [ Reply ]
Too soon folks....too soon.
Posted 8 years ago by ziakut    [ Reply ]

Posted 8 years ago by ziakut    [ Reply ]
 grant wrote:
The musical math that produced this album is very simple:

(Talking Heads + Adrian Belew) Eno = Pure Musical Energy
 
Yes!
Posted 8 years ago by pcicatar    [ Reply ]
This song is only 40 minutes too short. Why would the Heads peter out like that? The bright side for anyone needing the sheet music for this...they really only need two measures worth of paper. Geeez. By the way...I love the PSD button right now.
Posted 8 years ago by ziakut    [ Reply ]
Upgraded from Ctrl+Alt+Del ———————>  1 w/mute
Posted 8 years ago by terrapin52    [ Reply ]
Think Ive discovered a new appreciation for the Talking Heads here at RP...
Posted 8 years ago by linzie    [ Reply ]
Eh-oh! Eh-oh!

Teletubbies
Posted 8 years ago by fredriley    [ Reply ]
VERY VERY MODERN MUSIC
DAVID BYRNE THE BEST
Posted 8 years ago by piripimpo    [ Reply ]
Facts don't do what I want them to.
Posted 8 years ago by On_The_Beach    [ Reply ]
This song is just not repetitive enough. Yell
Posted 8 years ago by ziakut    [ Reply ]
 pinnyrat wrote:
I hope that there is a God...and that when I die, He will pull me aside and explain to me why people like The Talking Heads.  Especially Bill.
 

Cos they were friggin awesome... but you may have to die first to discover that!
Posted 8 years ago by Limpopoking    [ Reply ]
I'm a guy, wishing I was the girl playin' bass on this one.  {#Bananajam}
Posted 8 years ago by mrdak    [ Reply ]
This has to be one of the worst songs ever written. I absolutely can't stand David Byrne's voice. BARFO.... I LOVE RP except when the horrid voice comes on. Thank apple for the "skip to the next radio station" button on my keyboard, or I'd go insane.
Posted 8 years ago by sten    [ Reply ]