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Michael Franti & Spearhead — Time to Go Home
Album: Yell Fire!
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6.8

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Total ratings: 1374









Released: 2006
Length: 4:54
Plays (last 30 days): 1
Those who start wars, never fight them
And those who fight wars, they never like them
And those who write laws, can recite them
And those who fight laws, they live and die by them

But I know its time
Yes I know its time
It's time to go home
It's time to go home
It's time to go home
It's time to go home

Don't take our boys away
Don't take our girls away
Don't take our boys away
Don't take our girls away

Those who build walls are pretending
That forever they can defend them
Those who dam streams can build fountains
Those of us who just let them run free
Can move mountains

But I know its time
Time To Go Home
Yes I know its time
It's time to go home
It's time to go home
It's time to go home
It's time to go home

And I say, you whoooo
you whoooo who who who, you whoooo who who who

Doves fly by in the morning light
Leaves fall down on a passer by
Phone call comes and a mamma cries
Tears stream down from a daddy's eyes(X2)

But I know its time
Yes I know its time
It's time to go home
It's time to go home
It's time to go home
It's time to go home
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I think this is amazing tune with very cool lyrics
I bumped my rating from 4→7 - not sure why my mood was so low when I gave it the 4....lyrics/message are right up my alley....thanks BnR!!~ and Long Live RP!!
 Yeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!SquiddlyDiddly wrote:
10 for the lyrics
10 for the tune
10 for the artist
10 for RP for playing this 

 

 25demayo wrote:
 So people like you could sit in your armchair and post critical comments on RP. 

 
people like you like you divide random strangers into "people like you" and "people like me" on the basis of a single comment.
 SuperWeh wrote:

So basically you didn't like your work? Why did you do it then?

Mike Franti always comes across like a teenage armchair rebel to me, I feel there's a shallowness to his lyrics.

  So people like you could sit in your armchair and post critical comments on RP. 
Diggin' it!{#Bananajam}
 maxjboxer wrote:

It's almost like it was more about WHO was in office than what they were doing.
Hypocrisy definition, a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess

 

Somebody gets it.
 {#Drunk}thewiseking wrote:
The vocals and arrangement sound like the crap you hear in a Disney cartoon. Kinda like "Under The Sea" but with a pissed off whiteboy with dreadlocks spitting out venom

 
clueless you are {#Frustrated}
A MUST SEE gig live....seriously good.
God Bless this man!  His soul, his message, his spirit...all authentic. 
I have read a few people call Mr. Franti a 'white boy with dreadlocks.' Something at the tip of my spine knew that wasn't quite right...
Wikipedia had the most concise breakdown:

"His mother had Irish, German, and French ancestry, and his father, Thomas Hopkins, was of African-American and Native American descent."

And, where exactly is the line between hip-hop and reggae? This one's blurry to my ears...
The vocals and arrangement sound like the crap you hear in a Disney cartoon. Kinda like "Under The Sea" but with a pissed off whiteboy with dreadlocks spitting out venom
10 for the lyrics
10 for the tune
10 for the artist
10 for RP for playing this 
Reggae = PSD
 SeriousLee wrote:
Not a big fan of reggae. I have the unfortunate pleasure of hitting a reggae song when i turn RP on, or one that will soon play. Today it was the 2nd one.

 
And yet, this is not really reggae, is it? The neighbors over the fence from my house play lots of Jamaican reggae at high volume with great frequency. That's the real thing and this is not. The best analogy I ever heard was to American hillbilly music (not a pejorative comment). There are some similarities. 
Not a big fan of reggae. I have the unfortunate pleasure of hitting a reggae song when i turn RP on, or one that will soon play. Today it was the 2nd one.
 AbileneTexas wrote:
Never heard this band before now.  Really enjoyed this track.  Thanks RP!
 
Spearhead, one of my favorite  band, very nice!
Never heard this band before now.  Really enjoyed this track.  Thanks RP!
Currently going through M.F. withdrawls.......since his show here 2 weeks ago. Thanks for playing this!!!!!
Now what if Tori Amos and Michael Franti, the two most annoying artists of RP would do a duet?
Oy, it's the white kids with dreadlocks. TRUSTAFARI!
Why is it that we don't hear many political songs nowadays? The need is greater than ever.

Is it just because 'protest' songs don't sell? Or is it because people don't like to be reminded of all the horrors of the world they live in? 
 unclehud wrote:

I am a six-year Navy vet, and I think he is precisely right: those who fight wars never like them.  Ask any vet if they think war is a good way to spend a nation's money and children.  Wanna bet how they will answer?

Apparently, you've chosen a life outside the armed services.

 
So basically you didn't like your work? Why did you do it then?

Mike Franti always comes across like a teenage armchair rebel to me, I feel there's a shallowness to his lyrics.
I don't listen to lyrics. Great tune. Great vibe. Time to party.
 Hannio wrote:
Recent headline: 


14 Principled Anti-War Celebrities We Fear May Have Been Kidnapped

Our government is yet again marching us towards a war of choice in the Middle East and our non-partisan, peace-loving celebrities have gone missing since late 2008. We fear the worst.



 
It's almost like it was more about WHO was in office than what they were doing.
Hypocrisy definition, a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess
That is either surreal, sad or for real ... But not funny ... Fact check, anyone?
 countryrds wrote:

https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html


 


 Hannio wrote:
Recent headline: 


14 Principled Anti-War Celebrities We Fear May Have Been Kidnapped

Our government is yet again marching us towards a war of choice in the Middle East and our non-partisan, peace-loving celebrities have gone missing since late 2008. We fear the worst.



 
MSNBC?
 Hannio wrote:
Recent headline: 


14 Principled Anti-War Celebrities We Fear May Have Been Kidnapped

Our government is yet again marching us towards a war of choice in the Middle East and our non-partisan, peace-loving celebrities have gone missing since late 2008. We fear the worst.



 
Have you been reading the tabloids at the check out counter again??
Recent headline: 


14 Principled Anti-War Celebrities We Fear May Have Been Kidnapped

Our government is yet again marching us towards a war of choice in the Middle East and our non-partisan, peace-loving celebrities have gone missing since late 2008. We fear the worst.


 unclehud wrote:

I am a six-year Navy vet, and I think he is precisely right: those who fight wars never like them.  Ask any vet if they think war is a good way to spend a nation's money and children.  Wanna bet how they will answer?

Apparently, you've chosen a life outside the armed services.

 
unclehud:  Thank you for your service!  I agree with your sentiment here, as it has been my experience as well:  None that have been involved in military conflict, of any sort, enjoy them.  Therefore, I do feel the debated lyrics by Franti are accurate.
 stegokitty wrote:
If I never heard another Reggae song it'd be too soon.

 
Halfway through the song changes style to rock. Try enjoying that bit.

RP folk are really, really down on reggae....
Good song.  Good lyrics.
If I never heard another Reggae song it'd be too soon.

Catchy tune and you can dance to it!


 listen_n_sf wrote:
"Those who fight wars never like them"

Is that from a 4th graders book report? 
 
I am a six-year Navy vet, and I think he is precisely right: those who fight wars never like them.  Ask any vet if they think war is a good way to spend a nation's money and children.  Wanna bet how they will answer?

Apparently, you've chosen a life outside the armed services.
 Bull

This is about Empire and control of others' resources. 

Michael is right this is no more right or legal or ethical or moral than what the so-called evil ones do.

MiracleDrug wrote:
yeah yeah Mike...

there's these little matters we call:

NATIONAL SELF-INTEREST/DEFENSE

SELF DETERMINATION/SOVEREIGNTY
 


NO WAR!!!  Well, except warfare by drone aircraft so only the bad guys get killed and only if the prez is a democrat.
Thanks, jah_blessed, for the upload, and many others I enjoy, as well. This is one I recall from my first visit to RP and have upgraded my rating ever since. For me, it's timeless.
..wouldja categorize this as reggae-plus?..whatever the case, i'm diggin' it..
He played in Boston last weekend
Always a super show... 
 1wolfy wrote:
I am liking this groove.  This guy has some great stuff.  Tough to sit still with this playing

 

 

Hear! Hear!  

 

Funny enough, this CD would make great party music.  

 

And, yes, as a person who grew up listening to military occupation stories and is terribly proud of his capo terrorist grandfather, I'm a little more than sympathetic to calls to self-determination.  


7—>8
 logic wrote:

4:20mt today, too...  Nice.

 
Sneaky - it's 4:20 a.m. PST right now as it's being played (7:20 in sunny Philadelphia).  I think three times rules out any chance that it is a coincidence.

{#Cowboy} 
yeah yeah Mike...

there's these little matters we call:

NATIONAL SELF-INTEREST/DEFENSE

SELF DETERMINATION/SOVEREIGNTY
yes!
Very Great Stuff
Nice!
Jelani wrote:
Oh, shut it Frante.
 
oh shut it Jelani...

How's the 800 billion fiasco and 5000 lives we lost over the last 8 years doing for you?... if there's one time this song is relevant it's now (along with CSNY's Deja Vu) - great set Bill...




Great song off a very strong album...keep it coming!
Oh, shut it Frante.
Nice bass.
 pdxrlk wrote:
Putting aside the politics for the moment - must every reggae song share the EXACT.... SAME....BEAT ?     {#Eyes}   There's not enough pot in the world to make it sound original.
  Speak for yourself - as far as I'm concerned, there's not enough pot.

Here's an article I wrote for the local newspaper when I was free-lancing. Of course, it didn't get published, but it's a true story...
I'm starting to really appreciate the counter-syncopation of reggae music. "Ghetto of my Mind" by Rickie Lee Jones reminded me of Bob Marley and the Wailers. Dang - the man died too soon. I remember the first time I ever heard reggae. I was in a bar called the RanchInn, in Elko, and every Friday and Saturday night, it had live music. I'd just gotten off work early to meet a friend there for a drink. There was a cheesy lounge-lizard act doing horrible '70's covers. Suddenly, they began this sort of herky-jerky rhythm on bass and the dance floor cleared. It was "Jammin'" by Bob Marley. It was reggae, and no one in the backward little town of Elko knew how the hell to dance to it. Except for one guy - a slightly overweight, bookish-preppie-looking guy named Chris Valentine and wouldn't you know he figured I'd be the perfect dance partner? I was too polite to decline and too mortified to give it much thought.

Once we were out there on the floor, I watched Chris for a moment. He had the perfect dance steps for reggae - moving with the off-beat. I closed my eyes, began to feel the music, and before I knew it, I was the first girl in Elko to dance to reggae.

It took a week to get the tar and feathers out of my hair.

 



Obscured by layers of b.s....and tired of it ! Anyone speaking the truth can't make it on the balot. They are labeled as lunatics.  What is one to do ? fredriley wrote:

A simple truth is still true. It's the spinmeisters and warmongers who add layers of complexity to obscure the essential reality of war to suit their own ends and pull the wool over our eyes.

 

 pdxrlk wrote:
There's not enough pot in the world to make it sound original.
 
Have you attempted to substantiate that claim?  I suspect you'd change your mind after only a small percentage of the world's supply ...
 erichb wrote:
Michael Franti being played on RP at 4:20 CST.  Nice.
 
4:20mt today, too...  Nice.

love his tunes <3

I am liking this groove.  This guy has some great stuff.  Tough to sit still with this playing

 fredriley wrote:

A simple truth is still true. It's the spinmeisters and warmongers who add layers of complexity to obscure the essential reality of war to suit their own ends and pull the wool over our eyes.

 
nicely put.


 philbertr wrote:

In foreign policy the hopey-changey thing is working quite nicely, thank you.  (Can't think of an unnecessary war started recently, fer instance.)  Things aren't perfect, certainly, but are definitely much better. 

 

Heh.
 listen_n_sf wrote:
"Those who fight wars never like them"

Is that from a 4th graders book report? 
 
A simple truth is still true. It's the spinmeisters and warmongers who add layers of complexity to obscure the essential reality of war to suit their own ends and pull the wool over our eyes.

"Those who fight wars never like them"

Is that from a 4th graders book report? 
 SmackDaddy wrote:


So how's that whole "being an idiot all your life" working out for you?
 
That "hopey, changy" thing saved us from a depression.

 Hannio wrote:


So.  How's that hopey-changey thing working our for ya?
 

So how's that whole "being an idiot all your life" working out for you?
 tomis wrote:
This is what good music is about, head-boppin' and with a message of real substance.
 
Yup. Agitprop you can dance to. In that sense, Franti is in the same tradition as The Clash, The The, and Thievery Corporation.

 Hannio wrote:


So.  How's that hopey-changey thing working our for ya?
 
In foreign policy the hopey-changey thing is working quite nicely, thank you.  (Can't think of an unnecessary war started recently, fer instance.)  Things aren't perfect, certainly, but are definitely much better. 

In domestic policy, not so much.  But then it is awfully hard to effect change when the 'Publicans (and sinners) have a policy of saying "No" to EVERYTHING (even programs, such as the health care reform which THEY originally proposed.) 

So, do I regret having Obama in the White House instead of McCain?  What do you think? 


ambrebalte wrote:
Quite interesting to listen to this in a period of time when the great migration to the country side has started here...   
Thanks for the insight into your world, and a reminder that a song can outgrow its composer's intent to encompass wider meanings. Riding my bike to a Franti concert on the beach today, I'll remember that the whole world is not as fortunate and remain thankful and mindful.

Cool Voice, nice Rhythm


The music Bill has been playing today seems to fit my overall mood.
Michael Franti being played on RP at 4:20 CST.  Nice.
This is what good music is about, head-boppin' and with a message of real substance.

Nice energy.

 

Puts me back in the townships of the Republic.


Artists I know personally get 9's, no exceptions.
 fredriley wrote:

For the same reason that all blues is based on 12-bar phrases - because it wouldn't be blues if it weren't 12-bar. Similarly, reggae without a reggae beat wouldn't be reggae. For all that, there's a lot of variation in such musical genres, the same as composers like Mozart and Chopin found variation within prescriptive 'concerto form'.

 
well said fredriley
for some new reggae variation, check out LIONIZE   https://lionizemusic.com/
"If the first victim of war is innocence, then perhaps with each bullet fired, bomb detonated, leader overthrown, wall built, economy destroyed and family member killed, we are not creating goodwill and harmony, but rather another child who believes violence is the only means to bring about change in the world." - Michael Franti

Power to the peaceful and much love to the Frantiman and all his freaky followers.
 pdxrlk wrote:
Putting aside the politics for the moment - must every reggae song share the EXACT.... SAME....BEAT ?   

 
For the same reason that all blues is based on 12-bar phrases - because it wouldn't be blues if it weren't 12-bar. Similarly, reggae without a reggae beat wouldn't be reggae. For all that, there's a lot of variation in such musical genres, the same as composers like Mozart and Chopin found variation within prescriptive 'concerto form'.

Putting aside the politics for the moment - must every reggae song share the EXACT.... SAME....BEAT ?     {#Eyes}   There's not enough pot in the world to make it sound original.


Quite interesting to listen to this in a period of time when the great migration to the country side has started here, in Beijing, and the railway stations, bus stations, airports begin to be packed because of the Sping Festival big return.

Not the same meaning as in the song, yet, in times when every 4 graduated students on 5 didn't find a job and is camping in the suburb of Beijing in the worst conditions ever -shelter, no sanitation, little food, temperatures below zero- because going back home is impossible: its' another war and it leaves millions of people on the sideroads. What is the most frightening in this situation is that they could probably create their own jobs in the country side where there is a huge lack of upper and middle mangement, and creators. But their own families only value the success gained outside, preferably in the legendary cities, and of course Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou area are the ultimate myths.
That's why they sacrified their lives, paying huge tuition fees for their only child to be a success in the city. This song, has this meaning to me, when I am in this area and see the thousands of students - some say ten thousand- being lost.
And from what I've heard, Beijing is not the only city where this occurs.
Edit : By reading older comments here I realized I definitely totally missed the point - I didn't think about THIS war whatsoever.
I love RP: it's one of these places where I've seen people posting comments with totally opposed point of views without to go to extremes, even keeping a sense of humor and not fuelling the grudge.  

builds nicely, pretty good tune
the thing with Radio Paradise is that you can't just write a comment about one particular song without considering it in the context of the entire set ... that's what's so cool about RP ... before this was Dylan — Positively 4th St ... 'you gotta a lotta nerve ..."
I can feel the love in these comments....

Bill, can you find a pro-war song to make some of these people happy?
 LowPhreak wrote:

Why is being angry an "issue"? It's often a legitimate response.

Quit jumping on easy cliche's, k?  
 
The cliche' is using anger as a means to deal with a problem. That's an adolescent, talentless, inarticulate way to address things.

Anger = lack of acceptance of the situation, refusing to acknowledge that - good or bad or neutral - the situation just is. You can get as angry as you want, and the situation has not changed one bit - but now you're not thinking clearly anymore, and so you can't address it thoughtfully through your anger.

Once you calm down, you're more able to think of a reasonable way to change it from what it is (which may be wrong) to something else, to something more right.

The easy cliche' is anger.


End Obama's war!
 philbertr wrote:


Well!  I guess we know now how Bush's extensive foreign policy experience served him while in the White House.  His results were SOOOOOOOO much better than that pussy Clinton! 

 

So.  How's that hopey-changey thing working our for ya?
 scraig wrote:
Bill, make it stop! The intro just played/skipped a dozen times...ARRGH!
 
yes

Bill, make it stop! The intro just played/skipped a dozen times...ARRGH!
 conglif wrote:
It's really too bad that political government doesn't work the way music does.

If it did, I could like what I like, and you could like what you like, and we could listen to it together or separately (or not at all).

And no matter how popular or unpopular it was, a song would only have jurisdiction over those who chose to listen.

 - But the bottom line is that political government is a system by which the "Top 40" holds a gun to your head and makes you dance.

...And now for your dining and dancing pleasure...

In the entire history of the United States, only 19 people have ever been twice issued the Medal of Honor.

One of them wrote this (in 1935):

War is a Racket!
  ( click here )

 
Hear! Hear!
("The Fighting Quaker" - now there's a contradiction in terms!)


{#Moon}morons miss the point............all others keep listening   war sucks

 Jelani wrote:
Shut up you poser dumbass.
And put your damned shoes back on!
Your feet stink as much as your songs.
 
Yea, he's a poser, the way he went and toured Iraq.  You?

:)

 
 Jelani wrote:
Shut up you poser dumbass.
And put your damned shoes back on!
Your feet stink as much as your songs.
 
Good thing you're only stuck with your own foot in your mouth

 lattalo wrote:

You have anger issues my friend!
 
Why is being angry an "issue"? It's often a legitimate response.

Quit jumping on easy cliche's, k?  
 JoBo wrote:
Michael Franti rates high on my list .... more Michael, please!! 
 

I second that!  More Michael Franti, please!!
Michael Franti rates high on my list .... more Michael, please!! 
 Jelani wrote:
Shut up you poser dumbass.
And put your damned shoes back on!
Your feet stink as much as your songs.
 
You have anger issues my friend!

 Jelani wrote:
Michael Franti is the music worlds' equivalent of this guy...https://ph.news.yahoo.com/afp/20090512/tts-health-india-gender-offbeat-9819610.html
 
holy cats.  While I have no way of knowing, having never stood within smelling range of MF, that is a wacky Indian dude. (7 for the song)


Michael Franti is the music worlds' equivalent of this guy...https://ph.news.yahoo.com/afp/20090512/tts-health-india-gender-offbeat-9819610.html
Tell it like it is Michael!!  You move me and many others who believe.
Shut up you poser dumbass.
And put your damned shoes back on!
Your feet stink as much as your songs.
It's really too bad that political government doesn't work the way music does.

If it did, I could like what I like, and you could like what you like, and we could listen to it together or separately (or not at all).

And no matter how popular or unpopular it was, a song would only have jurisdiction over those who chose to listen.

 - But the bottom line is that political government is a system by which the "Top 40" holds a gun to your head and makes you dance.

...And now for your dining and dancing pleasure...

In the entire history of the United States, only 19 people have ever been twice issued the Medal of Honor.

One of them wrote this (in 1935):

War is a Racket!
  ( click here )

 gobits wrote:
Jeez! will you guys get over yourselves. There are plenty of forums out there for you to spew political vitriol. Lets focus on the music puhleeze!  ...which in this case happens to be pretty good!  {#Eek} {#Moon}   {#Good-vibes}

 
The music in this case happens to be political.  If you don't want to see political vitriol, please don't check the comments when a Michael Franti song is playing...  the emoticons you save may be your own.

 conglif wrote:
> Absolutely agree with fredriley.

> If I had to represent Ukraine and choose between two Imperialisms - US or Russia,
> I would probably choose to be a part of European multi-national forces.

Who was more in favor of the Jews, The Nazis or the PLO?

 
Templiers

 Alpine wrote:


10 months into Bush's 1st term. Hardly enough time rub out the shadow of that pussy Clinton's lack of foreign policy.
 

Well!  I guess we know now how Bush's extensive foreign policy experience served him while in the White House.  His results were SOOOOOOOO much better than that pussy Clinton! 

You stupid SH_T!!!

Jeez! will you guys get over yourselves. There are plenty of forums out there for you to spew political vitriol. Lets focus on the music puhleeze!  ...which in this case happens to be pretty good!  {#Eek} {#Moon}   {#Good-vibes}

I like the sentiment, but the song doesn't do much for me.
i absolutely LOVE M. Franti and Spearhead ... can't get enough. love the blend of styles on their albums, each of which are as eclectic as RP itself.

{#Meditate}{#Daisy}{#Meditate}
The first sentence is very true, but really, perhaps RP should cut down on agi-pop. This one is getting old.

 lwilkinson wrote:


OK.........next time you need help (WWI, WWII, Russian threat of Cold War, Berlin Blockade, etc.) you can just go it alone all by your arrogant-feckless-gutless self....that is assuming that you manage to survive the Islamic threat.
 

You are free to go now.  Your programming is complete. 

Another Mission Accomplished for Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

> Absolutely agree with fredriley.

> If I had to represent Ukraine and choose between two Imperialisms - US or Russia,
> I would probably choose to be a part of European multi-national forces.

Who was more in favor of the Jews, The Nazis or the PLO?

Meanwhile, what I like is how the treatment of the vocal track on this song makes it play off nicely with the percussion in the quieter sections, and is still prominent in the louder passages without getting in the way of the other instruments.

 fredriley wrote:

Gimme a break, O Imperialist One. First off, who's "we"? Were you involved in NATO negotiations? Did you build the missiles? I doubt it. As for what 'you' get in return, the US gets an imperial outpost in its major economic and political rival, the EU. If you think NATO is about military 'defence' or the 'security of the free world' you're even more stupid than your posting indicates, and that's pretty feckin' stupid, on a par with George Dubya imbecility. NATO is led by the US, mostly funded by the US, and is a tool of US foreign policy.

Still, I agree with your last line. By all means get the feck out of Europe - 'we' need US imperialism like 'we' need a dose of cholera. Take your troops, air bases, and corporations with you. Oh, and feck off out of Iraq, Afghanistan and all those other countries the US has 'liberated' at the cost of 00s of 000s of lives. Bye now, and dinnae haste ye ba'.

 

OK.........next time you need help (WWI, WWII, Russian threat of Cold War, Berlin Blockade, etc.) you can just go it alone all by your arrogant-feckless-gutless self....that is assuming that you manage to survive the Islamic threat.


You said it!!!  It's time to go home. {#Cheers}
 fredriley wrote:

Gimme a break, O Imperialist One. First off, who's "we"? Were you involved in NATO negotiations? Did you build the missiles? I doubt it. As for what 'you' get in return, the US gets an imperial outpost in its major economic and political rival, the EU. If you think NATO is about military 'defence' or the 'security of the free world' you're even more stupid than your posting indicates, and that's pretty feckin' stupid, on a par with George Dubya imbecility. NATO is led by the US, mostly funded by the US, and is a tool of US foreign policy.

Still, I agree with your last line. By all means get the feck out of Europe - 'we' need US imperialism like 'we' need a dose of cholera. Take your troops, air bases, and corporations with you. Oh, and feck off out of Iraq, Afghanistan and all those other countries the US has 'liberated' at the cost of 00s of 000s of lives. Bye now, and dinnae haste ye ba'.

 
Absolutely agree with fredriley.
If I had to represent Ukraine and choose between two Imperialisms - US or Russia, I would probably choose to be a part of European multi-national forces. Build strong own ones and add to joint level of protection.

PS: Georgia relied on NATO to much, this could be a mistake that should not be repeated.

 sqqqrly wrote:

Comments from Poland? Gimme a break. We invited Poland into NATO, agreeing to defend her againt Russia. What do we get in return? The Polish regime is refusing us permission to site 10 anti-missile missiles on Polish soil, unless we pay Poland billions for the privilege...buying Poland an air defense system. Those 10 missiles would be there to protect the Pols and the rest of Europe.

We should tell the Pols to buy their own defensive systems, and leave Europe (and NATO) to defend herself.
 
Gimme a break, O Imperialist One. First off, who's "we"? Were you involved in NATO negotiations? Did you build the missiles? I doubt it. As for what 'you' get in return, the US gets an imperial outpost in its major economic and political rival, the EU. If you think NATO is about military 'defence' or the 'security of the free world' you're even more stupid than your posting indicates, and that's pretty feckin' stupid, on a par with George Dubya imbecility. NATO is led by the US, mostly funded by the US, and is a tool of US foreign policy.

Still, I agree with your last line. By all means get the feck out of Europe - 'we' need US imperialism like 'we' need a dose of cholera. Take your troops, air bases, and corporations with you. Oh, and feck off out of Iraq, Afghanistan and all those other countries the US has 'liberated' at the cost of 00s of 000s of lives. Bye now, and dinnae haste ye ba'.

TimeWaster wrote:
Democrates? Any relation to Socrates?
{#Roflol}
I was thinking the same thing when I read that.
Good song, and I quite agree, it's long been time.
Democrates?  Any relation to Socrates?

 renegade_X wrote:

For those of you who vote for Republicans OR Democrates, have no right to complain about a thing! Reform or implode.

 


For those of you who vote for Republicans OR Democrates, have no right to complain about a thing! Reform or implode.


 Alpine wrote:


10 months into Bush's 1st term. Hardly enough time rub out the shadow of that pussy Clinton's lack of foreign policy.

 

The Iraqis attacked us?  Funny, I don't remember that.  What date was that?
 flyboy wrote:


Quote from my boss, two tours in Nam: "War is a helluva lot of fun."


 

Quote from my ex-coworker who also did two terms in Nam:  "I don't want to talk about it."  He committed suicide about four years after that.  Pills.

 Alpine wrote:

Do you really think that if our government knew that attack was coming they would have allowed thousands of innocent citizens to be killed on our soil?


 
Kennedy seriously considered sending a plane of American students to Cuba to try and get it shot down to provide a reason to invade.  The plan was deemed to have too many variables and was dropped.

In 1972, it came out that the US Gov't had spent the past 40 years running experiments on 500 black men without their consent and in the course of it, withheld necessary medical treatments from them because it would've interfered with the results of the experiment.

And there's any number of occasions where the CIA has been working with organized crime, particularly drug traffickers, in exchange for money and/or resources. How many hundreds of thousands (millions?) of American citizens did they help become addicts? How many American families got ruined?

Put your question in that context.

I'm not saying the US gov't did or did not have something to do with 911.  I'm saying that there's a mentality in the Intelligence Industry (and I'm using that phrase because I'm not just singling out the US on this) that's cold and surreal.  Things that you or I would refuse instantly and reject as stupid they'll consider if they think they can get away with it.

meloman wrote:


Radical leadership? Looked at the White House lately?



Comments from Poland? Gimme a break. We invited Poland into NATO, agreeing to defend her againt Russia. What do we get in return? The Polish regime is refusing us permission to site 10 anti-missile missiles on Polish soil, unless we pay Poland billions for the privilege...buying Poland an air defense system. Those 10 missiles would be there to protect the Pols and the rest of Europe.

We should tell the Pols to buy their own defensive systems, and leave Europe (and NATO) to defend herself.


I quite like this song.


Keep up the 'cultural wars'.  Nobody wants popular American opinion to surprise.  But seriously, should we all chip and raise some money so Alpine can go to Afghanistan and shoot at peasants?  Jail 15-year old boys?  Pack an extra bag full of cluster bombs?


Or maybe Americans like Alpine want to take all the techno-bureacrats in the State Department, the CIA and the Pentagon—whose advice was ignored, or whose carreers were ended under the current administration— line them up in a firing squad, and mow them down?