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New Order — True Faith
Album: Substance
Avg rating:
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Total ratings: 1811









Released: 1987
Length: 5:36
Plays (last 30 days): 1
I feel so extraordinary
Something's got a hold on me
I get this feeling I'm in motion
A sudden sense of liberty
I don't care 'cause I'm not there
And I don't care if I'm here tomorrow
Again and again I've taken too much
Of the things that cost you too much

CHORUS
I used to think that the day would never come
I'd see delight in the shade of the morning sun
My morning sun is the drug that brings me near
To the childhood I lost, replaced by fear
I used to think that the day would never come
That my life would depend on the morning sun

When I was a very small boy
Very small boys talked to me
Now that we've grown up together
They're afraid of what they see
That's the price that we all pay
Our valued destiny comes to nothing
I can't tell you where we're going
I guess there's just no way of knowing

CHORUS

I feel so extraordinary
Something's got a hold on me
I get this feeling I'm in motion
A sudden sense of liberty
The chances are we've gone too far
You took my time, and you took my money
Now, I fear you've left me standing
In a world that's so demanding

CHORUS
CHORUS

Morning sun
Morning sun
Morning sun
Morning sun
Morning sun
Morning sun
Comments (259)add comment
The Best New Order Song!
Love a lot of New Order but this tune is pretty low on the list - overplayed and mediocre compared to their great works.
Love this song, can't help but tap my foot. Many happy memories of many happy times with this tune in the background. Thanks RP!
 ziggytrix wrote:

New Order songs all sound kind of the same to me. {#Ask}

I mean, I love them, and I sing along, but, honestly, in the moment I'm never sure which one I'm singing along to.
 
How do you know what lyrics to sing if you can't differentiate the music?
 thewiseking wrote:
not one of their best

 
New Order songs all sound kind of the same to me. {#Ask}

I mean, I love them, and I sing along, but, honestly, in the moment I'm never sure which one I'm singing along to.
not one of their best
Very dated. 
 DaveInVA wrote:
New Oder, yuck! PSD time.

 
cool, more for me
 Alastair wrote:
'Lacking in substance' from someone who still uses dancing banana gifs. 



VH1 wrote:

That describes pretty much the entire music business of the 2000 years up until today...lacking in substance...


 

I love the video to this song too


 

 
So what? That is entirely my perogative and absofxxxlutely none of your business!

I will continue to do whatever the fxxx I want! YOUR life really must suck, geez!

 LOL!

Oh, and.....a sense of humour never goes a miss!

I wasn't aware there is a "trendy fashion thing" going on with regards to gifs! LOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!
'Lacking in substance' from someone who still uses dancing banana gifs. 

VH1 wrote:

That describes pretty much the entire music business of the 2000 years up until today...lacking in substance...


 

I love the video to this song too


 


 DaveInVA wrote:
New Oder, yuck! PSD time.

 
Better do some spraying instead.
Not quite on the level of Tears for Fears, but this is classic 80s pop in a good way. Love it! 
 thewiseking wrote:
lacking in substance

 
That describes pretty much the entire music business of the 2000 years up until today...lacking in substance...


 

I love the video to this song too

New Oder, yuck! PSD time.
 thewiseking wrote:
lacking in substance

 
And?  That was the whole point of the 80s.
lacking in substance
I'm grooving tonight.
 FrnaZ wrote:
RIP Ian...

 
Indeed...really missing him here (yeah, I know it's not Joy Division), but this track underscores his absence. Such a loss.
Sunday edition : In a world that's so demanding
CHORUS  (extra)
CHORUS  (extra)
As you please ! Morning sun.
Morning sun !
Can't hear this song without thinking of the dance scene in American Psycho.

American Psycho


One of the best, I like it.
RIP Ian...
You have to love a decade when overly argumentative drummers could credibly be threatened with being replaced by a machine.
Wow. I have a sudden urge to go "clubbing". Glad those days are over. Wish this song was.
 Will62 wrote:

Don't sweat it kcar. A comma after 'you' would have had us worried!!

 
Seinfeld scene: "Not That There's Anything WRong with That!"
 ckcotton wrote:
Amazing what almost 30 years will do with songs you couldn't stand......
 

 
So true.
Hope Bill doesn't ruin it by playing it again until 2044.
 
 kcar wrote:

I'll see your Wang Chung and raise you Loverboy. 

(wait...that doesn't sound right...{#Ask})  

 
Don't sweat it kcar. A comma after 'you' would have had us worried!!
Amazing what almost 30 years will do with songs you couldn't stand......


 
Oh, the 80s.   We had only just survived disco and then this kind of stuff started coming out--
Lack of Faith. Lack of Substance.  Substance abuse.
 helgigermany wrote:
Back in the day, i did not like this style of music. But now, i think its a classical genre, and not to bad!

 
Back in the day, I didn't *mind* this style of music.  But now, I think it sucky genre, and ought not to be heard. {#Wink}
 Photo-John wrote:

Ha ha - nicely done :-) Wang Chung truly is one of the most horrible things to ever happen to music.



 
I'll see your Wang Chung and raise you Loverboy. 

(wait...that doesn't sound right...{#Ask})  
Back in the day, i did not like this style of music. But now, i think its a classical genre, and not to bad!
It just reminds me how much I hated mainstream 80's pop. To be fair it isn't a bad tune.

I don't think Radio Paradise should abstain from playing it just because I, personally, happened to hate the 80's. For one thing, if they never played anything I disliked, I'd start worrying. For another, it's good to have an occasional reminder that, yes, exiting the 80s was indeed a sensible choice for humanity in general and me in particular.
Hard to believe one of the darkest bands in history could make this song, with a new singer.

I think this laid the ground work for "What is Love" that SNL made oh so popular.


This is what 3 rating was made for, thanks to New Order.
Great 80's video..
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17q9x_new-order-true-faith_music#.UQhTxr_C2So
 
I saw New Order live at the Berkeley Greek Theater when they toured for this Album in 1987. The lineup was with Gene Loves Jezebel and Echo and the Bunnyman. The goth newwave crowd was a show in itself.
 dewhead wrote:
WTF?? This is truly awful. This is an example of why a lot of people think music from the 80's sucks.
 

That's a bit harsh I think. It's just a song.
 dyharenas wrote:
Too many hair products in this for my liking
 
{#Angel}
WTF?? This is truly awful. This is an example of why a lot of people think music from the 80's sucks.
GORGEOUS!
 Dillinquent wrote:
 wildrudi wrote:
who has this song uploaded?{#Drunk}
Strange question.
I don't think this song has uploaded anyone.

 
It's german grammar syntax, nothing to fear
Survived the test of time. Liking it.
A great video if I remember? 
Sorry, far too 80's for me.... And not the good 80's at that....
Every era has its good sides. Unfortunately, this wasn't it for me...
This is a critically acclaimed hit from the 80's RP also plays critically acclaimed hits from other decades and obviously stuff from now which is interesting enough to deserve a proper critique.

So not quite sure where your surprise is coming from.

 
master_betty wrote:
I am a long time RP listener and don't think this tune shouldn't be played here. I love New Order and True Faith but honestly I never expected to hear it on RP.
 


Not my fav NO tune, but def. reminds me of a time and a place. Specifically The Loop Lounge in Passaic NJ ..back in the day....sigh
I am a long time RP listener and don't think this tune shouldn't be played here. I love New Order and True Faith but honestly I never expected to hear it on RP.
Amazing band, however this one is far from one of their best tunes.

 annie_fannie wrote:
wow, what is with all the New Order haters on RP?
 

dunno Annie but these guys are AWESOME...
wow, what is with all the New Order haters on RP?
 Sasha2001 wrote:


Really? if that's the case then how much room is left at the bottom for bands like Wang Chung and Huey Lewis + the News?
 
Ha ha - nicely done :-) Wang Chung truly is one of the most horrible things to ever happen to music.


Best video EVAR!
 tutakea wrote:
this one is the essence of all that is sucking. overwhelmingly stupid and embarrasing beyond belief! aaaahhhrgg
 



Really? if that's the case then how much room is left at the bottom for bands like Wang Chung and Huey Lewis + the News?
love....Love.....LOVE me some New Order!!  {#Tongue}
A great one .... brings backs memories galore!
 tutakea wrote:
this one is the essence of all that is sucking. overwhelmingly stupid and embarrasing beyond belief! aaaahhhrgg
 
true dat

this one is the essence of all that is sucking. overwhelmingly stupid and embarrasing beyond belief! aaaahhhrgg
This reminds me of the dance clubs that played New Order extended cuts
in DC.  This music and cocaine that was the scene back then.  A lot of
fun, and late late nights!!!!!
Dang - I love the way this song starts... It gets my foot tapping, my shoulders rocking... Oh, wait - it's an epileptic seizure. {#Roflol} Seriously - I do like this song.  New Order has this damnable way of either making me dance or making me tear my hair out.  Since I still have most of my hair, they usually manage to stay on my good side. This song is straddling the fence...

 wildrudi wrote:
who has this song uploaded?{#Drunk}
Strange question.
I don't think this song has uploaded anyone.



{#Dancingbanana}
who has this song uploaded?{#Drunk}
I usually don't like '80 electro pop, But I do really like those guys!

 Businessgypsy wrote:
Rush, Pixies, New Order...

  Deja Vu all over again...


my favorite new order tune! YEAH! 
Rush, Pixies, New Order...

This song is aiight for the genre. Eh.
Too many hair products in this for my liking
Blech!
have to give it a 10 for nostalgia and the video
mmmm FUN! :D
Thought the song was Blue Monday?

torture and execution?

tarred and feathered (*The aim was to hurt and humiliate a person enough to leave town and not cause any more mischief.) may be a little more apropos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarring_and_feathering
 
jedley wrote:
Started as a 3, then crept steadily down to 1.
N.B. Whoever invented synth drums should be tortured and executed in a global satellite broadcast.

 


A good example of the best music from the 80's.

Only a 6/10 on my list.
80's pop singer
This is almost as annoying as David Bryne
Baum74 wrote:
Absolute classic.
Does anybody know the coverversion from Flunk? I like it verry much!

I thought the NO song that Flunk covered was Blue Monday ...

teapot wrote:
I really need this song right now.

Funny - that's always how I feel when it comes on, too. (8)



Reminds me ...

of my first ...
Digital Reverb


came out about the same time


If you can't give this classic an 8, then what IS there?
Started as a 3, then crept steadily down to 1.
N.B. Whoever invented synth drums should be tortured and executed in a global satellite broadcast.

Absolute classic.
Does anybody know the coverversion from Flunk? I like it verry much!
'Baby Carrots, and this song, are making me gay.'

 j7 wrote:
I highly recommend a film called "24 Hour Party People" for those of us Gen Xer's that lived thru that time.
 
I'm juuust a little too young to have lived through that time (I would've been in elementary school, and in the United States) but it's still a fun movie to watch.  Steve Coogan should have my babies.



Knowing I'm in a minority, this is no more than 3 cord nifty-fifty glitzzz.... BUT I love the recording of
the recording of pre-recorded drums.Well ya can't accuse them of under-dubbing.

I never ever knew the name of this song, despite having heard it a bajillion times.
I really need this song right now.
 Bridieboo wrote:

I agree!!   {#Think} Except for the big shoulder pads and the leg warmers! {#Tongue}

 

Sorry Birdieboo, legwarmers are back in a big way over here in Sweden.... although they are worn differently (inside boots, with the tops sticking the top like tall socks)  I guess I can handle it, as long as legwarmers don't come back with slashed off the shoulder, cropped Flashdance sweatshirts, uber-short shorts, bright shiny tights, headbands and bad perms.....  I may have to drown myself....
Soundtrack of my youth {#Dancingbanana}
 lophrequa wrote:
remember this video? it's a michel gondry - blue man group - WWF mashup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og1HAkjOuL0
 
I had forgotten the video (how can that happen). Some early steampunk stuff in there and just generall oddity.
 Elliot wrote:

I'm an 80s child. I say: bring it back!

{#Drummer}
 
I agree!!   {#Think} Except for the big shoulder pads and the leg warmers! {#Tongue}

I loved the 80's they were extremely fun, had a blast,,still am.
 UltraNurd wrote:
I'm afraid to give a song that is oh so very '80s an 8... dare I?
 
But ...you say '80s' like it's a bad thing?

I'm an 80s child. I say: bring it back!

{#Drummer}


Rush , Time Stands Still
Pixies
and now New Order,,,,,,,,,I'm having a fantastic 80s flashback.
Depeche Mode... Do I hear Depeche Mode in there somewhere?? Oh well, I liked Depeche Mode too so a 7 it is.
Excellent CD, one of my guilty pleasures New Order!
a classic.
 UltraNurd wrote:
I'm afraid to give a song that is oh so very '80s an 8... dare I?
 
{#Dancingbanana}  I went for even higher than that.


meh
Man, if this song doesn't make you groove...you must be dead.{#Dancingbanana_2}
{#Dancingbanana} this song reminds me of good times!

I'm afraid to give a song that is oh so very '80s an 8... dare I?
 stewliscious wrote:


Let's summarize:

Hate New Order > call them Tuna whiners > get hate mail from sensitive people who tell me not to hate... (etc, etc)...

Clearly the problem is mine.  Lighten up bro, it ain't that deep.
 
Someday when you read comments as they actually are, without adding and imagining them as 'sensitive people', hate mail, dissertations, soap boxes, etc etc., then I won't feel the need to clarify inaccurate portrayals. I don't really care about your own problems with these imaginary issues of yours, so, as you say, 'it ain't that deep' to me.

I am lightened up and I don't even need any helium to get there... I don't have a problem with you...so as far as I'm concerned the matter is closed... this is a really cool song, and we're all moving on to other subject matter.


remember this video? it's a michel gondry - blue man group - WWF mashup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og1HAkjOuL0
Got that right Stew.  The problem is definitely yours.
Bill must be on meth....lok at the last 8-10 songs!!!
 andrewimft wrote:

Gee stew, are you trying to censor my free speech? I thought you were better than that and capable of intelligent dialog. Changing one's mistaken ideas and being big enough to admit it comes in handy. Of course, some people find it too threatening to challenge their preconceptions.

And I like eating tuna, and I like dolphins too, and I don't get manicures. Whatever your problems are with the tuna people who bother you so much, it's clear they're your problems, and not New Order's or anyone else's here.

Matter of fact, I don't think it's stupid to try to save the environment so we all have it, instead trashing it like a slob, and I don't think it's soap boxy to provide factual info instead of trashing people and bands with mistaken stereotypes based on your own personal drama problems.

 

Let's summarize:

Hate New Order > call them Tuna whiners > get hate mail from sensitive people who tell me not to hate > explained totured heroin addiction angle > doesn't make them sound any better to me > get dissertation from andrew on my lack of musical intellect and my depravity in general, attempt to associate me with "all the jerks who run around trying to control people and the world with their fists, guns, bombs, and a thousand ways to pollute, hurt, kill, maim" because I laugh at girly men and fart in their general direction > tell andrew not to lecture and have a snack of tuna varietal > get hate mail from andrew (still on soapy box)suggesting that I am trying to censor him due to soap box comment and that by saying so I am also questioning his grooming practices, dietary practices and his undying love of the environment and New Order.

Clearly the problem is mine.  Lighten up bro, it ain't that deep.
stewliscious wrote:


Would someone kick out Andrew's box of soap from under him and get the poor scrawny fella a tuna sammich!

Gee stew, are you trying to censor my free speech? I thought you were better than that and capable of intelligent dialog. Changing one's mistaken ideas and being big enough to admit it comes in handy. Of course, some people find it too threatening to challenge their preconceptions.

And I like eating tuna, and I like dolphins too, and I don't get manicures. Whatever your problems are with the tuna people who bother you so much, it's clear they're your problems, and not New Order's or anyone else's here.

Matter of fact, I don't think it's stupid to try to save the environment so we all have it, instead trashing it like a slob, and I don't think it's soap boxy to provide factual info instead of trashing people and bands with mistaken stereotypes based on your own personal drama problems.

 andrewimft wrote:

You haven't heard this band right. New Order ain't sensitive guy lyrics. Just read them, and check out Electronic, a side project where all the lyrics were about creepy criminal types. You don't know what you're talking about in how you characterize them and what their about. Secondly, the sensitive guy type you decry is way better than all the jerks who run around trying to control people and the world with their fists, guns, bombs, and a thousand ways to pollute, hurt, kill, maim. Too bad you don't get that. And my comment is not a critique of those who like to pack heat for hunting or self defense either. New Order is two things: catchy melodies on synths, and quirky lyrics that tell a nifty story. In this case it's a spiritual awakening they're describing when trying to get clean from drugs, but it doesn't matter it could describe any awakening. Hopefully you'll have some of those in your life, because without realization of a better life, one is just running around placing your faith in the transitory desperation of the moment's lack of gratification. That's not sensitive guy talk, that's common sense. It might not be your cup of whiskey, but New Order is not what you imagine it to be.

 

Would someone kick out Andrew's box of soap from under him and get the poor scrawny fella a tuna sammich!
stewliscious wrote:
Sorry, I blasted the Smiths as the whiney band of the 80's. These guys? qualify also. Sounds like a guy? that gets manicures and cries when you tell him that dolphins died when he ate a tuna sandwich. Substance, Lack of.

You haven't heard this band right. New Order ain't sensitive guy lyrics. Just read them, and check out Electronic, a side project where all the lyrics were about creepy criminal types. You don't know what you're talking about in how you characterize them and what their about. Secondly, the sensitive guy type you decry is way better than all the jerks who run around trying to control people and the world with their fists, guns, bombs, and a thousand ways to pollute, hurt, kill, maim. Too bad you don't get that. And my comment is not a critique of those who like to pack heat for hunting or self defense either. New Order is two things: catchy melodies on synths, and quirky lyrics that tell a nifty story. In this case it's a spiritual awakening they're describing when trying to get clean from drugs, but it doesn't matter it could describe any awakening. Hopefully you'll have some of those in your life, because without realization of a better life, one is just running around placing your faith in the transitory desperation of the moment's lack of gratification. That's not sensitive guy talk, that's common sense. It might not be your cup of whiskey, but New Order is not what you imagine it to be.

 kcar wrote:
Dunno if this changes your mind any, but the song is but heroin addiction and the alienation it causes. Not exactly manicured tuna-whining stuff.

stewliscious wrote:

Sorry, I blasted the Smiths as the whiney band of the 80's. These guys? qualify also. Sounds like a guy? that gets manicures and cries when you tell him that dolphins died when he ate a tuna sandwich. Substance, Lack of.





  Well, that's a bummer, but there are PLENTY of other heroin addicts/abusers that produced much better music (Jimmy Page, Keith Richards et al).  Not that I want anyone to use heroin, mind you; just want to state that the manicured tuna-whiners have found my last nerve and are on it relentlessly.


Dunno if this changes your mind any, but the song is but heroin addiction and the alienation it causes. Not exactly manicured tuna-whining stuff.

stewliscious wrote:
Sorry, I blasted the Smiths as the whiney band of the 80's. These guys? qualify also. Sounds like a guy? that gets manicures and cries when you tell him that dolphins died when he ate a tuna sandwich. Substance, Lack of.





Amen to that.

MusicIsMotion wrote:
Eh, I don't give a damn who hates this tune. I've always thought it was pretty cool.




Ah, memories...
8 Song, 9 video.

Eh, I don't give a damn who hates this tune. I've always thought it was pretty cool.
Shimmer wrote:
Yes, but that's a great movie. The songs are lame on purpose. It's called "Music and Lyrics".
Agreed about the songs being intentionally bad. That did add a lot to the humor of it. Though I have to say, I confess to really liking the song they write throughout the movie that he sings with the pop tart at the end. It's a nice little tune. Was it called "Back Into Love"?
Doesn't matter how much time passes, I will always love this song. Good associations for me, I guess. :jump: