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Natalie Merchant — Golden Boy
Album: Motherland
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Released: 2001
Length: 4:02
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Top of the fold
Toast of the town
Everyone stops when you come around
They hold their breath for you

Heroes are born
Idols are made
We're all fools for this factory fame
And you've got the brand new face
And you've got the brand new face
Golden boy

Beauty untamed
Stupid and wild poster boy you're society's child
Cut your teeth, cut your mouth, cut it out

Meteor rise from obscurity
All it took was a killing spree
And the whole world was lying at your feet
Golden boy, golden boy

I know my place, stick to my lines
Stay in your shadow, don't block your light
So you can shine divine
So you can shine divine
Golden boy, golden boy, golden boy
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Fabulous band working with her on this.
Twirlin' in the kitchen.
 HMS_Beagle wrote:
Am I the only one that hears her saying "Goddamn boy"?
 No, she sings "golden". I think it depends on the equipment you use for listening.

Heard this while at the gym. Made the workout worthwhile!! Wish it had segued into My Skin!
i really like your peaches wanna shake yer tree
"Go down for..."

But I like the song anyway!!!
Was a bit surprised to hear Dido being played here. Maybe now I've realised why.
I am in-love with her voice
 davidsavop wrote:
Sorry all, but with the exception of a few exceptional tunes, I find her music droll and self-absorbed, and her voice monotonous, monotoned, and depressing. 

With that said, she is obviously very appealing to a bunch of fans out there, and has a very long and successful career. Just not my cup of tea. 
 

I'm not a big fan of her music either, especially her limited range, but "droll" means "oddly humorous" or "comical"; I'm not sure if that's what you meant to say.
Absolutely love this album.  But then again, I love any album Natalie puts out.
Ignoring the haters in the comments and just soaking up Natalie's rich voice. What a singer! I've been a fan since the Maniacs early days. 
I agree, but like with Beth Orton, I think NM is good for 2-3 songs in a sitting, but then I find myself losing interest...but I enjoyed the 2-3 songs.
 

cattgirl813 wrote:
The lyrics are beautiful (as they are to most of her songs before and after the 10K Maniacs), but her voice has that Beth Orton quality that drives me buggy. Something about the tone rubs me the wrong way.
 


 cattgirl813 wrote:
The lyrics are beautiful (as they are to most of her songs before and after the 10K Maniacs), but her voice has that Beth Orton quality that drives me buggy. Something about the tone rubs me the wrong way.
 
To my ears, this is more appealing than more recent NM singing. Her voice is flatter, more nasal and lower these days.

I think she's a better singer than Beth Orton at any age. Just my two cents.  
 HMS_Beagle wrote:
Am I the only one that hears her saying "Goddamn boy"?
 
She doesn't speak to me at all.  Anyhow, when she calls you that she probably means it affectionately.
Bill I had no idea this was about River
I like it
This is not one of her best {#Sleep}
Sorry all, but with the exception of a few exceptional tunes, I find her music droll and self-absorbed, and her voice monotonous, monotoned, and depressing. 

With that said, she is obviously very appealing to a bunch of fans out there, and has a very long and successful career. Just not my cup of tea. 
Dredged from the past.. an interesting spat some years back, hope we're all now able to agree how good this is?
Viva Natalie! Love love love Golden Boy ...
Am I the only one that hears her saying "Goddamn boy"?
Too bad this wasn't followed with Golden Lady or Golden Year or Golden Brown...
g1lgam3sh wrote:
Holborn, you reach a level of vituperation I can only stand back and admire. The fact that your vitriol was matched, nay outmatched, by your perspicacity and judgement is, of course, an unlooked for bonus. No words I could find would not sound worse if she SANG them.
Ah, but that was cleverly parsed.
The lyrics are beautiful (as they are to most of her songs before and after the 10K Maniacs), but her voice has that Beth Orton quality that drives me buggy. Something about the tone rubs me the wrong way.
I like the song and I think the pic on the front of her album is v sexy. Please dont abuse me. Its just my opinion
NM sure can rattle cages, can't she? I've said it before, I liked her with the Maniacs, but am not crazy over her solo stuff. I've looked over the lyrics to this one and have to ask: is this about GW? Just a thought. Now, back to your fighting.
Tireux_De_Roche wrote:
Good song. Not going to rock my word but good nonetheless. I think Natalie Merchant is one of the sexiest women in music.
Yikes
always really liked her, a sexy mystery voice, and genuine loving heart...
Good song. Not going to rock my word but good nonetheless. I think Natalie Merchant is one of the sexiest women in music.
give her a break... she's one of the best, most thoughtful artists around. Her music is original, deep, intense and not for ordinary pop-music taste. Her voice is unusual but her music fits it.
holborne wrote:
God, she's awful. Totally unmusical, and a terrible, droning voice.
I'm kinda thinking the disdain fits the refrain. Appropriate tone for the theme and all that good stuff. High times for minor figures.
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coldatlantic wrote:
NM's voice does nothing to impress me, but I don't think the lyrics are thoughtless at all. It meditates, if briefly, on our obsession with the superficial in our awarding of fame to superstars. Captures that mix of jealousy and bitterness we feel sometimes when we think of the famous. Reminds me of Ani's "32 flavours": "Everyone harbours a secret hatred / for the prettiest girl in the room"
i don't have much to say about the song or nm, but i don't think that hatred is terribly secret...
brandog wrote:
Empty useless thoughtless lyrics - no better than the "Ophelia" album - probably worse.
NM's voice does nothing to impress me, but I don't think the lyrics are thoughtless at all. It meditates, if briefly, on our obsession with the superficial in our awarding of fame to superstars. Captures that mix of jealousy and bitterness we feel sometimes when we think of the famous. Reminds me of Ani's "32 flavours": "Everyone harbours a secret hatred / for the prettiest girl in the room"
funny... I hated 10,000 maniacs back in the day. but I started to like Natalie Merchant, not knowing she was their lead singer. funny huh? Definitely a voice that divides.
brandog wrote:
GolTen Boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.......hhhhhhhhhhhh Empty useless thoughtless lyrics - no better than the "Ophelia" album - probably worse. AND Whomever it was mangled their way through the lead guitar "licks" (more like slurps) here should be ashamed!
There are none so deaf as those who will not listen
GolTen Boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.......hhhhhhhhhhhh Empty useless thoughtless lyrics - no better than the "Ophelia" album - probably worse. AND Whomever it was mangled their way through the lead guitar "licks" (more like slurps) here should be ashamed!
:yell: Natalie... c'mon, you can hit those notes... g'head.
g1lgam3sh wrote:
Holborn, you reach a level of vituperation I can only stand back and admire. The fact that your vitriol was matched, nay outmatched, by your perspicacity and judgement is, of course, an unlooked for bonus. No words I could find would not sound worse if she SANG them.
He, (Holborn), really should cut back on the caffeine.
This is the first time I've knowingly heard her. I love this kind of enigmatic chanteuse, would make me think of Marianne Faithfull and Kate Bush. More wispy chanteuses please!
So many better NM songs, no?
Grantus wrote:
Holborn Wrote: Well, Myrrh, since you're interested in deconstruction, let's deconstruct your post, shall we? I myself am pretty curious to know when "opinion" became synonymous with "music review." I certainly never said my one-line opinion was to be considered any sort of "music review" (either with or without sneer quotes). If you decide to impose standards that I neither meant nor implied, that's your problem, not mine. And who the f*** brought up Britney Spears or "high volume"? Only you -- certainly not me. I sure as hell am no fan of Britney Spears. My low opinion of Ms. Merchant's voice has nothing to do with its volume or with its lack of resemblance to that of Britney Spears, nor did I say that it did. Careful with that straw man, Myrrh -- it's so big that you're in danger of starting a forest fire. As for the assertion that Merchant is musical because she writes her own music and plays: the ability to write music or play an instrument doesn't make you musical, any more than the ability to type and spell makes you a writer. (Danielle Steel, anyone?) To be musical, you need an understanding of phrasing and tone -- something Merchant utterly lacks. But hey, if you don't believe me, listen to her butcher "Because the Night." But if you like: IN MY OPINION, Natalie Merchant is unmusical, with a terrible, droning voice that sounds like nothing so much as an accordian that's been dropped from a sixth-story window. She wouldn't be able to phrase properly if you spotted her the p, h, r, and the s, and then let her buy two vowels. The high esteem in which she seems to be held in some quarters seems to come mostly from people who think anyone with a poor voice must a fortiori be a good musician, as long as she sings with "emotion" (vide Melissa Etheridge). But emoting means jacksh*t. The ability to emote on stage or in a studio doesn't mean you have musical talent; it means that you can emote, nothing more. I agree with Holborn. I was dragged to a concert of Merchant's and was amazed at how many people were so enamored of her. Her ego far outweighs her abilities. When 10,000 Maniacs emerged, I thought they were somewhat original, but I was in my early 20's, so a lot sounded new to me then. Her voice is grating, in my opinion, and on this track, it sounds like she's getting too old to sing. However, as Holborn stated so well, this is merely my OPINION, not a review. That is what this post is for, I believe. We're all here 'cause we love music. We may not agree on specifics, but it's great to have a forum where we can comment on what we hear on the "radio".
Holborn, you reach a level of vituperation I can only stand back and admire. The fact that your vitriol was matched, nay outmatched, by your perspicacity and judgement is, of course, an unlooked for bonus. No words I could find would not sound worse if she SANG them.
Much of my admiration bleeds over from her stint with Maniacs, which was a very musical creation. I also groove on the unique vocal; keep putting it out, Natalie... :clap:
Holborn Wrote: Well, Myrrh, since you're interested in deconstruction, let's deconstruct your post, shall we? I myself am pretty curious to know when "opinion" became synonymous with "music review." I certainly never said my one-line opinion was to be considered any sort of "music review" (either with or without sneer quotes). If you decide to impose standards that I neither meant nor implied, that's your problem, not mine. And who the f*** brought up Britney Spears or "high volume"? Only you -- certainly not me. I sure as hell am no fan of Britney Spears. My low opinion of Ms. Merchant's voice has nothing to do with its volume or with its lack of resemblance to that of Britney Spears, nor did I say that it did. Careful with that straw man, Myrrh -- it's so big that you're in danger of starting a forest fire. As for the assertion that Merchant is musical because she writes her own music and plays: the ability to write music or play an instrument doesn't make you musical, any more than the ability to type and spell makes you a writer. (Danielle Steel, anyone?) To be musical, you need an understanding of phrasing and tone -- something Merchant utterly lacks. But hey, if you don't believe me, listen to her butcher "Because the Night." But if you like: IN MY OPINION, Natalie Merchant is unmusical, with a terrible, droning voice that sounds like nothing so much as an accordian that's been dropped from a sixth-story window. She wouldn't be able to phrase properly if you spotted her the p, h, r, and the s, and then let her buy two vowels. The high esteem in which she seems to be held in some quarters seems to come mostly from people who think anyone with a poor voice must a fortiori be a good musician, as long as she sings with "emotion" (vide Melissa Etheridge). But emoting means jacksh*t. The ability to emote on stage or in a studio doesn't mean you have musical talent; it means that you can emote, nothing more. I agree with Holborn. I was dragged to a concert of Merchant's and was amazed at how many people were so enamored of her. Her ego far outweighs her abilities. When 10,000 Maniacs emerged, I thought they were somewhat original, but I was in my early 20's, so a lot sounded new to me then. Her voice is grating, in my opinion, and on this track, it sounds like she's getting too old to sing. However, as Holborn stated so well, this is merely my OPINION, not a review. That is what this post is for, I believe. We're all here 'cause we love music. We may not agree on specifics, but it's great to have a forum where we can comment on what we hear on the "radio".
What has happened to her voice? Sounds like she's half swallowed something while singing. This so lacks the emotion of her Maniacs recodings.
I have never heard this before, she sounds a little like Beth Orton on this one. I like it.
phineas wrote:
NM seems like most polarizing of all the musicians on RP. I bought the album and I love it, but after seeing the range and depth of dislike/outright hatred of it on RP, I've realized just how strong people's feelings are when it comes to here. So I've stopped saying to friends "Isn't this great?" when it's playing at my place. Even though it is great :nodhead:
I adore this CD...one of her best!
NM seems like most polarizing of all the musicians on RP. I bought the album and I love it, but after seeing the range and depth of dislike/outright hatred of it on RP, I've realized just how strong people's feelings are when it comes to here. So I've stopped saying to friends "Isn't this great?" when it's playing at my place. Even though it is great :nodhead:
It is nice to see such an interest in Natalie, such an extended comment denotes a clear interest in her work. I myself I ammvery content with her music and singing abilities, always enjoying her appereance in RP. Thank Bill, and keep including her music on your programming!!!! :cheers: holborne wrote:
Well, Myrrh, since you're interested in deconstruction, let's deconstruct your post, shall we? I myself am pretty curious to know when "opinion" became synonymous with "music review." I certainly never said my one-line opinion was to be considered any sort of "music review" (either with or without sneer quotes). If you decide to impose standards that I neither meant nor implied, that's your problem, not mine. And who the f*** brought up Britney Spears or "high volume"? Only you -- certainly not me. I sure as hell am no fan of Britney Spears. My low opinion of Ms. Merchant's voice has nothing to do with its volume or with its lack of resemblance to that of Britney Spears, nor did I say that it did. Careful with that straw man, Myrrh -- it's so big that you're in danger of starting a forest fire. As for the assertion that Merchant is musical because she writes her own music and plays: the ability to write music or play an instrument doesn't make you musical, any more than the ability to type and spell makes you a writer. (Danielle Steel, anyone?) To be musical, you need an understanding of phrasing and tone -- something Merchant utterly lacks. But hey, if you don't believe me, listen to her butcher "Because the Night." But if you like: IN MY OPINION, Natalie Merchant is unmusical, with a terrible, droning voice that sounds like nothing so much as an accordian that's been dropped from a sixth-story window. She wouldn't be able to phrase properly if you spotted her the p, h, r, and the s, and then let her buy two vowels. The high esteem in which she seems to be held in some quarters seems to come mostly from people who think anyone with a poor voice must a fortiori be a good musician, as long as she sings with "emotion" (vide Melissa Etheridge). But emoting means jacksh*t. The ability to emote on stage or in a studio doesn't mean you have musical talent; it means that you can emote, nothing more.
Knat o lee makes my skin crawl.. But I'd buy this disc if I hadn't already developed a harshly critical close minded opinion about her approach to songwriting and singing.. I like this song and performance so much... I just might pick it up. Can I still justify hating her other stuff? I'll ask my therapist... nothing to see here move on...
I'm not sure when, but I think Natalie Merchant started a lyric-writing club with Delores O'Riordan of The Cranberries, and they started competing over who could repeat the same words and sounds the most in one song... Sad to say, I consider myself a former fan rather than current.
Oh well, even Natalie has her fans, don\'t hear the music in her, but some do. Rather hear new talent on RP.
Originally Posted by Myrrh: For today's exercise, let's deconstruct this "music review." M.
How about this for a review: Natalie Merchant sucks my ass!
This song kicks ass live. For sure. With the mellotrome and all. And - another thing, when she sings, \"stay in shadow, don\'t block your light, so you can shine divine, golden boy\" - she dances or beats to the music. Oh man - what a Natalie Merchant concert can do to you! This is definately a great song - live version is much faster. I believe this song should have been made a single. :hug: :hug: :hug: :clap: by the way, Miss Merchant\'s birthday is 10/26. :o)
Originally Posted by hibbyduck: Extremely well put, all of it. Thanks.
Well, Myrrh, since you're interested in deconstruction, let's deconstruct your post, shall we? I myself am pretty curious to know when "opinion" became synonymous with "music review." I certainly never said my one-line opinion was to be considered any sort of "music review" (either with or without sneer quotes). If you decide to impose standards that I neither meant nor implied, that's your problem, not mine. And who the f*** brought up Britney Spears or "high volume"? Only you -- certainly not me. I sure as hell am no fan of Britney Spears. My low opinion of Ms. Merchant's voice has nothing to do with its volume or with its lack of resemblance to that of Britney Spears, nor did I say that it did. Careful with that straw man, Myrrh -- it's so big that you're in danger of starting a forest fire. As for the assertion that Merchant is musical because she writes her own music and plays: the ability to write music or play an instrument doesn't make you musical, any more than the ability to type and spell makes you a writer. (Danielle Steel, anyone?) To be musical, you need an understanding of phrasing and tone -- something Merchant utterly lacks. But hey, if you don't believe me, listen to her butcher "Because the Night." But if you like: IN MY OPINION, Natalie Merchant is unmusical, with a terrible, droning voice that sounds like nothing so much as an accordian that's been dropped from a sixth-story window. She wouldn't be able to phrase properly if you spotted her the p, h, r, and the s, and then let her buy two vowels. The high esteem in which she seems to be held in some quarters seems to come mostly from people who think anyone with a poor voice must a fortiori be a good musician, as long as she sings with "emotion" (vide Melissa Etheridge). But emoting means jacksh*t. The ability to emote on stage or in a studio doesn't mean you have musical talent; it means that you can emote, nothing more.
Originally Posted by Myrrh: For today's exercise, let's deconstruct this "music review."
Extremely well put, all of it. Thanks.
Originally Posted by holborne: God, she's awful. Totally unmusical, and a terrible, droning voice.
For today's exercise, let's deconstruct this "music review." Awful? Certainly a matter of taste. Unmusical? Hardly. She writes almost everything she sings, and plays well. Production on her albums has been clean but not overdone. She holds up well in concert. She's a mature musician with demonstrable talent. Terrible, droning voice? I guess not everyone can sound like Britney Spears. Gad to think all vocalists sounded the same. There's a lot of emotion in both her voice and the lyrics, even if she's not belting them out at high volume. No, I'd say Natalie Merchant's solo career has been pretty rich with great musicianship and production, poetic and sometimes thought-provoking songwriting, and if you don't find her voice annoying, then it's pretty difficult to compare her career with some of the flyweight samplers or those creating their entire careers by ripping off previous ideas, such as the Dandy Warhols. As for her voice being a matter of taste -- not everyone enjoys Robert Plant, Sinead O'Connor, Elvis Costello, or Jim Morrison, all outstanding vocalists and performers. But I'll be bet we'll all still be hearing from they and Natalie Merchant long after much of today's dreck has washed from the decks. Not everyone likes a pretty song. But that doesn't make it awful. M.
God, she\'s awful. Totally unmusical, and a terrible, droning voice.
Originally Posted by ndanger666: You know. Jerry's next telethon ought to be for Natalie -- to get the marbles out of her mouth and give her some diction lessons. :frustrated:
I sooo agree. The first few times I heard Natalie's recent stuff, I thought it was Beth Orton and thought to myself "She sounds like Natalie Merchant on 'ludes". Now I find out it really is Natalie. Forget the telethon, how about a 12-step program. :rolleyes:
Hated her *whimpy* version of "Because the Night".. but this one is cool. My wife keeps asking "is this the new Beth Orton?".. probably why it sounds good.
You know. Jerry\'s next telethon ought to be for Natalie -- to get the marbles out of her mouth and give her some diction lessons. :frustrated:
This is one of the best NM songs I\'ve heard played here on RP. Her latest stuff sounds really baaaad! I love her when she sings within her range.
Originally Posted by Stuart: I thought she was singing "Go Down Boy". That, combined with the title of the CD and the way she is singing it gives me the creeps! <>
:lol: Yep Stuart, that would be rather creepy. Good thing the song and album titles are displayed above! Natalie's voice is very well suited to this type of song-I agree with you PhotoshopGuy. I too like this.
Originally Posted by girlafraid: wow.. this is beautiful.. i had been discouraged by all i had heard of her solo work since 10,000 maniacs, but this is really lovely :clap:
:clap:
I'm glad you feel that way. Great song, excellent lyrics.
wow.. this is beautiful.. i had been discouraged by all i had heard of her solo work since 10,000 maniacs, but this is really lovely :clap:
She does creepy-eerie much better than upbeat pop. This I like.
I thought she was singing \"Go Down Boy\". That, combined with the title of the CD and the way she is singing it gives me the creeps! <>
I love it, way to go Bill! :)
Always love Natlie\'s stuff. So thoughtful, engaging. Lyrics are always right on. This song is no exception.