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Posted: Jan 24, 2020 - 10:07am

Pentagon: 34 U.S. troops suffered brain injuries following Iran attack
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Posted: Jan 24, 2020 - 9:03am

ScottFromWyoming wrote:
1. Okay, I retract "anyone," but, y'know. Pretty sure Trump wasn't married to any of them NTTAWWT

Speaking of people Trump is married to...Giuliani probably would have to implicate himself in skullduggery one way or another, so he could take the 5th. Likewise the Ukrainian henchmen (who now seem keen to cooperate, but they haven't been invited back).

2. I keep seeing the Republican talking point that the House impeachment was "rushed" and that the time for hearing testimony was before things got to the Senate. So the GOP was hoping that the House would slow the process down and force the Supremes to force the witnesses to testify? That was their game plan? And then, what? The witnesses would perjure themselves and absolve the president?

I have no idea if they even had a game plan other than run out the clock until the election. They were blessed with inept opponents, too obsessed with their own sputtering rage to plan a campaign that would get people who aren't already in their camp to come along. Testifying over and over about how outraged they are doesn't outrage anyone else.

The Watergate investigation dragged out for over a year, keeping the story in the news the whole time. We don't have the same news media anymore—the Republicans now have representation in it, which wasn't there for Watergate—but everybody loves a scandal. Republicans kept the Benghazi hearings going right up to the election. So yes, the impeachment was rushed, probably fatally so.

They underestimated the cynicism of the public. Trump got caught abusing his power, but so has every president since Jimmy Carter. The hypocrisy is neck deep in Congress and Trump surfed the electorate's disgust with that all the way to the white house. All the fingers to the wind in the Senate

They have crawled so far up their collective waste chutes that they are betting everything on blue—both in impeachment and in their own presidential nomination process. The activist base seems determined to revisit their greatest hits from the McGovern campaign; if they could reanimate his corpse it might have a real shot at the top of the ticket. They've got the next best thing—geriatric relics of the Cold War vying to be the American Jeremy Corbin.

Think back to the Clinton impeachment. Failing to stick that dismount cost Republicans the top 3/4 of their congressional leadership. They looked partisan and inept and Slick Willie walked out of town with his head high.
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Posted: Jan 24, 2020 - 8:06am



 Lazy8 wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/interactiv...ScottFromWyoming wrote:
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is what you get after splitting all these hairs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She refused to testify and went to jail. As far as I know, anyone who refuses to testify goes to jail. I'm sure you'll tell me I'm wrong.

Well, I will.

If your testimony would incriminate you you can't be compelled to testify. Neither can your spouse (in some states) be forced to testify against you. And whether you get sent to jail or not is kinda up to the judge.

The point the meme was trying to make didn't land tho: all those people could have been compelled to testify had the subpoenas been pursued in court. They weren't.

The house subpoenaed 40 actual humans (and 2 agencies). Of those 25 testified. Those testifying have faced no real consequences despite being ordered not to, but those refusing (15, not 11) have faced no consequences either—because the House didn't pursue those consequences. They could have. They didn't.

The excuse being spun was that pursuing those subpoenas thru the courts would take years and years, and that once the case landed in the Senate Chief Justice Roberts would be right there to thump his gavel and rule that they couldn't dodge testifying. But US v. Nixon took only 3 months to get a unanimous decision from the Supreme Court that the president has to comply with subpoenas from the House. The first of the House subpoenas were issued in mid September; we could already have had such a ruling affirmed even if it had to go all the way to the Supremes—and it wouldn't. Lower courts would rule based on that precedent and Trump's case would collapse like a shell corporation selling Trump-branded charm school  franchises.

That Trump issued an (unlawful) order to them not to testify is on him. That they faced no consequences for obeying that order is on the House.
 
1. Okay, I retract "anyone," but, y'know. Pretty sure Trump wasn't married to any of them NTTAWWT

2. I keep seeing the Republican talking point that the House impeachment was "rushed" and that the time for hearing testimony was before things got to the Senate. So the GOP was hoping that the House would slow the process down and force the Supremes to force the witnesses to testify? That was their game plan? And then, what? The witnesses would perjure themselves and absolve the president?

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Posted: Jan 24, 2020 - 7:41am

kurtster wrote:
This in essence makes the article citing "Obstruction Of Congress" as phony as a $3 bill.

Trump obstructed Congress. Congress didn't take him to court to fight it, but that doesn't absolve him.

If someone breaks into your house and steals your goldfish bowl but you don't try to get it back because you think he's going to jail for bank robbery next month he's still a burglar, and you can still prosecute.
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Posted: Jan 24, 2020 - 7:09am



 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
We've become so used to it, that you really have to take a moment to truly appreciate just how insane things are.

The linked tweet from Trump reads:
After having been treated unbelievably unfairly in the House, and then having to endure hour after hour of lies, fraud & deception by Shifty Schiff, Cryin’ Chuck Schumer & their crew, looks like my lawyers will be forced to start on Saturday, which is called Death Valley in T.V.

Unfairly in the house....hours of lies, fraud and deception.  His lawyers will offer NO PROOF over 3 days.  They'll talk about the Bidens, the media, the deep state,  the whistleblower, Obama, Clinton, the definition of "high crimes"....but not a single witness or document related to the interactions with Ukraine will be requested.  It's a hoax alright, and 42% of the country have been fooled.

Most appalling...the TV slot his defense team gets!  I told you it was fixed!!! 
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Posted: Jan 24, 2020 - 6:47am

Whiner In Chief
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Posted: Jan 24, 2020 - 6:11am

Breaking precedent, Trump to attend Washington anti-abortion march
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Posted: Jan 24, 2020 - 5:52am

FOX News!!! It’s got to be factual and TRUE : )
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Posted: Jan 24, 2020 - 5:50am

 Red_Dragon wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
  
 
I guess you haven't noticed that I deleted the post after realizing I was incorrect.


Meh ... 

Only because you were called out on it.
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Posted: Jan 24, 2020 - 5:48am

Carter Page FISA warrant lacked probable cause, DOJ admits in declassified assessment

At least two of the FBI’s surveillance applications to secretly monitor former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page lacked probable cause, according to a newly declassified summary of a Justice Department assessment released Thursday by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC).

The DOJ's admission essentially means that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant authorizations to surveil Page, when stripped of the FBI's misinformation, did not meet the necessary legal threshold and should never have been issued. Democrats, including California Rep. Adam Schiff, had previously insisted the Page FISA warrants met "rigorous" standards for probable cause, and mocked Republicans for suggesting otherwise.

Do read more.  The Deep State is going to be getting its day in court finally.
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Posted: Jan 24, 2020 - 5:44am

 Lazy8 wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/interactiv...ScottFromWyoming wrote:
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is what you get after splitting all these hairs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She refused to testify and went to jail. As far as I know, anyone who refuses to testify goes to jail. I'm sure you'll tell me I'm wrong.

Well, I will.

If your testimony would incriminate you you can't be compelled to testify. Neither can your spouse (in some states) be forced to testify against you. And whether you get sent to jail or not is kinda up to the judge.

The point the meme was trying to make didn't land tho: all those people could have been compelled to testify had the subpoenas been pursued in court. They weren't.

The house subpoenaed 40 actual humans (and 2 agencies). Of those 25 testified. Those testifying have faced no real consequences despite being ordered not to, but those refusing (15, not 11) have faced no consequences either—because the House didn't pursue those consequences. They could have. They didn't.

The excuse being spun was that pursuing those subpoenas thru the courts would take years and years, and that once the case landed in the Senate Chief Justice Roberts would be right there to thump his gavel and rule that they couldn't dodge testifying. But US v. Nixon took only 3 months to get a unanimous decision from the Supreme Court that the president has to comply with subpoenas from the House. The first of the House subpoenas were issued in mid September; we could already have had such a ruling affirmed even if it had to go all the way to the Supremes—and it wouldn't. Lower courts would rule based on that precedent and Trump's case would collapse like a shell corporation selling Trump-branded charm school  franchises.

That Trump issued an (unlawful) order to them not to testify is on him. That they faced no consequences for obeying that order is on the House.
 
This in essence makes the article citing "Obstruction Of Congress" as phony as a $3 bill.
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Posted: Jan 24, 2020 - 4:25am



 kurtster wrote:
  
 
I guess you haven't noticed that I deleted the post after realizing I was incorrect.

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Posted: Jan 23, 2020 - 10:11pm

https://www.cnn.com/interactiv...ScottFromWyoming wrote:
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is what you get after splitting all these hairs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She refused to testify and went to jail. As far as I know, anyone who refuses to testify goes to jail. I'm sure you'll tell me I'm wrong.

Well, I will.

If your testimony would incriminate you you can't be compelled to testify. Neither can your spouse (in some states) be forced to testify against you. And whether you get sent to jail or not is kinda up to the judge.

The point the meme was trying to make didn't land tho: all those people could have been compelled to testify had the subpoenas been pursued in court. They weren't.

The house subpoenaed 40 actual humans (and 2 agencies). Of those 25 testified. Those testifying have faced no real consequences despite being ordered not to, but those refusing (15, not 11) have faced no consequences either—because the House didn't pursue those consequences. They could have. They didn't.

The excuse being spun was that pursuing those subpoenas thru the courts would take years and years, and that once the case landed in the Senate Chief Justice Roberts would be right there to thump his gavel and rule that they couldn't dodge testifying. But US v. Nixon took only 3 months to get a unanimous decision from the Supreme Court that the president has to comply with subpoenas from the House. The first of the House subpoenas were issued in mid September; we could already have had such a ruling affirmed even if it had to go all the way to the Supremes—and it wouldn't. Lower courts would rule based on that precedent and Trump's case would collapse like a shell corporation selling Trump-branded charm school  franchises.

That Trump issued an (unlawful) order to them not to testify is on him. That they faced no consequences for obeying that order is on the House.
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Posted: Jan 23, 2020 - 9:32pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Once again you fail !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pathetic.

It is not what you are trying to claim.

She was imprisoned by a Federal Judge (not Republicans) for refusing to testify before a Grand Jury, not before Congress during an impeachment hearing.    Not even apples and oranges.  It's apples and rocks.
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Susan McDougal Jailed for Refusing to Testify
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Starr’s office previously had issued a statement saying McDougal’s defense team was “brazenly trying to deceive the public” about discussions they have had with his office and about her legal rights before the grand jury as a convicted felon.
...
Susan McDougal had been scheduled to report to prison Sept. 30 to begin serving a two-year term for her fraud conviction. The judge has not decided whether her two sentences will run concurrently or consecutively.
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is what you get after splitting all these hairs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She refused to testify and went to jail. As far as I know, anyone who refuses to testify goes to jail. I'm sure you'll tell me I'm wrong.
 
If you insist that the distinctions I made are so slight that it is only splitting hairs then I must conclude that we live in different galaxies.

Not to mention that you are defending a piss poor attempt at WHATABOUTISM

In doing so you have put WHATABOUTISM back on the table as a fair tactic.

Have a nice day.
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Posted: Jan 23, 2020 - 9:29pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Once again you fail !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pathetic.

It is not what you are trying to claim.

She was imprisoned by a Federal Judge for refusing to testify before a Grand Jury, not before Congress during an impeachment hearing.    Not even apples and oranges.  It's apples and rocks.
.
Susan McDougal Jailed for Refusing to Testify
.
Starr’s office previously had issued a statement saying McDougal’s defense team was “brazenly trying to deceive the public” about discussions they have had with his office and about her legal rights before the grand jury as a convicted felon.
...
Susan McDougal had been scheduled to report to prison Sept. 30 to begin serving a two-year term for her fraud conviction. The judge has not decided whether her two sentences will run concurrently or consecutively.
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is what you get after splitting all these hairs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She refused to testify and went to jail. As far as I know, anyone who refuses to testify goes to jail. I'm sure you'll tell me I'm wrong.
 

Amazing isn't it?
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Posted: Jan 23, 2020 - 8:55pm



 kurtster wrote:

Once again you fail !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pathetic.

It is not what you are trying to claim.

She was imprisoned by a Federal Judge for refusing to testify before a Grand Jury, not before Congress during an impeachment hearing.    Not even apples and oranges.  It's apples and rocks.
.
Susan McDougal Jailed for Refusing to Testify
.
Starr’s office previously had issued a statement saying McDougal’s defense team was “brazenly trying to deceive the public” about discussions they have had with his office and about her legal rights before the grand jury as a convicted felon.
...
Susan McDougal had been scheduled to report to prison Sept. 30 to begin serving a two-year term for her fraud conviction. The judge has not decided whether her two sentences will run concurrently or consecutively.
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is what you get after splitting all these hairs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She refused to testify and went to jail. As far as I know, anyone who refuses to testify goes to jail. I'm sure you'll tell me I'm wrong.
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Posted: Jan 23, 2020 - 7:37pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

The current level here is just checkers.

That is what makes it pathetic.
 
Oh, the projection.

 
Really ?  These are the two items that I have disagreed with you on.  So you still stand behind the assertions that you made with these two that they are correct ?

kurtster wrote:
Red_Dragon wrote:
 
I give up.  Who is that you have circled there ?  I know the picture is from 1990.
  
You refused to answer my question saying that, "I am not your Google monkey".

It's a good thing I preserved this one because you have since deleted it as well as your reply to me where you made the "Google monkey" remark.

and the current one ...
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 Red_Dragon wrote:
   
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Posted: Jan 23, 2020 - 6:47pm



 jahgirl8 wrote:


 Red_Dragon wrote:


 R_P wrote:
"(T)he person he most often singled out for praise was himself "— 2,026 times.
 

Of course.
 Given the constant onslaught of insult and personal attack this man is under day after day, he needs some praise somehow, so if patting himself on the back is the best he can get, why begrudge it?


 
I just wish he would do it in the privacy of his own prison cell

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Posted: Jan 23, 2020 - 6:35pm



 Red_Dragon wrote:


 R_P wrote:
"(T)he person he most often singled out for praise was himself "— 2,026 times.
 

Of course.
 Given the constant onslaught of insult and personal attack this man is under day after day, he needs some praise somehow, so if patting himself on the back is the best he can get, why begrudge it?


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Posted: Jan 23, 2020 - 6:15pm



 kurtster wrote:

The current level here is just checkers.

That is what makes it pathetic.
 
Oh, the projection.

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