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Joni Mitchell — Dreamland
Album: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter
Avg rating:
5.3

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Total ratings: 1391









Released: 1977
Length: 4:36
Plays (last 30 days): 2
It's a long, long way from Canada
A long way from snow chains
Donkey vendors slicing coconut
No parkas to their name
Black babies covered in baking flour
The cook's got a carnival song
We're going to lay down someplace shady
With dreamland coming on
Dreamland, dreamland
Dreamland, dreamland

Walter Raleigh and Chris Columbus
Come marching out of the waves
And claim the beach and all concessions
In the name of the suntan slave
I wrapped that flag around me
Like a Dorothy Lamour sarong
And I lay down thinking national
With dreamland coming on
Dreamland, dreamland
Dreamland, dreamland

Goodtime Mary and a fortune hunter
All dressed up to follow the drums
Mary in a feather hula-hoop
Miss Fortune with a rose on her big game gun
All saints, all sinners shining
Heed those trumpets all night long
Propped up on a samba beat
With dreamland coming on
Dreamland, dreamland
Dreamland, dreamland

Tar baby and the Great White Wonder
Talking over a glass of rum
Burning on the inside
With the knowledge of things to come
There's gambling out on the terrace
And midnight ramblin' on the lawn
As they lead toward temptation
With dreamland coming on
Dreamland, dreamland
Dreamland, dreamland

In a plane flying back to winter
In shoes full of tropic sand
A lady in a foreign flag
On the arm of her Marlboro Man
The hawk howls in New York City
Six foot drifts on Myrtle's lawn
As they push the recline buttons down
With dreamland coming on
Dreamland, dreamland
Dreamland, dreamland

La, La ...
African sand on the trade winds
And the sun on the Amazon
As they push the reline buttons down
With dreamland coming on
Dreamland, dreamland
Dreamland, dreamland
Comments (205)add comment
 Dstiven wrote:
I'm usually a big fan of Joni's, but this song doesn't do it for me. It really gets on my nerves. And for some reason PSD doesn't work {#Neutral}
 
I love the imagery.
After the sheer annoyance of listening to her quavering voice wears off, one can begin to appreciate that Joni Mitchell's music does in fact serve a purpose, specifically to make all other music better by comparison.
I can't imagine another radio station playing this song. One big thing I love about RP!
It's not amongst my favorite joni songs but it's certainly more quality than a 5ish rating. 
Can't help but think Weather Report's "Teen Town" from Heavy Weather would be the perfect follow-up to this tune… really show off those Pastorius chops. 
Joni Mitchell and Tom Waits are nails on a chalkboard to my ears. Dylan only slightly better.  Please make it go away or find some way to do PSD in iTunes.
 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
It amuses me that the only Joni songs I have rated above a 2 or 3 are the ones everyone else hates. 
 

Personally, can’t stand any of them... especially this one....
This is such a great track from Joni. When I first became familiar with the song it was a cover by Roger McGuinn on the album "Cardiff Rose". Bill,it would be awesome to hear them back to back sometime. Just sayin'. {#Smile}
 Grammarcop wrote:

Hey, Shaky. There's a quote by Chaka Khan in the Feb. 24, 2019, NY Times that I'd like to share with you:

"I'm working on a Joni Mitchell project right now, who's a great friend. I have her blessing. I'm doing my favorite songs of Joni's. Not her hits -- the songs that have kept me alive on tour. When I'm on the bus, I always put on Joni Mitchell. She would revive me in a big way -- the music, the things she said, the philosopher in her. She's my favorite writer, singer-songwriter..."

It's okay if you don't like her. Tom Petty doesn't speak to me at all. But I think if you look a little deeper you will find her appeal crosses boundaries and she is appreciated more widely than you think. 
 
Prince too:
Prince’s love for Mitchell was hardly a secret. The back cover of 1981’s Controversy contains a newspaper headline that reads “★ Joni ★” and the Time’s third album, Ice Cream Castle, was named after a lyric from her “Both Sides Now.” In 1985, he told Rolling Stone that the “last album I loved all the way through was [her] The Hissing of Summer Lawns.” Two years later, Sign O’ the Times’ “The Ballad of Dorothy Parker” finds the narrator and the titular character listening to Mitchell’s hit “Help Me” on the radio (the line could also be a sly acknowledgement of another of her songs, “You Turn Me On, I’m a Radio”).
That's Chakha Khan singing with Joni... another of her big fans.

I was at a 1999 Joni tribute in Central Park when Chakha sang one of my favorites, "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow" 
I adore Joni and this is a fabulous album. That said, this track is not one of my faves; give me Jaco on the title track and I'll give it a 10. This at best an interesting experiment (and she's never shied from those).
This fusion just doesn’t work for me. It’s almost like she’s singing in an incompatible time signature relative to the music.
 shakylegs wrote:
Lily-white-ass middle-class middle-aged Canadian woman trying to get down with the homeboys. It doesn't work.
 
Hey, Shaky. There's a quote by Chaka Khan in the Feb. 24, 2019, NY Times that I'd like to share with you:

"I'm working on a Joni Mitchell project right now, who's a great friend. I have her blessing. I'm doing my favorite songs of Joni's. Not her hits -- the songs that have kept me alive on tour. When I'm on the bus, I always put on Joni Mitchell. She would revive me in a big way -- the music, the things she said, the philosopher in her. She's my favorite writer, singer-songwriter..."

It's okay if you don't like her. Tom Petty doesn't speak to me at all. But I think if you look a little deeper you will find her appeal crosses boundaries and she is appreciated more widely than you think. 
 jtherieau wrote:
I love Joni, I always have, but her songs are the WORST to make love to. For some reason, everything goes dead in the water in a few seconds.
 
Sounds like a personal problem to me!  LOL  sorry had to say it. ;-) 

Although I think you're probably right - better J smoking music than Love making for sure.  Long Live RP!!  (and I'm this  close to going 9 → 10 on this one)
It amuses me that the only Joni songs I have rated above a 2 or 3 are the ones everyone else hates. 
 ckcotton wrote:

I’m sure I’d be back before this is 1/2 over...
 
Keep walking.
 gmichaelt wrote:

Take a walk. Everyone benefits.
 
I’m sure I’d be back before this is 1/2 over...
when will it end?.........
What a rythm!!!! I was busy to something with much concentration, and suddenly surprised by being dancing on my chair while wrinting on my computer. Love it 
I'm usually a big fan of Joni's, but this song doesn't do it for me. It really gets on my nerves. And for some reason PSD doesn't work {#Neutral}
Horrible!
 dwhayslett wrote:
There are easier, better solutions for that than trying to screw it up for the rest of us.
 
Exactly.
Doncha just love the childish "If I don't like it then nobody gets to hear it" argument?
 ckcotton wrote:

Can't use PSD on streaming devices without web interface... the hope is that somehow the comments will convince a Bill to dump these turds from the playlists.

Im pretty sure it wont matter though. Been trying to get Tori Amos out of rotation for 10 years.... 

 
There are easier, better solutions for that than trying to screw it up for the rest of us.
Anything by Joni gets a 10 from me!
 jtherieau wrote:
I love Joni, I always have, but her songs are the WORST to make love to. For some reason, everything goes dead in the water in a few seconds.
 
You may be fixing on the aural. Stop doing that. Simple. Doesn't take a rocket doctor.
 ckcotton wrote:

Can't use PSD on streaming devices without web interface... the hope is that somehow the comments will convince a Bill to dump these turds from the playlists.

Im pretty sure it wont matter though. Been trying to get Tori Amos out of rotation for 10 years....
 
Take a walk. Everyone benefits.
 konakid wrote:

I totally agree, there is way too much negativity at play on these comment boards, Like Mama always says"If you haven't got anything good to say, don't say anything" And the PSD button is there for a reason.
 

 
Can't use PSD on streaming devices without web interface... the hope is that somehow the comments will convince a Bill to dump these turds from the playlists.

Im pretty sure it wont matter though. Been trying to get Tori Amos out of rotation for 10 years.... 
meh
not
her
best
Why all the Joni Mitchell? Give her a rest. 
I love Joni, I always have, but her songs are the WORST to make love to. For some reason, everything goes dead in the water in a few seconds.
Why?
 On_The_Beach wrote:

As opposed to "appropriating" the blues (also Africans, just enslaved ones), which pretty much every rock band in history did?

 
Yes, as opposed. The appropriation here is a form of minstrelsy whereas the blues appropriations were more adaptive and created Rock and Roll by mixing in other genres.
Did someone forget to say 'STOP'? 
 thewiseking wrote:
Never dug these African appropriations, whether by Joni, Paul Simon or whomever was doing the appropriating.
 
As opposed to "appropriating" the blues (also Africans, just enslaved ones), which pretty much every rock band in history did?
Never dug these African appropriations, whether by Joni, Paul Simon or whomever was doing the appropriating.
Read Joni Mitchel-In Her Own Words. 3 different interviews early mid and late career by a friend Malka Marom 
Joni is on a very different creative level to most, she bares her soul in her songs.  Great reading and they put in some of her lyrics and you realize their relevance and beauty. 
 konakid wrote:
Love this song! Love Joni! What a diverse artist she is. Thanks for reminding me of that quite often Bill and Rebecca! BTW if you haven't heard Rodger Mcgwinn's cover of this song I highly suggest checking it out. Happy 4/20/17 everybody!{#Bananasplit}

 
{#Cheers} Cheers and Aloha! I'll think of you when I'm having my Maui Wowie when I get home tonight!
Love this song! Love Joni! What a diverse artist she is. Thanks for reminding me of that quite often Bill and Rebecca! BTW if you haven't heard Rodger Mcgwinn's cover of this song I highly suggest checking it out. Happy 4/20/17 everybody!{#Bananasplit}
Dig it!  Thanks for the insight on the musicians Bill.  LOVE Jaco!
 hayduke2 wrote:
 Amen to all who love Joni. In the here and now and in the beyond. Amen I say.

Posted: Feb 24, 2017 - 09:15
 

 fedtho wrote:
My luck is I have a brother 9 years older than me; he had Joni's double live album "Shadows and light", with Jaco Pastorius, Michael Brecker, Don Alias, Pat Metheny.... the music just poured right into me, I was at home in there right away.
Their rendition of "Dreamland" is absolutely gorgeous. That's the first version I heard, so I can't help favoring it over the studio original - but the latter is very rich as well.

I will just say I'm convinced Joni Mitchell is an honest artist in that she's actually trying to express something she feels the need to express. She's not posing, she's not trying to sound like anyone. So I don't think the hate displayed here is the least bit founded.

Thanks to hayduke2 for reposting lemmoth's repost of cynaera's great post  {#Jump}

  
 lemmoth wrote:
Wise words from our dear departed friend:

 
Cynaera wrote:
I read a few comments about this song and Ms. Mitchell in general, and I'll just say that there are a few songs of hers that I don't listen to because I don't understand them. Mostly, though, I listen because I know there's something that I'm supposed to understand, and if I don't get it right away, I listen until I do get it, and I feel better, more strong, more smart, more of a human being as a result.

It's easy to write off her music. She doesn't fit into a particular genre or groove. She doesn't re-bend to fit the form.  Rather, she bends the form to fit.

I'm sorry if people have a problem with that, but I love her music - always have, always will. Sometimes, it's a struggle to understand her motive or her message, but I love the puzzle.  Such is the Joni that those who've followed her already know and embrace.

To those who are hearing her work for the first time, welcome to the wild. Forget everything you ever learned about music as you know it - you're about to walk into a realm where all the rules disappear and everything is possible.  To those who hate Ms. Mitchell's music part and parcel, I nod my head and watch you walk away, with no love lost.
  

Great music and beautiful people : ) 

 


 fedtho wrote:
My luck is I have a brother 9 years older than me; he had Joni's double live album "Shadows and light", with Jaco Pastorius, Michael Brecker, Don Alias, Pat Metheny.... the music just poured right into me, I was at home in there right away.
Their rendition of "Dreamland" is absolutely gorgeous. That's the first version I heard, so I can't help favoring it over the studio original - but the latter is very rich as well.

I will just say I'm convinced Joni Mitchell is an honest artist in that she's actually trying to express something she feels the need to express. She's not posing, she's not trying to sound like anyone. So I don't think the hate displayed here is the least bit founded.

Thanks to hayduke2 for reposting lemmoth's repost of cynaera's great post  {#Jump}

 
 lemmoth wrote:
Wise words from our dear departed friend:

 
Cynaera wrote:
I read a few comments about this song and Ms. Mitchell in general, and I'll just say that there are a few songs of hers that I don't listen to because I don't understand them. Mostly, though, I listen because I know there's something that I'm supposed to understand, and if I don't get it right away, I listen until I do get it, and I feel better, more strong, more smart, more of a human being as a result.

It's easy to write off her music. She doesn't fit into a particular genre or groove. She doesn't re-bend to fit the form.  Rather, she bends the form to fit.

I'm sorry if people have a problem with that, but I love her music - always have, always will. Sometimes, it's a struggle to understand her motive or her message, but I love the puzzle.  Such is the Joni that those who've followed her already know and embrace.

To those who are hearing her work for the first time, welcome to the wild. Forget everything you ever learned about music as you know it - you're about to walk into a realm where all the rules disappear and everything is possible.  To those who hate Ms. Mitchell's music part and parcel, I nod my head and watch you walk away, with no love lost.
  

Great music and beautiful people : ) 
 shakylegs wrote:
Lily-white-ass middle-class middle-aged Canadian woman trying to get down with the homeboys. It doesn't work.

 
That lily-white-ass Canadian woman lived in Detroit's notorious Cass Corridor from 1965-1967. It was a crime-ridden slum with a thriving art and music scene and lots of Bohemian excesses. I suspect that white Canadian woman learned a thing or two about music and life from the people you so quaintly call homeboys.

It took serious balls to move to the Cass Corridor in 1965. It was two years before the Detroit riot of 1967, and the rage was already at a boiling point in the African-American community. I have a little experience in the corridor. Take my word for it. 
 dewhead wrote:
I logged on so I could rate this song a 1. After logging on I discovered I had already previously rated it a 1. I wish I could rate it a -10. It's just awful and seems to go on forever. Sucko-barfo indeeed!

 
By itself, maybe it's not enjoyable, but I love that Don Juan album and this is part of it, so I think of it in that context.
Love Joni.  She's the real deal, although she may not be for everyone.
Taking skill down the path of vulnerability, risk, innovation. Joni is an artist through and through.
 I concur.
dewhead wrote:
I logged on so I could rate this song a 1. After logging on I discovered I had already previously rated it a 1. I wish I could rate it a -10. It's just awful and seems to go on forever. Sucko-barfo indeeed!

 


I logged on so I could rate this song a 1. After logging on I discovered I had already previously rated it a 1. I wish I could rate it a -10. It's just awful and seems to go on forever. Sucko-barfo indeeed!
 shakylegs wrote:
Lily-white-ass middle-class middle-aged Canadian woman trying to get down with the homeboys. It doesn't work.

 
Not only are you wrong but you're not showing much class.
 shakylegs wrote:
Lily-white-ass middle-class middle-aged Canadian woman trying to get down with the homeboys. It doesn't work.

 
1977. Not sure what the homeboys were up to then.
Lily-white-ass middle-class middle-aged Canadian woman trying to get down with the homeboys. It doesn't work.
Best of Joni.  I give it a 1.  Not a fan, sorry.
Every time I hear this I wonder when the intro is going to end and the song proper start playing. You'd think I'd be wiser by now.
 Derick210 wrote:
Does anyone know tUnE-yArDs? This seems like something that artist heard and said - today's audience could totally dig this tyPE of erratic, beat-driven sound. 
 
Good call. She totally owes Joni a debt.
 fedtho wrote:
My luck is I have a brother 9 years older than me; he had Joni's double live album "Shadows and light", with Jaco Pastorius, Michael Brecker, Don Alias, Pat Metheny.... the music just poured right into me, I was at home in there right away.

 
AND LYLE MAYS dammit. I don't know who he pissed off to be excluded every time someone mentions that album, but folks should know of his work. Brilliant stuff with Metheney - especially their "As Falls Wichita..." album. But his solo work and his TED performance are all mandatory.
My luck is I have a brother 9 years older than me; he had Joni's double live album "Shadows and light", with Jaco Pastorius, Michael Brecker, Don Alias, Pat Metheny.... the music just poured right into me, I was at home in there right away.
Their rendition of "Dreamland" is absolutely gorgeous. That's the first version I heard, so I can't help favoring it over the studio original - but the latter is very rich as well.

I will just say I'm convinced Joni Mitchell is an honest artist in that she's actually trying to express something she feels the need to express. She's not posing, she's not trying to sound like anyone. So I don't think the hate displayed here is the least bit founded.

Thanks to hayduke2 for reposting lemmoth's repost of cynaera's great post  {#Jump}
 lemmoth wrote:
Wise words from our dear departed friend:

 
Cynaera wrote:
I read a few comments about this song and Ms. Mitchell in general, and I'll just say that there are a few songs of hers that I don't listen to because I don't understand them. Mostly, though, I listen because I know there's something that I'm supposed to understand, and if I don't get it right away, I listen until I do get it, and I feel better, more strong, more smart, more of a human being as a result.

It's easy to write off her music. She doesn't fit into a particular genre or groove. She doesn't re-bend to fit the form.  Rather, she bends the form to fit.

I'm sorry if people have a problem with that, but I love her music - always have, always will. Sometimes, it's a struggle to understand her motive or her message, but I love the puzzle.  Such is the Joni that those who've followed her already know and embrace.

To those who are hearing her work for the first time, welcome to the wild. Forget everything you ever learned about music as you know it - you're about to walk into a realm where all the rules disappear and everything is possible.  To those who hate Ms. Mitchell's music part and parcel, I nod my head and watch you walk away, with no love lost.
 

 
great piece of music  : )
 FlatCat wrote:Yep,Both. Dream on Dreamland.
Is the chorus saying "Dream Land" or "Dream on"?

 


Jaco played bass on this great album. He did for bass what The Beatles did for song writing.
 lososs wrote:
 aspicer wrote:
Digging it - surprised by the low rating.  


{#Music} 
indeed!



 
May be a connection between this low rating and the high ratings some of the country muzak gets...
 sirtezza wrote:
The Joni bashing here is bewildering/depressing. is it fashionable somewhere?
If it's not to your taste just hit the PSD button and move on. 
Some of the comments are just simple nastiness.

 
I totally agree, there is way too much negativity at play on these comment boards, Like Mama always says"If you haven't got anything good to say, don't say anything" And the PSD button is there for a reason.
 
dig Chaka Khan's bg vox 
The Joni bashing here is bewildering/depressing. is it fashionable somewhere?
If it's not to your taste just hit the PSD button and move on. 
Some of the comments are just simple nastiness.
More like Nightmare Land
2 ->1 geez this is just horrible
Got to hand it to Joni for consistency: she doesn't improve with age.
 I agree wholeheartedly.  Never heard this before, and don't know what to make of it.  Methinks I need a few more listens to fully make up my mind.

milleronic wrote:
Wow. Don't know if I love this or hate this. Anyway, RP pulls through in playing something I've never heard before.

 


The station enjoys a pretty user friendly GUI.
Need an auto 'PSD' for anytime Joni Mitchell is played.
 ShoePuke wrote:
I am a bit shocked by the use of 'tarbaby' and other slurs...

 
And Joni dressed like a black man on the album cover. Sounds like she's gotten your attention as planned.
Me, I love this album. 
Does anyone know tUnE-yArDs? This seems like something that artist heard and said - today's audience could totally dig this tyPE of erratic, beat-driven sound. 
I love particularly the percussions on this song!!!!! {#Smile}
Is the chorus saying "Dream Land" or "Dream on"?
Wow. Don't know if I love this or hate this. Anyway, RP pulls through in playing something I've never heard before.
{#Sleep}
 aspicer wrote:
Digging it - surprised by the low rating.  


{#Music} 
indeed!


I am a bit shocked by the use of 'tarbaby' and other slurs...
Digging it - surprised by the low rating.  
Nice!
 On_The_Beach wrote:
Kudos to Bill for playing some of Joni's more "challenging" work, despite the incessant whining of the haters. This is part of what made her great; she didn't pander to the masses.
Indeed. 


This song is worth a listen just for the album name...
Kudos to Bill for playing some of Joni's more "challenging" work, despite the incessant whining of the haters. This is part of what made her great; she didn't pander to the masses.
Painfully repetitve
 Aural_not_Oral wrote:
I like a lot of Joni Mitchell, but not this one so much.

I heard Roger McGuinn's version of this song on an 'album' I bought long ago, and loved it.
A very different rendition.
Roger McGuinn : 'Cardiff Rose' album of 1976.
You can hear it on youtube.   hold out for the sax at the end, nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3oePYTiCUk

 
Interesting. Normally I want to punch her in the face, but I really like this song. She's just plain singing (not playing those games with her voice that so annoy me normally), and the song is cool.
 Aural_not_Oral wrote:

Thats interesting because I like this one more than many of her others. Maybe because if the African background like Graceland.
I like a lot of Joni Mitchell, but not this one so much.

I heard Roger McGuinn's version of this song on an 'album' I bought long ago, and loved it.
A very different rendition.
Roger McGuinn : 'Cardiff Rose' album of 1976.
You can hear it on youtube.   hold out for the sax at the end, nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3oePYTiCUk

 


I like a lot of Joni Mitchell, but not this one so much.

I heard Roger McGuinn's version of this song on an 'album' I bought long ago, and loved it.
A very different rendition.
Roger McGuinn : 'Cardiff Rose' album of 1976.
You can hear it on youtube.   hold out for the sax at the end, nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3oePYTiCUk
Hey Bill - solid seven from a fellow canuck. It is good to buck the trend now and then.  Joni is a marvel by any standard.  Cheers!  
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

Thanks, hadn't heard this for a few years. There isn't a Joni Mitchell album I don't own, but have to admit that when her mid 70's style was changing, I had a hard time listening. Like many good things in the world, revisiting her later albums helped me appreciate more how awesome her music is. Wish she would release prints for her paintings though, Joni is an awesome painter. Ok, she's also an awesome poet as well.
If you've never heard The Hissing of Summer Lawns, that's another great album. Joy to the world, is it coming on Christmas yet? 


Not my favorite Joni song either, but buck the consensus all you want Bill(re: your post set comment). That's why we listen.

And since we now have PSD, why gripe?

Well,except for Natalie Merchant,REM and the Dead.
GODLIKE. A solid 10 from me.
This whole album is breathtaking.
no more at 4.9! Ijust bumped it to 5 with my vote.
 

scrubbrush wrote:
yikes. over 400 ratings and still less than a 5... maybe time to retire this one.

 


Watched Joni play a version of this live in late 1976 at Tanglewood (Western Massachusetts).  We almost got up and left.
 lemmoth wrote:
Wise words from our dear departed friend:

 
Cynaera wrote:
I read a few comments about this song and Ms. Mitchell in general, and I'll just say that there are a few songs of hers that I don't listen to because I don't understand them. Mostly, though, I listen because I know there's something that I'm supposed to understand, and if I don't get it right away, I listen until I do get it, and I feel better, more strong, more smart, more of a human being as a result.

It's easy to write off her music. She doesn't fit into a particular genre or groove. She doesn't re-bend to fit the form.  Rather, she bends the form to fit.

I'm sorry if people have a problem with that, but I love her music - always have, always will. Sometimes, it's a struggle to understand her motive or her message, but I love the puzzle.  Such is the Joni that those who've followed her already know and embrace.

To those who are hearing her work for the first time, welcome to the wild. Forget everything you ever learned about music as you know it - you're about to walk into a realm where all the rules disappear and everything is possible.  To those who hate Ms. Mitchell's music part and parcel, I nod my head and watch you walk away, with no love lost.
 
 

Excellent!!  Thank you for the posting.
 lemmoth wrote:
More Joni.  A true innovator and musical giant.
 
Indeed. Glad you posted the Cynaera comment. That says it all. 
This was my go to, late night, headphones album for years, just for the hypnotic bass of the great Jaco Pastorius.
This is pretty awful. Not sure why she gets so much kudos.
I'm not a long, long way from Canada from where I sit. I can see it from my front porch!
 Yeoleman wrote:
She wrote this way before Paul Simon wrote Graceland, yet he gets all the credit for "discovering" South African music and musicians...
 
He gets all the blame, too. As though bringing some excellent artists to the attention of people who would otherwise never have heard them is something to be embarrassed about. Musicians swap ideas all the time. If they didn't, we wouldn't have blues, jazz, or rock.
She wrote this way before Paul Simon wrote Graceland, yet he gets all the credit for "discovering" South African music and musicians...
Joni *yawn* Mitchell
Wise words from our dear departed friend:

 
Cynaera wrote:
I read a few comments about this song and Ms. Mitchell in general, and I'll just say that there are a few songs of hers that I don't listen to because I don't understand them. Mostly, though, I listen because I know there's something that I'm supposed to understand, and if I don't get it right away, I listen until I do get it, and I feel better, more strong, more smart, more of a human being as a result.

It's easy to write off her music. She doesn't fit into a particular genre or groove. She doesn't re-bend to fit the form.  Rather, she bends the form to fit.

I'm sorry if people have a problem with that, but I love her music - always have, always will. Sometimes, it's a struggle to understand her motive or her message, but I love the puzzle.  Such is the Joni that those who've followed her already know and embrace.

To those who are hearing her work for the first time, welcome to the wild. Forget everything you ever learned about music as you know it - you're about to walk into a realm where all the rules disappear and everything is possible.  To those who hate Ms. Mitchell's music part and parcel, I nod my head and watch you walk away, with no love lost.
 


More Joni.  A true innovator and musical giant.
Is this going to be over soon? Please.
Trying too hard.  To do what I don't know, but really, trying too hard. 
blah
If ever there was an artist I wish I could impress with my own meager attempts at song writing and poetry it would be Joni.  It has taken me years to catch up with her experimentation — her music often travels to places where most of us have yet to go.  This song is such a path.  Be patient.  You will find your way to the place this is from.
Her voice sends me to Dreamland .... and should never be retired from RP.

(btw, Dreamland is a killer barbecue joint, but I don't think that's what she's singing about.)

yikes. over 400 ratings and still less than a 5... maybe time to retire this one.

Yeah, so damn right! ^^ sucko barfo!!

 
d-don wrote:

Where's the fast forward button?


 


Where's the fast forward button?


Wow, Bill !
A Canadian set with two of the best (Joni following Bruce Cockburn).
Not much love here for this one, but it's a solid 9 for me and Bruce gets a 10.

Interesting how many good poets we put out (Joni Mitchell, Bruce Cockburn, Neil Young, Leonard Cohen). Maybe it's because we spend six months a year indoors trying to keep warm. Lots of time for thinking.

GO CANADA!
 Randomax wrote:


No one ever said Joni was nice-nice....just like her music she is on another plane.  I personally don't care if I met her on the street if she were nice to me or not...I care about what she has created....I saw her in Houston when I was quite young (YEARS ago!)....she left 1/2 way through because the red necks wouldn't stop yelling Rock and Roll.....a lot of folks were mad she left....I completely understood.
And, IMHO, she at least has a good REASON to be condenscending if she wants....so many "artists" don't have a reason but are mean anyway.
 

I'm not denying her talent, as I said in my post. I can dislike an artist personally and still appreciate the work they've created. As for:

"she at least has a good REASON to be condenscending if she wants"

Do you really believe that? Is talent, in and of itself, justification to belittle others not as gifted?  That's just rubbish.

I really like a lot of her stuff. This, not so much.
 chyk5 wrote:

Thanks for posting this. I just read a biography on Warren Zevon, who met her on a couple of occasions, and she was very condescending towards him. I can't deny she's talented, but I'm beginning to really dislike her.

 

No one ever said Joni was nice-nice....just like her music she is on another plane.  I personally don't care if I met her on the street if she were nice to me or not...I care about what she has created....I saw her in Houston when I was quite young (YEARS ago!)....she left 1/2 way through because the red necks wouldn't stop yelling Rock and Roll.....a lot of folks were mad she left....I completely understood.
And, IMHO, she at least has a good REASON to be condenscending if she wants....so many "artists" don't have a reason but are mean anyway.
 Cynaera wrote:
I read a few comments about this song and Ms. Mitchell in general . . . (see full post below)
 
Nicely said, Cynaera.  {#Cheers}
I read a few comments about this song and Ms. Mitchell in general, and I'll just say that there are a few songs of hers that I don't listen to because I don't understand them. Mostly, though, I listen because I know there's something that I'm supposed to understand, and if I don't get it right away, I listen until I do get it, and I feel better, more strong, more smart, more of a human being as a result.

It's easy to write off her music. She doesn't fit into a particular genre or groove. She doesn't re-bend to fit the form.  Rather, she bends the form to fit.

I'm sorry if people have a problem with that, but I love her music - always have, always will. Sometimes, it's a struggle to understand her motive or her message, but I love the puzzle.  Such is the Joni that those who've followed her already know and embrace.

To those who are hearing her work for the first time, welcome to the wild. Forget everything you ever learned about music as you know it - you're about to walk into a realm where all the rules disappear and everything is possible.  To those who hate Ms. Mitchell's music part and parcel, I nod my head and watch you walk away, with no love lost.


 sharkey wrote:

Bitter old tart.

Mitchell: Dylan's a ‘fake'

‘Bob is a deception,' musician tells L.A. Times



Read more: https://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/36741933/ns/entertainment-music/#ixzz0mJhrzdGS

"This is Joni Mitchell reacting to the sad reality that her time is long past and no one really cares about her. Attacking people like Dylan affords her a little bit of sunshine in an otherwise drab existence but this sunshine will quickly fade to black. Bitter, huh?"

 
Thanks for posting this. I just read a biography on Warren Zevon, who met her on a couple of occasions, and she was very condescending towards him. I can't deny she's talented, but I'm beginning to really dislike her.

Cool  - a set of Canadians!
The "sambista" Joni Mitchell. Those drums are from an autentic brazilian Escola de Samba. Tag: Brazil in Paradise.  
Joni has made me forget a lot of things that were so painful I never thought I'd be able to forget them. She's made me realize a lot of things I didn't know I knew. She, like Jackson Browne and Neil Young, has pulled me through some tough times, and has given me music to which I can rejoice.

Joni is ageless and timeless, and her music resonates, whether negatively or positively. Me?  I just love her. If Bill would play the entire "Court And Spark" CD, I would die happy. {#Daisy}
 Odyzzeuz wrote:
Noise salad.

 

 

Hilarious!