You are putting 100% of the blame on Trump for inciting these assassination attempts.
1) There are crazies everywhere shooting at Kennedy, Warhol, MLK, Pope, RFK, Reagan, and now Trump. Crazy isn't coherent so we have to scrub them from the equation.
2) Yes, it's all Trump. Where have we seen Carter, Clinton, Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, or Harris tell anyone to knock the crap out of someone because of political differences - and they'll pay the lawyers' fees. (Narrator: he never paid fees for anyone.)
But it's embarrassingly easy to create a series - not merely a single instance - of TFG extolling flat out violence against dissenters. He's the anti-Ghandi, isn't he? Cheat your business partners, cheat on your wife wives, speak loudly and violently, and take everything for yourself that you can.
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Sep 18, 2024 - 3:25pm
ScottFromWyoming wrote:
I just arbitrarily picked one of your offerings to pick at.
Are people who strongly oppose Trump supposed to say nothing? Again randomly chosen, "Grijalva: Trump is an existential threat to American democracy." I guess if you don't believe that's true that might sound like it's over the top but it doesn't say anything about violence. It really doesn't say anything at all. Just "vote," I guess. It's strong wording, sure, but it's not inciting violence. I refer you to the cartoon for reference.
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I do not see a lot of daylight between âTrump is an existential threat to democracyâ and âwe wonât have a country anymoreâ if Biden or Harris is elected.
I just arbitrarily picked one of your offerings to pick at.
Are people who strongly oppose Trump supposed to say nothing? Again randomly chosen, "Grijalva: Trump is an existential threat to American democracy." I guess if you don't believe that's true that might sound like it's over the top but it doesn't say anything about violence. It really doesn't say anything at all. Just "vote," I guess. It's strong wording, sure, but it's not inciting violence. I refer you to the cartoon for reference.
You might scoff at Maxine Watters' "are Trump supporters preparing a civil war against us?" I can tell you, me talking to you about a co-worker who I personally know and still have him in my contacts list, that the answer is Yes. ALL Trump supporters? No. But please don't think she's off base with that. I think I mentioned it here before but this guy offered me safe harbor at his house when the war starts. Protection from his network of people who agree with him. I don't feel comforted by that thought.
I haven't spoken to him since Kamala became the nominee. We need to go have a beer so I can take a reading...
I just arbitrarily picked one of your offerings to pick at.
Are people who strongly oppose Trump supposed to say nothing? Again randomly chosen, "Grijalva: Trump is an existential threat to American democracy." I guess if you don't believe that's true that might sound like it's over the top but it doesn't say anything about violence. It really doesn't say anything at all. Just "vote," I guess. It's strong wording, sure, but it's not inciting violence. I refer you to the cartoon for reference.
You might scoff at Maxine Watters' "are Trump supporters preparing a civil war against us?" I can tell you, me talking to you about a co-worker who I personally know and still have him in my contacts list, that the answer is Yes. ALL Trump supporters? No. But please don't think she's off base with that. I think I mentioned it here before but this guy offered me safe harbor at his house when the war starts. Protection from his network of people who agree with him. I don't feel comforted by that thought.
I haven't spoken to him since Kamala became the nominee. We need to go have a beer so I can take a reading...
I'd ask that you take a step back on consider the origins of the aggression. . Violence is a well-documented element of Trump doctrine. He says aggressive shit...and the crowd cheers. "Punch 'em, hit 'em, fight like hell"... every speech. He wraps that in the flag. If you don't (insert aggression)... America will be dead. That emotional connection is the only reason he's so popular. Most Trump supporters say they don't admire him as a person... so what else is the draw? It's emotional anger, followed by "I am your retribution"! I guess the sheriff thinks he should help out at the local level.
. Democrats say Trump is a "Threat to democracy". They don't attach any acts of violence, other than those associated with January 6.
You have taken great liberties with my remarks.
You are putting 100% of the blame on Trump for inciting these assassination attempts.
You appear to be giving democrats a complete pass at inspiring the assassination attempts at Trump. Beaker's list documents a great deal of them yet leaves out all of those made by the supporting media pundits who amplify these remarks adding their own inflammatory commentary to the narrative. That you find all of this as harmless rhetoric explains your political bias and thought processes.
Regarding the rock solid support for Trump ... I have explained it over and over again here for years and everyone, and in this case I mean everyone, fails to accept my explanations and instead goes into what is wrong with them rather than saying "I understand but disagree" Instead it is, you're crazy, defective, racist ... fill in that blank anyway you wish. It is simply that no one can comprehend any support for Trump. and rather than try, just simply shoot the messenger instead.
And here we are. I am tired of talking to a brick wall.
This is home to me. I live here in Portage County, Ohio. This is terrible, period. I became aware of it this afternoon listening to the PM drive radio when I went out to the car for a break. Came back into the store and did a search and found that it had made it all the way to The Guardian, so it must be a real big deal. I looked here to see if it had been brought up yet and found this put up in the wee hours of the morning. The host who is definitely pro Trump was outraged, as he should be. He wanted to have the Sheriff on during the 5 oclock segment. Listening on the way home, he was a no show. Our protectors are to be devoid of politics and should promote safety and reassurance, not fear was the thoughts put forth by the host. In other words, he was pissed at the sheriff, because this only further divides us and in an emotional way which is the hardest one to overcome. Wrong is wrong.
The craziness must stop, on all sides...
Thanks for this Kurt. We all need to be on the same page in regards to violence.
âMr. Trump is unfit for our nationâs highest office,â
âI canât stomach Trump,â
âI think thereâs a chance, if I feel like Trump has a really good chance of winning, that I might have to hold my nose and vote for Hillary Clinton.â
âMy god what an idiot,â
and of course:
Vance once questioned whether Trump could be âAmericaâs Hitlerâ in a private Facebook message in 2016 to one of his former roommates.
It was that or a âcynical asshole like Nixon,â Vance wrote in messages to former Yale Law School classmate Josh McLaurin, now a Democratic state senator in Georgia.
This is home to me. I live here in Portage County, Ohio. This is terrible, period. I became aware of it this afternoon listening to the PM drive radio when I went out to the car for a break. Came back into the store and did a search and found that it had made it all the way to The Guardian, so it must be a real big deal. I looked here to see if it had been brought up yet and found this put up in the wee hours of the morning. The host who is definitely pro Trump was outraged, as he should be. He wanted to have the Sheriff on during the 5 oclock segment. Listening on the way home, he was a no show. Our protectors are to be devoid of politics and should promote safety and reassurance, not fear was the thoughts put forth by the host. In other words, he was pissed at the sheriff, because this only further divides us and in an emotional way which is the hardest one to overcome. Wrong is wrong.
The craziness must stop, on all sides. We cannot go on like I'll stop if they will, too. No we gotta stop regardless of what the other does. Trump clearly has a target on his back and the rhetoric as documented by beaker put it there. Political violence is rapidly gaining acceptance on both sides. It is the equal and opposite reaction to the language being used.
The assassination attempts will not stop until they have succeeded. Too many people have seen how easy it is to take a shot at Trump.
These are my first reactions to the local news. It will not go away because the Sheriff is up for reelection. It will be a real yard stick measurement for what the attitude in these parts are, and maybe elsewhere ?
Appreciating that we appear to have reached this point, I'd ask that you take a step back on consider the origins of the aggression.
Violence is a well-documented element of Trump doctrine. He says aggressive shit...and the crowd cheers. "Punch 'em, hit 'em, fight like hell"... every speech. He wraps that in the flag. If you don't (insert aggression)... America will be dead. That emotional connection is the only reason he's so popular. Most Trump supporters say they don't admire him as a person... so what else is the draw? It's emotional anger, followed by "I am your retribution"! I guess the sheriff thinks he should help out at the local level.
Democrats say Trump is a "Threat to democracy". They don't attach any acts of violence, other than those associated with January 6. You can't find a similar local story where a Democratic supporter suggests organized, calculated violence against supporters of another party. It's not who they are. That's why I am no longer a Republican. I'm not a Democrat either, but I'd rather hang out with them because they are a lot less angry.
Sunday morning I was driving through the western suburbs of Philly. Not the highways....the back roads (going to the Wharton Esherick museum... which I highly recommend). I love that part of PA...rolling hills, nothing straight... feels like a miniature version of the part of Vermont my mother is from. The lawn signs for Trump outnumbered Harris 10 or 15 to 1. I know the area well enough to know that Harris is probably going to win the towns we were driving through... so why the discrepancy?
The Trump support tends to come from people saying "Fuck you... I support Trump". That aggression is intimately wrapped in the fabric of Republican support right now. Everyone else is avoiding conflict, and most see a sign as just a way to unnecessarily focus some idiots anger upon themselves. No sign for me thanks.
The suggestion that the rhetoric and violence are out of hand is absolutely correct, but any notion that both sides share in its escalation equally is intellectually dishonest.
Bruce Zuchowski, the sheriff of Portage County who is seeking reelection, made the remarks Friday in two identical posts on his personal and professional Facebook accounts.
“I say … write down all the addresses of the people who had her signs in their yards!” Zuchowski (R) said. That way, he said, when undocumented immigrants — which he referred to as a “locust” — flooded in, “We’ll already have the addresses of their New families … who supported their arrival!” So much for everyone 'calming down the rhetoric...'
This is home to me. I live here in Portage County, Ohio. This is terrible, period. I became aware of it this afternoon listening to the PM drive radio when I went out to the car for a break. Came back into the store and did a search and found that it had made it all the way to The Guardian, so it must be a real big deal. I looked here to see if it had been brought up yet and found this put up in the wee hours of the morning. The host who is definitely pro Trump was outraged, as he should be. He wanted to have the Sheriff on during the 5 oclock segment. Listening on the way home, he was a no show. Our protectors are to be devoid of politics and should promote safety and reassurance, not fear was the thoughts put forth by the host. In other words, he was pissed at the sheriff, because this only further divides us and in an emotional way which is the hardest one to overcome. Wrong is wrong.
The craziness must stop, on all sides. We cannot go on like I'll stop if they will, too. No we gotta stop regardless of what the other does. Trump clearly has a target on his back and the rhetoric as documented by beaker put it there. Political violence is rapidly gaining acceptance on both sides. It is the equal and opposite reaction to the language being used.
The assassination attempts will not stop until they have succeeded. Too many people have seen how easy it is to take a shot at Trump.
These are my first reactions to the local news. It will not go away because the Sheriff is up for reelection. It will be a real yard stick measurement for what the attitude in these parts are, and maybe elsewhere ?
On a more personal note for DJT the business guru... His "lockup" period for selling Trump Media shares expires on Thursday. Last Thursday Trump said, âI don't wanna sell my shares. I don't need moneyâ.
Does anyone believe him...or will he grab whatever cash he can from the stock before it goes the way of Trump Steaks...
... and GoTrump.com (travel website), Trump Airlines, Trump Vodka, Trump Mortgage, Trump: The Game (board game), Trump Magazine, Trump University, Trump Ice (bottled water), The New Jersey Generals (USFL football team), Tour de Trump (bicycle race), Trump Network (multi-level marketing company), Trumped! (syndicated radio spot), Trump Shuttle (airline), Trump's Castle (casino), Trump Plaza Casinos, Trump Plaza Hotel, Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts, Trump Entertainment Resorts, Trump Taj Mahal (casino), Trump's Castle (casino), Trump World's Fair (casino), Trump 29 Casino, Trump Fragrances, and Trump Mattresses.
Bruce Zuchowski, the sheriff of Portage County who is seeking reelection, made the remarks Friday in two identical posts on his personal and professional Facebook accounts.
âI say ⦠write down all the addresses of the people who had her signs in their yards!â Zuchowski (R) said. That way, he said, when undocumented immigrants â which he referred to as a âlocustâ â flooded in, âWeâll already have the addresses of their New families ⦠who supported their arrival!â
So much for everyone 'calming down the rhetoric...'
