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Van Morrison — Saint Dominic's Preview
Album: Saint Dominic's Preview
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Released: 1972
Length: 6:20
Plays (last 30 days): 1
Shammy [chamois] cleaning all the windows,
Singing songs about Edith Piaf's soul.
And I hear blue strains of "no regredior"
Across the street from Cathedral Notre Dame.

Meanwhile back in San Francisco
We're trying hard to make this whole thing blend,
As we sit upon this jagged
Storey block, with you my friend.

And it's a long way to Buffalo.
It's a long way to Belfast city too.
And I'm hoping the joist won't blow the hoist
'cos this time, they bit off more than they can chew.

As we gaze out on, as we gaze out on
As we gaze out on, as we gaze out on
Saint Dominic's Preview
Saint Dominic's Preview
Saint Dominic's Preview

All the orange boxes are scattered.
Against the Safeway's supermarket in the rain.
And everybody feels so determined
Not to feel anyone else's pain.

(You know that) No one's making no commitments
To anybody but themselves,
Hidin' behind closed doorways,
Tryin' to get outside, outside of empty shells

And for every cross-cuttin' country corner,
For every Hank Williams railroad train that cried,
And all the chains, badges, flags and emblems
And every strain on every brain and every eye (?)

As we gaze out on, as we gaze out on
As we gaze out on, as we gaze out on
Saint Dominic's Preview
Saint Dominic's Preview
Saint Dominic's Preview.

And the restaurant tables are completely covered.
The record company has paid out for the wine.
You got everything in the world you ever wanted
Right about now your face should wear a smile.

That's the way it all should happen
When you're in, when you're in the state you're in;
You've got your pen and notebook ready,
I think it's about time, time for us to begin.

And we're over in a 52nd Street apartment,
Socializing with the white hope few,
Just to be hip and get wet with the jet set.
But they're flying too high to see my point of view.

As we gaze out on, as we gaze out on
As we gaze out on, as we gaze out on
Saint Dominic's Preview
Saint Dominic's Preview
Saint Dominic's Preview.

See them freedom marching,
Out on the street, freedom marching.
Saint Dominic's Preview.
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 joeychick wrote:
jktravl wrote:
Grew up on Van the Man. One of the things I want to do before I die is to see him perform. He is still on the road, and still has his voice. Hope he comes back to the USA.
I saw him two years ago at the Austin City Limits music festival. Do yourself a favor, and don't ever see him live. Not now. I love Van, too, and I'm sure he was fantastic back in the day, but he just doesn't have it anymore. I was so disappointed while we were watching him... I was looking forward to his performance all summer. I know it's just that he's getting old and can't do the things he used to be able to do so easily, but if you love Van, then I recommend you pass on seeing him live, and just be happy with the memories and images you have of him now, and save them from being tainted by his current performances.
 

Agreed, saw him about the same in a small club in Hamilton Ontario. He had a female vocalist open for him, she just got up and screamed for 40 minutes. The only reason people stayed was to hear Van. When he got up the first thing he did was call out a couple guys that were smoking a joint, then sang songs that no one had heard before and when the audience starting requesting some of his older hits he refused and left. 
Godlike? Absolutely!
I adore this album. Listen to the Lion is one of my most beloved Van songs. 
And I'm hoping the joist won't blow the hoist. 

I think I've  just discovered my new tag line of irony and wtf...
 
 scraig wrote:
Wow, Amazon is going to charge me $60 for this album! What's the story here?
 
There are as many stories as there are masterings and pressings of the vinyl album or CD. If you'll look at all the Amazon options, you'll see that there a number of masters—from the original to a couple in the '90s. Then there's where the CD was manufactured. Japanese imports, with their allegedly more stringent manufacturing standards, generally command higher prices. Finally, there's whatever the seller perceives the market's straining point—"This is the most I'll get for this product" because demand is relatively high and supply is relatively (perhaps artificially) low.

If I think the price is too high, I wait. Most of the time my patience is rewarded with something that sounds good at a fraction of the price asked before. Most of the time. I see the prices for St. Dominic's Preview are still fairly steep, but there are options around $30. That would still be too rich for my blood, and I'd wait longer.

 scraig wrote:
Wow, Amazon is going to charge me $60 for this album! What's the story here?
 
It's just that GOOD ! {#Yes}
I really like Van a lot.  Not this one so much.  It's pretty good but not up to his other works.
 scraig wrote:
Wow, Amazon is going to charge me $60 for this album! What's the story here?
 
Now it's $96, must be supply and demand.
Wow, Amazon is going to charge me $60 for this album! What's the story here?
{#Puke} Van Morrison
...and again with the follow to Counting Crows...
I'll give this song a 9 just because I love the name Dominic...
 OmegaConcern wrote:
And I'd rather hear Green Eyed Lady (Sugarloaf) than Brown Eyed Girl any day!
 
Their one hit wonder.   Agreed, BEG is overplayed, but then Van wouldn't play it for decades.  It is a painful song for him I think because he didn't get any royalties or residuals.  Is he moody?  Sure, but his performances are always good to supreme.  Unfortunately, he knows he only has a few years as entertainer left and his shows have become mostly unaffordable here in the us.

goosebumps...stellar
I hear a few licks of "Hate it Here" by Wilco in this old piece.
Used to dig VM.  Have, over the years, become sick of him.  Just seriously over him.  I guess I respect him, I just don't like him, FWIW.

And I'd rather hear Green Eyed Lady (Sugarloaf) than Brown Eyed Girl any day!
 siandbeth wrote:
Can someone, anyone, upload the Sons Of Champlin? I have a hankering.
 
Until someone does, you can find six live concerts (including one under the monicker Yogi Phlegm!) at Wolfgang's Vault:

https://www.wolfgangsvault.com/the-sons-of-champlin/

I grew up in San Rafael a stone's throw from the Champlin abode on C Street. He, Dave Shallock, and "Hags" Haggerty were local heroes with a ferocious band.

I've seen him a few times.  Sometimes he blows the roof off, sometimes his mood consumes him.  I saw a series of shows with Van, Joni & Dylan and he was by far the best of the three every night (and I was on a Joni high at the time).  He can certainly be aloof, no doubt.
StDP is a great album...
 joeychick wrote:
I saw him two years ago at the Austin City Limits music festival. Do yourself a favor, and don't ever see him live. Not now.

I love Van, too, and I'm sure he was fantastic back in the day, but he just doesn't have it anymore. I was so disappointed while we were watching him... I was looking forward to his performance all summer. I know it's just that he's getting old and can't do the things he used to be able to do so easily, but if you love Van, then I recommend you pass on seeing him live, and just be happy with the memories and images you have of him now, and save them from being tainted by his current performances.
 
Don't be so sure he was fantastic back in the day.  He was a prick then, too, and has always been willing to trade personal popularity for a vague reputation as a misunderstood artist, which I believe he wears as a badge to make up for a significant lack of vocal talent.

This is a very nice tune! I saw him 1 year ago on TV in the LATER Show and he was great.But there he had only 2 songs so i cant say anything about his live shows.

I have no idea what it's about, but this could be my favorite all-time song.
 joeychick wrote:
I saw him two years ago at the Austin City Limits music festival. Do yourself a favor, and don't ever see him live. Not now.
I love Van, too, and I'm sure he was fantastic back in the day, but he just doesn't have it anymore. I was so disappointed while we were watching him... I was looking forward to his performance all summer. I know it's just that he's getting old and can't do the things he used to be able to do so easily, but if you love Van, then I recommend you pass on seeing him live, and just be happy with the memories and images you have of him now, and save them from being tainted by his current performances.
 
Ditto. I saw him a few years ago and it was a major disappointment. He never looked at or addressed the audience; not so much as a thank you. After he mumbled his way through a listless 90-minute set he wandered off the stage never to return. Live and learn.
That said, there is some great music on this album!


I know that Safeway!
 MojoJojo wrote:
Nicely done.

Remember, keep your stick on the ice.
 
 
 
 Bridieboo wrote:

Red Green

 
 
In my wildest imaginings I never would have pictured Steve Smith (aka Red Green) showing up on this comment board in relation to any song whatsoever LOL

 CamLwalk wrote:
Lovely song...but what exactly is Saint Dominic's Preview? And where is this Vanlose Stairway anyways?
 
I don't think either are in Belfast - the album cover shoot certainly wasn't:
https://www.michaelmagic.com/pageTogether14.html



This song is good for the ears...


 CamLwalk wrote:
Lovely song...but what exactly is Saint Dominic's Preview? And where is this Vanlose Stairway anyways?
 
You'll have fun here (see comments esp.):  https://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/35513/  {#Smile}

And we're over in a 52nd Street apartment,
Socializing with the whino few,
Just to be hip and get wet with the jet set.
But they're flying too high to see my point of view.

Lyrics like these are what draw me to Van Morrison.
If I died today, I'd like to come back as a member of Van's horn section. I understand he's a slave driver, but that sure sounds like fun to be part of that.
 PeterRigg wrote:
Musicianship, voice, feeling, bluesy-ness, phrasing, voice, musicianship.
Good, good music.

 

All that, and Irish,too? Begorrah! {#Clap}
Nicely done.

Remember, keep your stick on the ice.
 
 
 
 Bridieboo wrote:

Red Green

 


 apd wrote:
The opening notes of that Counting Crows song is now permanently duct-taped to the ending of this, in my head.
 
Red Green "Duct tape"

Musicianship, voice, feeling, bluesy-ness, phrasing, voice, musicianship.
Good, good music.

 Mary_Read wrote:
Arg! Counting Crows after this song again!!
 
..and again today...

 apd wrote:

 ...and again....
The opening notes of that Counting Crows song is now permanently duct-taped to the ending of this, in my head. Thanks Bill.
 
Duct taped?  On RP, the two songs are welded together.

 sharkey wrote:
jktravl wrote:
..... I have seen Van from 1964 in a coffee house Ottawa Ontario....
Le hibou? Le Hibou on "cactus". An experience never forgotten. In a good way.
 

I'll bet!

I caught up to "cactus" in Lynn Lake, northern Manitoba in the summer of 1976.  "Cactus" was even better in alti-plano NW of Laz Paz.

All in a good way.


YAY!!!!!!  Van Rocks! {#Bounce}
 Pharlap wrote:
saw Van give a free concert at the University of Bridgeport, a couple of days after Kent State happened. He must've been bummed (as we all were) cause he kept his back to the audience virtually the whole concert.
 
Actually, that's how he performs in most of his shows. He's always bummed about something.

 apd wrote:
...and again...

 
 ...and again....
The opening notes of that Counting Crows song is now permanently duct-taped to the ending of this, in my head. Thanks Bill.


 CamLwalk wrote:


Lovely song... And where is this Vanlose Stairway anyways?

Undoubtedly Ulster.  ...and discount those crows.


Lovely song...but what exactly is Saint Dominic's Preview? And where is this Vanlose Stairway anyways?
apd wrote:
Bill, I love you like a brother but do you have to follow this track with Counting Crows? Every. Single. Time.
...and again...
siandbeth wrote:
Can someone, anyone, upload the Sons Of Champlin? I have a hankering.
Wow, I haven't heard any Sons in decades. Used to really enjoy their albums in the early '70s.
Arg! Counting Crows after this song again!! I saw Van live only once - 1989 at an outdoor concert in Toronto. Van was excellent and all other concerts since have yet to match the magic of that day.
Feelin' It! :bounce:
Can someone, anyone, upload the Sons Of Champlin? I have a hankering.
Pharlap wrote:
saw Van give a free concert at the University of Bridgeport, a couple of days after Kent State happened. He must've been bummed (as we all were) cause he kept his back to the audience virtually the whole concert.
I saw Public Image years ago and Johnny Lydon hid behind an amp the whole time. That was somewhat disappointing.
How rude! Actually I'm not that surprised (or mad) to read a comment like that. I know his performances can be spotty. Van has commented on that himself. And it's not just a recent years phenomenon...he's always been that way. Personally, I'd roll the dice and go to a show if I had the chance. You never know, he could be in good form and it could make for a magical evening that you'll never forget. I did in fact see him a few years ago at the Olympia Theater in Dublin. He put on a great show. Van is a real person with all the good and bad traits that come with that. I don't think he has much desire to be fake, put on a happy face, suck it up, etc just to put on a "good" show for the people. I can hardly fault the guy for not being fake. I'd hate to see a truly disappointing performance, but in a way I would understand knowing what type of artist he is. joeychick wrote:
I saw him two years ago at the Austin City Limits music festival. Do yourself a favor, and don't ever see him live. Not now. I love Van, too, and I'm sure he was fantastic back in the day, but he just doesn't have it anymore. I was so disappointed while we were watching him... I was looking forward to his performance all summer. I know it's just that he's getting old and can't do the things he used to be able to do so easily, but if you love Van, then I recommend you pass on seeing him live, and just be happy with the memories and images you have of him now, and save them from being tainted by his current performances.
Bill, I love you like a brother but do you have to follow this track with Counting Crows? Every. Single. Time.
saw Van give a free concert at the University of Bridgeport, a couple of days after Kent State happened. He must've been bummed (as we all were) cause he kept his back to the audience virtually the whole concert.
Van the man!
I'm rockin horizontal :dancingbanana: :drummer: :guitarist: :jump: must stop must sleep m u s t
jktravl wrote: ..... I have seen Van from 1964 in a coffee house Ottawa Ontario.... Le hibou? Le Hibou on "cactus". An experience never forgotten. In a good way.
sharkey wrote:
jktravl wrote: ..... I have seen Van from 1964 in a coffee house Ottawa Ontario....
Le hibou?
jktravl wrote: Grew up on Van the Man. One of the things I want to do before I die is to see him perform. He is still on the road, and still has his voice. Hope he comes back to the USA. Van is touring part of the States now. Check out his Website for schedule. I have seen Van from 1964 in a coffee house Ottawa Ontario (his only hit then was Brown Eye'd Girl) & have never missed him since when he came to Canada. Maybe a dozen concerts in all. Only two that I remember were dissapointing. The latest ones were all good.
joeychick, Am not surprised. Demon alcohol. Alcohol (and who knows what else) destroyed a bunch of big name and smaller name live concerts I attended in the early 1970s. I'm sure it has taken its toll on imbibing performers over the years. I just lost an aunt who was relatively young and in great physical shape but had an alcohol problem. I believe that is why she choked to death on her food.
jktravl wrote:
Grew up on Van the Man. One of the things I want to do before I die is to see him perform. He is still on the road, and still has his voice. Hope he comes back to the USA.
I saw him two years ago at the Austin City Limits music festival. Do yourself a favor, and don't ever see him live. Not now. I love Van, too, and I'm sure he was fantastic back in the day, but he just doesn't have it anymore. I was so disappointed while we were watching him... I was looking forward to his performance all summer. I know it's just that he's getting old and can't do the things he used to be able to do so easily, but if you love Van, then I recommend you pass on seeing him live, and just be happy with the memories and images you have of him now, and save them from being tainted by his current performances.
Once upon a time almost wore the vinyl album out. My all time favourite Van Morrison. One soaring rush.
jktravl wrote:
Hmmm so a fence hop is stealing from the artist or stealing from the greedy promoter? I've hopped a fence here and there and once I got to see the concert, I bought many a recording and turned many a friend onto the music because of it. Think the Greatful Dead lost any money due to encoraging bootleg recordings, or did the profit from fans wanting to buy recordings? Good debate.
Hopping the fence is getting in for free, not paying for the service rendered. The promoter - I never met him - deserves pay for promotion, negotiation, etc. The musician deserves a fair head count at the gate, and a fair % of the profits. Hopping the fence doesn't help anyone but the guy watching the show for free, no matter how you try to justify it. And I like this song a lot.
wish the record company would have paid out for a new pair of pants too!
You've got to listen to the double cd "A Night In San Francisco" Good stuff. Fantastic guest artists.
Waf! Waf!
eastcoast wrote:
As opposed to the people who feel that stealing from artist isn't really stealing because all music should be free... ...hopped the fence and the greek cops actually HELPED us over so we wouldn't hurt ourselves imagine that, cops who see their job as being the protection of actual people rather than of vested economic interests... ah, to dream...
Hmmm so a fence hop is stealing from the artist or stealing from the greedy promoter? I've hopped a fence here and there and once I got to see the concert, I bought many a recording and turned many a friend onto the music because of it. Think the Greatful Dead lost any money due to encoraging bootleg recordings, or did the profit from fans wanting to buy recordings? Good debate.
As opposed to the people who feel that stealing from artist isn't really stealing because all music should be free... ...hopped the fence and the greek cops actually HELPED us over so we wouldn't hurt ourselves imagine that, cops who see their job as being the protection of actual people rather than of vested economic interests... ah, to dream...
jktravl wrote:
Grew up on Van the Man. One of the things I want to do before I die is to see him perform. He is still on the road, and still has his voice. Hope he comes back to the USA.
i saw van in '83 in the most amazing context of any concert ive ever seen (except perhaps radiohead at a medieval leper house in Bergamo) - among the ancient ruins on the top of Mt. Lycabettus in Athens. hopped the fence and the greek cops actually HELPED us over so we wouldn't hurt ourselves imagine that, cops who see their job as being the protection of actual people rather than of vested economic interests... ah, to dream...
jktravl wrote:
Grew up on Van the Man. One of the things I want to do before I die is to see him perform. He is still on the road, and still has his voice. Hope he comes back to the USA.
I'd love to see him also, however if I do, I hope it's one of his "on" nights. I have a friend who's seen him many times and said that he can be amazing one night and horrible (usually drunk) the next night. Unforunately, I don't live very close to any large cities that he usually plays.
Brestois wrote:
You'll invite me when you get that place? Love those doors too. Who's that guy singing?
Good one, Irish. :naughty:
Tagish_girl wrote:
okay, since I don't have anything deep to say about most music... I like to look at the record covers...God... I LOVE THOSE DOORS! Fantastic colour, fantastic hardware. I want to live in a house that can fit those doors. I want to paint something in my garden that colour.....
You'll invite me when you get that place? Love those doors too. Who's that guy singing?
I completely agree... redstorm11 wrote:
have a scotch, then maybe a henieken, and listen to the steel guitars pulling at your soul, and tell me this ain't the shit and the shine'ola! :ask: :clap:
:drunk: :dance: :clap: :drunk:
okay, since I don't have anything deep to say about most music... I like to look at the record covers...God... I LOVE THOSE DOORS! Fantastic colour, fantastic hardware. I want to live in a house that can fit those doors. I want to paint something in my garden that colour.....
physicsgenius wrote:
Van Morrison is best limited to 2-3 classic songs. More than that and his voice gets old.
Tend to agree. Tired of him.
Grew up on Van the Man. One of the things I want to do before I die is to see him perform. He is still on the road, and still has his voice. Hope he comes back to the USA.
have a scotch, then maybe a henieken, and listen to the steel guitars pulling at your soul, and tell me this ain't the shit and the shine'ola! :ask: :clap:
He does it to promote a response, so the more people respond to him the more he is encouraged to say what he does. Basic psychology my friend. fcatalao wrote:
why r all your comments so negative?
another grand van the man anthem
o so sweet
algrif wrote:
Nice song. Shame about the album cover, though
Is it the bell-bottoms? :)
Nice song. Shame about the album cover, though
Belfast Cowboy Cool ! :jump:
Thank you for the mix, today. Just a wonderful aural vacation.
Awesome songwriter, with a unique voice. A true star... Van's the man!
fcatalao wrote:
why r all your comments so negative?
Because "physicsgenius" is a verrrrryyyyy hungry troll.
lily34 wrote:
this one always reminds me of my husband. hey - anyone have that double cd put out about 10 yrs ago? i forget the name. i really like it. don't hear much of it on the radio.
Yep. The title is "Hymns To The Silence"
Any Van Morrison, old or new is better than 95% of the stuff out there today!
Was anyone else rmeinded of 'Bridge over Troubled Waters' from the opening few notes from the piano?
this one always reminds me of my husband. hey - anyone have that double cd put out about 10 yrs ago? i forget the name. i really like it. don't hear much of it on the radio.
tony99 wrote:
Van the Man, gazing wistfully into the distance, already piling on the pounds (note the ripped trousers), but at least back then he was making great music. St. Dominic's Preview is one of his best, IMHO.
Who cares how much he weighs, are you looking for a boyfriend or what? The list of great artists w/out Olympian physiques is rather long, wouldn't you say? And yes, Van was making great music back then. And he still is to this very day. Sorry for you if you're one of those "oh their older stuff was really good, but..." types. Blah blah.
joelb wrote:
One thing's always bugged me - and I love this song - but what the heck is a Preview in this context? Part of a church or a landscape?
OK, I googled it: https://www.harbour.sfu.ca/~hayward/van/glossary/dominic.html Turns out I was as close as anybody - could be the landscape around a church, as in purview, or a reference to a vision the saint had.
One thing's always bugged me - and I love this song - but what the heck is a Preview in this context? Part of a church or a landscape?
Van the Man, gazing wistfully into the distance, already piling on the pounds (note the ripped trousers), but at least back then he was making great music. St. Dominic's Preview is one of his best, IMHO.
sweet...
The horn section makes me cry. I love that sh!t!
At this point of my life, this song makes me cry. Awesome.
dionysius wrote:
I'm wondering what you think the bum track on Astral Weeks might be, even! But you're completely right about St. Dominic's Preview; it's an amazing, complex, and strangely underrated work from Van. Ten times better than Tupelo Honey or Wavelength, and even rates alongside Into the Music as being possibly His Second Best Album (first is never at issue, of course). Yes, he is often opaque and difficult in his relations with other human beings, but so was William Blake and W.B. Yeats and others of Van's own idols. Being an asshole should not be excused by being a genius, but it helps in the explanantion of it. Still, I don't want to sign a lease with him or marry him, I just want to listen to that music.
The 'bum' track on Astral Weeks is "The Way Young Lovers Do"; unfortunately it doesn't work in the context of the rest. By the way, another brilliant record of his from the time is the live one - "It's Too Late to Stop Now". I think "Listen to the Lion" is even better on this than on "Saint Dominic's ..." Van tapered off after "Veedon Fleece" IMHO.
physicsgenius wrote:
Van Morrison is best limited to 2-3 classic songs. More than that and his voice gets old.
why r all your comments so negative?
Van Morrison is best limited to 2-3 classic songs. More than that and his voice gets old.
i'm a huge vm fan. pity i have never had the opportunity to see him live. :sad:
I had simply forgotten that the "cleaning windows" metaphor started early in VM's lyrics - you gotta love him 'cause he still struggles - maybe it's "chamois"??
Death_to_Clear_Channel wrote:
No offense Mari, but why do you always post all of the lyrics to songs?
It'd be better if the lyrics were correct, I suppose. This transcription seems more accurate: https://www.harbour.sfu.ca/~hayward/van/lyrics/dominic.html#track5
Nice to be re-discovering Van Morrison.. great tune.. :music:
Mari wrote:
" Shammy cleaning all the windows, Singing songs about Edith Piaf's soul. And I hear blue strains of "no regredior" Across the street from Cathedral Notre Dame. Meanwhile back in San Francisco We're trying hard to make this whole thing blend, As we sit upon this jagged Storey block, with you my friend. And it's a long way to Buffalo. It's a long way to Belfast city too. And I'm hoping the choice won't blow the hoist 'cos this town, they bit off more than they can chew. As we gaze out on, as we gaze out on As we gaze out on, as we gaze out on Saint Dominic's Preview Saint Dominic's Preview Saint Dominic's Preview All the orange boxes are scattered. We get to Safeway's supermarket in the rain. And everybody feels so determined Not to feel anyone else's pain. (You know that) No one's making no commitments To anybody but themselves, Hidin' behind closed doorways, Tryin' to get outside, outside of empty shells And for every cross-cuttin' country corner, For every Hank Williams railroad train that cried, And all the chains, badges, flags and emblems And every strain on every brain and every eye (?) As we gaze out on, as we gaze out on As we gaze out on, as we gaze out on Saint Dominic's Preview Saint Dominic's Preview Saint Dominic's Preview. And the restaurant tables are completely covered. The record company has paid out for the wine. You got everything in the world you ever wanted Right about now your face should wear a smile. That's the way it all should happen When you're in, when you're in the state you're in; You've got your pen and notebook ready, I think it's about time, time for us to begin. And we're over in a 52nd Street apartment, Socializing with the whino few, Just to be hip and get wet with the jet set. But they're flying too high to see my point of view. As we gaze out on, as we gaze out on As we gaze out on, as we gaze out on Saint Dominic's Preview Saint Dominic's Preview Saint Dominic's Preview. See them freedom marching, Out on the street, freedom marching. Saint Dominic's Preview. " :motor:
No offense Mari, but why do you always post all of the lyrics to songs?
It's songs like this that make the world seem that much brighter.
tony99 wrote:
'Everybody feels so determined Not to feel anybody else's pain' This is one of the lesser tracks on St. Dominics, and that's saying something - the whole thing is brilliant from start to finish - runs 'Astral Weeks' a close second as his best, and even AW has one bum track. Who cares if he's an anti-social pain in the ass ?
I'm wondering what you think the bum track on Astral Weeks might be, even! But you're completely right about St. Dominic's Preview; it's an amazing, complex, and strangely underrated work from Van. Ten times better than Tupelo Honey or Wavelength, and even rates alongside Into the Music as being possibly His Second Best Album (first is never at issue, of course). Yes, he is often opaque and difficult in his relations with other human beings, but so was William Blake and W.B. Yeats and others of Van's own idols. Being an asshole should not be excused by being a genius, but it helps in the explanantion of it. Still, I don't want to sign a lease with him or marry him, I just want to listen to that music.
classic.
crankypage wrote:
Ahhh... it's so nice to hear something of Van's that's not on a greatest hits album. Yes, he's a jerk, a boob, inconsistent live, and possibly psychotic. But isn't this a truly great, epic song?
'Everybody feels so determined Not to feel anybody else's pain' This is one of the lesser tracks on St. Dominics, and that's saying something - the whole thing is brilliant from start to finish - runs 'Astral Weeks' a close second as his best, and even AW has one bum track. Who cares if he's an anti-social pain in the ass ?
still feels good
I've heard this song a bazillion times in the past, way back in the AOR radio days. Even so, I listened to it closely (for the first time?) today on RP, and noticed how sweet the pedal steel guitar parts are. Guess I hadn't really paid attention to the pedal steel in this song before. :clap:
crankypage wrote:
But isn't this a truly great, epic song?
it's pretty close! I love the twangy steel-pedal guitar effect.
Ahhh... it's so nice to hear something of Van's that's not on a greatest hits album. Yes, he's a jerk, a boob, inconsistent live, and possibly psychotic. But isn't this a truly great, epic song?
Thank you Bill!
Podge wrote:
You see, you could call Brendan Behan, James Joyce, Dylan Thomas, Shane MacGowan seedy drunks pretending to be poets. You could also call them geniuses. (Or is that genii?! :wink: )
Whatever. I'm just a seedy drunk who recognises what he is!
llazare wrote:
Yeah, you could never call Van "a seedy drunk pretending to be a poet", instead I'd call him "a narcissistic hard-assed old puss". Van's one of my musical heroes and I have more than 15 albums by him, but I sure wish geniuses like he and Joni Mitchell would just lighten up and stop talking about how everyone's ripped them off. Van and Joni need to take a chill pill.
You see, you could call Brendan Behan, James Joyce, Dylan Thomas, Shane MacGowan seedy drunks pretending to be poets. You could also call them geniuses. (Or is that genii?! :wink: )
I liked VM pretty good until he sang," It doesn't matter to which god you pray..." I know it's just HIS opinion, but that seems to be the whole POINT. It exactly matters. We need to know who/what we are "praying" to. Threw me off... (The little 'g' was on purpose.)
Businessgypsy wrote:
I have an acquaintance who worked as an A&R assistant at one of VM's former labels, and never missed an opportunity to rant about his poor people skills. Others have described concerts where VM had no control over his voice. Me, I don't care about any of that. I just really like these recordings. Oh yeah, Van Morrison refers to himself as a jazz singer, of all things. Just goes to show you, rarely pays to confuse the artist with the person.
I noted this on a different VM song... A great cartoon: Man, standing on a Dublin sidewalk, is reading a commemorative plaque on the wall of a building. Plaque reads: "Van Morrison was miserable here, June 23, 1974."
ForestElf2020 wrote:
I'm trying to figure out why I have trouble with Van Morrison. I know it is totally irrational. On an intellectual level, I recognize his mastery, but on a personal level, I feel neutral. (Dodging to the left as someone throws a tomato. "Hey, quit that! Those are perfectly good vegetables. Just hand them to me nicely! Oh, boy! Soup!")
Well....they'll be throwing the vegetables (and worse) at me now. I loathed VM from the first time I heard him on the radio. It's like I associate his music with food poisoning or rotting vegetables. Just one a those things.... (Ouch! Stop that!)
one can never go wrong playing Van Morrison :roflol: ">
drH wrote:
Perhaps Jim Morrison was "a seedy drunk pretending to be a poet". I'd call Van Morrison a delusional Irishman pretending to be a soul singer.
No he really is an Irishman. Although he's from Belfast so he carries a UK passport.
this is Van at his best...No doubt...
llazare wrote:
Yeah, you could never call Van "a seedy drunk pretending to be a poet", instead I'd call him "a narcissistic hard-assed old puss".
I have an acquaintance who worked as an A&R assistant at one of VM's former labels, and never missed an opportunity to rant about his poor people skills. Others have described concerts where VM had no control over his voice. Me, I don't care about any of that. I just really like these recordings. Oh yeah, Van Morrison refers to himself as a jazz singer, of all things. Just goes to show you, rarely pays to confuse the artist with the person.
Beautiful song, soulfully delivered. The Belfast Cowboy rides tall.