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westslope

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Posted: Sep 25, 2022 - 11:30am

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Benedict Donald sold his soul to the devil years ago.   He's such a conman that American banks stopped loaning him money.  FACT.      He is guilty of sexual assault.   He said it, we all heard it.   FACT.     He's a pedophile who hung out with Epstein and Maxwell, and had at least 2 lawsuits accusing him of raping a 13 year old girl.   FACT.     

He is not a good human being.   He is not a Christian.   He is not kind.  He is not even smart unless he's using trickery, then he's the best in the world.    I've never despised anyone in my life like I do that monster, but I'm a good person who hopes that light finds it's way into his cold, black heart.    

He needs to be held accountable for decades of fraud and money laundering.    It's not political.   It's right and wrong.    FACT.     And the Republicans who unleashed this beast into our world... fuck them all.   

(I'm not a Christian but I know Christ taught kindness and compassion, both of which are totally absent in Benedict Donald)


American Christian conservatives make me think of Iranian Muslim conservatives.   They desperately want to get back to a world that once existed but no longer does.  

I do not pretend to understand American Christians who support anti-Semitic ethnic cleansing terrorism in the Holy Lands  yet oppose abortion, oppose universal basic health insurance and support Donald Trump. 

That said, turning your back on Republicans who supported Donald Trump would be a mistake.  The best solution would be to look hard at the policy issues that drive MAGA Republicans crazy and attempt some policy reforms that ideally over time would co-opt the MAGA Republicans back into the fold.  Immigration and refugee policy would be a good place to start.


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Posted: Sep 24, 2022 - 4:34pm

Careful with that axe, RTFB...

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Posted: Sep 24, 2022 - 4:07pm

 RedTopFireBelow wrote:


Benedict Donald sold his soul to the devil years ago.   He's such a conman that American banks stopped loaning him money.  FACT.      He is guilty of sexual assault.   He said it, we all heard it.   FACT.     He's a pedophile who hung out with Epstein and Maxwell, and had at least 2 lawsuits accusing him of raping a 13 year old girl.   FACT.     

He is not a good human being.   He is not a Christian.   He is not kind.  He is not even smart unless he's using trickery, then he's the best in the world.    I've never despised anyone in my life like I do that monster, but I'm a good person who hopes that light finds it's way into his cold, black heart.    

He needs to be held accountable for decades of fraud and money laundering.    It's not political.   It's right and wrong.    FACT.     And the Republicans who unleashed this beast into our world... fuck them all.   

(I'm not a Christian but I know Christ taught kindness and compassion, both of which are totally absent in Benedict Donald)



As an aside:  Nice to see you
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Posted: Sep 24, 2022 - 2:37pm

 westslope wrote:

I do not believe that settling in civil court makes one a criminal.  Trump has never been convicted of a felony.

Once upon a time, perhaps he would have been hung for treason, and yeah, he is definitely 'walk to other side of the street' material.  I almost feel like having a shower just thinking about Trump.  




Benedict Donald sold his soul to the devil years ago.   He's such a conman that American banks stopped loaning him money.  FACT.      He is guilty of sexual assault.   He said it, we all heard it.   FACT.     He's a pedophile who hung out with Epstein and Maxwell, and had at least 2 lawsuits accusing him of raping a 13 year old girl.   FACT.     

He is not a good human being.   He is not a Christian.   He is not kind.  He is not even smart unless he's using trickery, then he's the best in the world.    I've never despised anyone in my life like I do that monster, but I'm a good person who hopes that light finds it's way into his cold, black heart.    

He needs to be held accountable for decades of fraud and money laundering.    It's not political.   It's right and wrong.    FACT.     And the Republicans who unleashed this beast into our world... fuck them all.   

(I'm not a Christian but I know Christ taught kindness and compassion, both of which are totally absent in Benedict Donald)

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Posted: Sep 24, 2022 - 12:41pm

 westslope wrote:
I do not believe that settling in civil court makes one a criminal.  Trump has never been convicted of a felony.

You don't have to be a convict to be a criminal.
1: one who has committed a crime
2: a person who has been convicted of a crime

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Posted: Sep 24, 2022 - 10:11am

 rgio wrote:

......

As for him being a criminal.. he's been signing confessions and writing checks since the discrimination lawsuit in the 70's.  He is a convicted criminal, who has admitted guilt in court.

How much research did you do in the 2 hours between posts?  The lengths you'll go to try and prove Trump is worthy of your love are impressive.  He's a criminal.  It's not political motivations or the deep state, it's his being a self-absorbed asshole.  He's a bad guy.

I do not believe that settling in civil court makes one a criminal.  Trump has never been convicted of a felony.

Once upon a time, perhaps he would have been hung for treason, and yeah, he is definitely 'walk to other side of the street' material.  I almost feel like having a shower just thinking about Trump.  


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Posted: Sep 24, 2022 - 3:55am

 rgio wrote:

How much research did you do in the 2 hours between posts?  The lengths you'll go to try and prove Trump is worthy of your love are impressive.  He's a criminal.  It's not political motivations or the deep state, it's his being a self-absorbed asshole.  He's a bad guy.


I feel sorry for those that have been duped and are willing to defend him knowing he doesn't care one bit about those that support him.


What should we expect when a  game show host is voted in as the president? It should come as no surprise, utter chaos, that's what. 


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Posted: Sep 24, 2022 - 3:37am

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There is an issue regarding just when and how NARA took actual possession of the documents in question based upon the document from the Obama Foundation.  Sure they may have them now, but when is unclear.  A central issue regarding Trump's case.

I know you prefer theories and rumors to stated facts, but NARA addressed this YESTERDAY (which I guess you decided to ignore).

The Obama Foundation, an independent entity, has never had control over the records in Hoffman Estates. NARA moved these records at the end of the Obama administration to the Hoffman Estates facility under the assumption that former President Obama and his Foundation would be building and transferring to NARA a traditional, physical Presidential Library in the Chicago area. When former President Obama decided that he would not build a physical, NARA-operated Presidential Library, NARA transported the classified records back to secure locations in the Washington, DC, metropolitan area. 

No questions.   No "what-if".  No worries about security.  NARA didn't need the Feds to go get documents after Obama lied about returning them...they had them all along.  The cases are not remotely similar, but that won't stop you from making theoretical what-about statements as some sort of false equivalency defense for Donnie.

As for him being a criminal.. he's been signing confessions and writing checks since the discrimination lawsuit in the 70's.  He is a convicted criminal, who has admitted guilt in court.

How much research did you do in the 2 hours between posts?  The lengths you'll go to try and prove Trump is worthy of your love are impressive.  He's a criminal.  It's not political motivations or the deep state, it's his being a self-absorbed asshole.  He's a bad guy.
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Posted: Sep 23, 2022 - 9:57pm

 rgio wrote:
   Your boy is a criminal ...

Please show me the list of criminal indictments and convictions.
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Posted: Sep 23, 2022 - 9:54pm

 VV wrote:

Nah, man. Trump can’t take the credit… that’s all Kurt.


 unfortunately true.

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Posted: Sep 23, 2022 - 9:50pm

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I'm sure all the fiscally conservative republicans are congratulating Obama for saving the government the expense of building and maintaining a physical presidential library 
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Posted: Sep 23, 2022 - 8:46pm

The Deep State responds: FAKE NEWS.

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Posted: Sep 23, 2022 - 8:03pm

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 kurtster wrote:
There is no Barack Obama Presidential Library, located in Hoffman Estates, Illinois, It is a warehouse as mentioned in my linked article. Doesn't look especially secure beyond anything that would be beyond a basic level. Certainly not something containing classified documents.

You tell me ...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/2500+W+Golf+Rd,+Schaumburg,+IL+60194/@42.0473291,-88.1409575,830m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x880fa868dc06e61b:0xa658d13e19d2a465!8m2!3d42.0473291!4d-88.1409575

Kurt man... you gotta relax a bit and actually think before typing.

It is a warehouse.   It's the TEMPORARY HOME of the library.  Here's a picture of the "library" in July...

 The records, and the staff, are working in a temporary location.  The library isn't built yet..

but the NARA folks are controlling the records in the temporary location until the library is done.

C'mon man... you gotta stop trying to find someone else doing wrong to prove Donnie is right.  He's not.  He's an egomaniacal asshole who is making you look stupid by trying to defend him.

Resist the urge to suggest something else... the deep state, the "they have it out for Trump", etc., etc.   Your boy is a criminal and was doing illegal shit.
 
Report Claims Obama Keeps Classified Records In Abandoned Furniture Store
PJ Media, a conservative news website, reported on Thursday that Obama is keeping classified documents in an abandoned furniture warehouse — a warehouse that, by the way, failed the security standards set by the National Archives and Records Administration.

But Obama has not been made to feel the legal heat absorbed by his successor, as former President Donald Trump awaits a special master’s review of supposedly classified records Trump kept in his Mar-a-Lago estate and which were seized in an FBI raid.

The review could determine whether Trump may face charges for improperly keeping the sensitive records.

As PJ Media reported, a Sept. 11, 2018, letter from the Obama Foundation to the National Archives “reveals that the Obama Foundation not only acknowledged possessing classified documents but also admitted that they kept them in a facility that did not meet NARA standards for the storage of those documents.”

The nature of the classified documents is unclear.

The letter also noted that the foundation was willing to spend $3.3 million to facilitate the transfer of the documents from Plunkett Furniture to an NARA facility “that conform(s) to the agency’s archival storage standards for such records and artifacts.”

Plunkett Furniture is a former furniture store in Hoffman Estates, Illinois.

As PJ Media noted, “This means that, as the debate over the supposedly classified documents at Mar-a-Lago is unfolding, the Obama Foundation is, at this very moment, storing classified documents in unused retail space in the suburbs of Chicago.”

“While the storage of these documents appears to be with the full knowledge and coordination of NARA, it still raises significant questions, not just concerning the raid of Mar-a-Lago, but also surrounding the legal actions being taken by the Biden administration against Trump over the storage of these documents,” PJ Media added.

“Seeing as Mar-a-Lago is Trump’s Florida home, it is protected by Secret Service, making it far more secure than whatever setup they likely had at the former furniture store space. There is no mention of what kind of security measures are in place to protect the Obama documents — if there are any at all.”

There is an issue regarding just when and how NARA took actual possession of the documents in question based upon the document from the Obama Foundation.  Sure they may have them now, but when is unclear.  A central issue regarding Trump's case.
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Posted: Sep 23, 2022 - 8:01pm

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That gif/animated photo is disturbing.
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Posted: Sep 23, 2022 - 7:34pm

 VV wrote:

Nah, man. Trump can’t take the credit… that’s all Kurt.



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Posted: Sep 23, 2022 - 5:39pm

 rgio wrote:

Kurt man... you gotta relax a bit and actually think before typing.

It is a warehouse.   It's the TEMPORARY HOME of the library.  Here's a picture of the "library" in July... The records, and the staff, are working in a temporary location.  The library isn't built yet...but the NARA folks are controlling the records in the temporary location until the library is done.

C'mon man... you gotta stop trying to find someone else doing wrong to prove Donnie is right.  He's not.  He's an egomaniacal asshole who is making you look stupid by trying to defend him.

Resist the urge to suggest something else... the deep state, the "they have it out for Trump", etc., etc.   Your boy is a criminal and was doing illegal shit.

Nah, man. Trump can’t take the credit… that’s all Kurt.

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Posted: Sep 23, 2022 - 2:53pm

So in sum, the Obama administration and Obama Foundation worked with NARA when it came to the handling and storage of government documents.

On the other hand, Trump and the Trump administration did not. After Trump left office, Trump and/or his employees failed to return government documents despite months of requests from NARA and likely tried to conceal retention of documents.
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Posted: Sep 23, 2022 - 2:23pm

 kurtster wrote:
There is no Barack Obama Presidential Library, located in Hoffman Estates, Illinois, It is a warehouse as mentioned in my linked article. Doesn't look especially secure beyond anything that would be beyond a basic level. Certainly not something containing classified documents.

You tell me ...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/2500+W+Golf+Rd,+Schaumburg,+IL+60194/@42.0473291,-88.1409575,830m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x880fa868dc06e61b:0xa658d13e19d2a465!8m2!3d42.0473291!4d-88.1409575

Kurt man... you gotta relax a bit and actually think before typing.

It is a warehouse.   It's the TEMPORARY HOME of the library.  Here's a picture of the "library" in July...
The records, and the staff, are working in a temporary location.  The library isn't built yet...but the NARA folks are controlling the records in the temporary location until the library is done.

C'mon man... you gotta stop trying to find someone else doing wrong to prove Donnie is right.  He's not.  He's an egomaniacal asshole who is making you look stupid by trying to defend him.

Resist the urge to suggest something else... the deep state, the "they have it out for Trump", etc., etc.   Your boy is a criminal and was doing illegal shit.
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Posted: Sep 23, 2022 - 1:50pm

 rgio wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

your's is dated 2017.  My thing is dated September 2018 and is an official document from the Obama organization.
pound salt.

How about we go to 2022, and read a statement by NARA about "what's in the library" from today? https://www.archives.gov/press... The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) administers the Barack Obama Presidential Library, located in Hoffman Estates, Illinois, a suburb of Chicago. The library holds records from the Obama presidential administration and is leased, controlled, managed, and used exclusively by NARA. The Obama Foundation, an independent entity, has never had control over the records in Hoffman Estates. All records in that facility are stored and managed by NARA in accordance with archival storage standards, and all classified records were stored in an appropriately secured compartment within the facility. NARA moved these records at the end of the Obama administration to the Hoffman Estates facility under the assumption that former President Obama and his Foundation would be building and transferring to NARA a traditional, physical Presidential Library in the Chicago area. When former President Obama decided that he would not build a physical, NARA-operated Presidential Library, NARA transported the classified records back to secure locations in the Washington, DC, metropolitan area. The Obama Foundation provided NARA with funds to help convert the Hoffman Estates facility and to cover some of the expenses of moving the classified records, but the foundation has never had possession or control over the records. Sorry, Kurt...you're gonna need to find something else to "whatabout" on this one.
 
There is no Barack Obama Presidential Library, located in Hoffman Estates, Illinois,  It is a warehouse as mentioned in my linked article.  Doesn't look especially secure beyond anything that would be beyond a basic level.  Certainly not something containing classified documents.

You tell me ...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/2500+W+Golf+Rd,+Schaumburg,+IL+60194/@42.0473291,-88.1409575,830m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x880fa868dc06e61b:0xa658d13e19d2a465!8m2!3d42.0473291!4d-88.1409575

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