If at first y'all don't succeed, Try, try, try again. Keep on trying till you get there.
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Why is it that you never consider and accept that Trump himself is the source of most of his problems? At what point are we allowed to actually hold him accountable for the things he has done or does he always just get a pass?
Kurt, Trump's opponents had little to gain from making false or exaggerated claims about Trump possibly breaking US lawsâ-whether those claims concerned US campaign laws (Russia and Zelensky phone call) or US election laws or lawful transition of power.
There is a diehard core of Trump supporters who don't think for themselves when it comes to Trump. They will dismiss undeniable evidence of Trump's malfeasance (Raffensperger phone call, Zelensky call, creation of slate of alternate electors, incitement of Jan. 6 riot and his refusal to stop it) as Fake News. Or normal exercise of dirty politics. Or no big deal because Trump is upending a rigged election.
Those people aren't going to abandon or drift from Trump.
The Democrats don't investigate Trump for their own political gain. If you think that, you're an idiot pretending to be an informed sophisticate. Dem voters get more involved when they think their opponents are cheating but you don't win elections with investigations.
In each case of the investigations into Trump, there was significant evidence of criminal or illegal activity by Trump or the people around him. You cannot let that kind of behavior slide or just shrug it off. And Trump has shown that if he thinks he can get away with illegal behavior, he'll behave that way again or do worse things.
You keep stating that if we don't enforce our immigration laws and borders, we have no country. If we don't investigate when a presidential candidate or president breaks laws and tries to overthrow a free and fair election, we don't have a constitutional republic.
I doubt that the search of MAL was just about any old classified documents that Trump was hanging onto. The DOJ and FBI likely received strong evidence that Trump still had documents relating to Jan. 6. Someone like Mark Meadows or Pat Cipollone tipped them off.
This isn't about humiliating or smearing Trump. That does no political good. This is about investigating the potentially criminal activity of a man who's bent and broken laws all his life.
Jan. 6 and Trump's other attempts to overthrow the 2020 election make Watergate look like shoplifting candy. We almost lost our democracy. You need to acknowledge that.
Bravo, you have articulated the thoughts of many and I couldnât have said it better myself. Apparently the answer to all this (some maintain) is to simply ignore Trump. To hold him accountable is unacceptable and would make him a martyr. I will never accept or even try to wrap my head around such idiocy.
There are people cheering and encouraging this cavernous division and hate. They do not want healing and forgiveness so we can move forward together. They are patiently waiting to conquer us and at this rate will soon succeed.
"This is no time for complacency. We have to seize this opportunity to deal with the radical left socialist lunatic fascists. We have to hit them very, very hard. It has to be a crippling defeat."
It's tempting to let him slip away - but then he's an unwitting Keyser Soze, getting away with his non-prosecuted-because-let's-move-on crimes. What a terrible injustice to America, and it's not at all the GOP way of doing things (see also, her emails). This isn't about hate. Now it's about atonement. Everyone could see that he was doing things wrong (see my list, that doesn't seem to shrink). The GOP, though, wanted so badly to own the libs that they turned a blind eye - after strongly denouncing him before the election! The hypocrisy of them supporting him afterward is mind-blowing. What that means is that his wrongs are legit, but the GOP is complicit in letting them happen - and now it's disingenuous to say "oh, it's the distant past..." There's surely some anger involved - but it's the same anger as LOCK HER UP and searching for pedophiles in the pizza place basement. It's just that this time, he's actually guilty of the things he did.
I have not once said anything to defend Trump in this current exchange. I have just been trying to explain certain realities.
One of the first points I made was about Ford pardoning Nixon, simply to spare tearing the country apart for no real good reasons since there was little doubt about much of anything. Nixon was finished politically, which in matters such as these is all that matters and can realistically be hoped for.
The other side, the establishment of both parties, aka the swamp, have been trying to drive a stake through his heart for 6 years now. And you / they are still trying. The harder you all try, the more you expose yourselves of all the things about yourselves that you are trying to hide. Something about throwing stones inside a glass house ...
There was once a commercial about defensive driving. The jist was you may be doing everything right, but that is not enough to keep you from being killed while driving to the grocery store. You may be right but don't be dead right, drive defensively.
FWIW, imho ... it is too late to stop going after Trump. You all are committed. Too many lines have been crossed to stop now. Trump and his supporters have all been lumped into this together. You have made this about 70 million people, not just one man. I do not know if this is understood or even matters in the scope of this effort as far as you all are concerned. I am not aware of any distinctions being made.
How this ends, I do not know, nor pretend to know at this point in time. What I do know is that this does not end well and there will be no winners on either side. There are people cheering and encouraging this cavernous division and hate. They do not want healing and forgiveness so we can move forward together. They are patiently waiting to conquer us and at this rate will soon succeed.
One last rhetorical question. How does someone atone for something they truly believe that they are innocent of ?
Kurt, Trump's opponents had little to gain from making false or exaggerated claims about Trump possibly breaking US laws—-whether those claims concerned US campaign laws (Russia and Zelensky phone call) or US election laws or lawful transition of power.
There is a diehard core of Trump supporters who don't think for themselves when it comes to Trump. They will dismiss undeniable evidence of Trump's malfeasance (Raffensperger phone call, Zelensky call, creation of slate of alternate electors, incitement of Jan. 6 riot and his refusal to stop it) as Fake News. Or normal exercise of dirty politics. Or no big deal because Trump is upending a rigged election.
Those people aren't going to abandon or drift from Trump.
The Democrats don't investigate Trump for their own political gain. If you think that, you're an idiot pretending to be an informed sophisticate. Dem voters get more involved when they think their opponents are cheating but you don't win elections with investigations.
In each case of the investigations into Trump, there was significant evidence of criminal or illegal activity by Trump or the people around him. You cannot let that kind of behavior slide or just shrug it off. And Trump has shown that if he thinks he can get away with illegal behavior, he'll behave that way again or do worse things.
You keep stating that if we don't enforce our immigration laws and borders, we have no country. If we don't investigate when a presidential candidate or president breaks laws and tries to overthrow a free and fair election, we don't have a constitutional republic.
I doubt that the search of MAL was just about any old classified documents that Trump was hanging onto. The DOJ and FBI likely received strong evidence that Trump still had documents relating to Jan. 6. Someone like Mark Meadows or Pat Cipollone tipped them off.
This isn't about humiliating or smearing Trump. That does no political good. This is about investigating the potentially criminal activity of a man who's bent and broken laws all his life.
Jan. 6 and Trump's other attempts to overthrow the 2020 election make Watergate look like shoplifting candy. We almost lost our democracy. You need to acknowledge that.
That's right, federal laws are irrelevant here. The Constitution? Why it's just a piece of paper.
you're missing my point.
I will just add the following, before leaving this dreaded space.
I never implied a law wasn't broken,
but that it doesn't matter to the trumpsters,
who will latch onto the political barrage brought on by the left,
with their own political barrage, which will further bolster chubby.
his supporters are some of the most loyal and also the most attacked as a whole by the establishment driving them even closer together.
And that's why he won. He panders to you and all of the oppressed, downtrodden, good people of America who are being marginalized by some evil, leftist group that wants to replace you with immigrants and take away your guns. He says all the things that get you warm and fuzzy inside.... but he doesn't mean any of it.
The people who are "out to get him" see him for the selfish, bad guy he is. You don't care.
He is guilty of the crimes he was impeached for, but saved by his party and the people he appointed. You don't care.
He did NOTHING while a mob damaged the capital and attacked the police. You don't care.
He took classified documents that he knew he shouldn't...who knows why. You don't care.
The only thing you care about is that he says what concerns you. Whether you're selfish or racist or angry or lonely...he tells you he loves you. You can't get enough.
What most in the "establishment" are betting on is that the folks in the middle and many on the right don't want to live in the past, and compliment the Emporer on his new clothes. The January 6 committee has detailed without question that Trump knew he lost, yet played to his crowd so he didn't have to admit one very painful reality. As the incumbent President, during the "greatest economy the world has ever seen"...he lost to an old man with limited charisma and questionable cognitive abilities. Biden was a bad candidate... and even with all of his advantages, Trump lost.
Now he wants to put people in places to ignore the results if necessary of the 2024 election. You say you're patriotic.... but you don't care if he destroys our country so you can feel good about yourself again...as a winner... regardless of the facts.
"This is no time for complacency. We have to seize this opportunity to deal with the radical left socialist lunatic fascists. We have to hit them very, very hard. It has to be a crippling defeat."
No doubt "centrists" are tickled and ready to give him another chance...
