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miamizsun

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Posted: Jul 23, 2019 - 12:38pm

 Steely_D wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:
what's possible?

...

just curious
 

Getting information
Processing it - with as little prejudice as possible
Speak your truth with respect for yourself and the audience
Then, that's all

You can't control what others do, only what you do
And your unhappiness with how they behave is a waste of your life
 

i see your point and i've said/thought something very similar

however, i was thinking something a little more than that

seems we all get caught up and talk past each other

not very effective at building a solution

frustration, loathing, contempt, anger and even hate

what is the way forward?

to the board:

i did see something the other day that inspired a bit

a discussion about motive attribution asymmetry 

or political motive attribution asymmetry

not all people on the other side of the aisle (right or left) are bad or evil

far from it

looking into this may take a few minutes of your undivided time

i think it's worth it

regards

Motive attribution asymmetry for love vs. hate drives intractable conflict

recently arthur brooks spoke about it on ted





from his bio and recent book "Love Your Enemies" it looks like he is serious 

i encourage people to have an open mind and explore
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Posted: Jul 23, 2019 - 11:43am

 westslope wrote:
Afghanistan alarmed by Trump comments of wiping it 'off the face of the Earth'

Afghanistan called on Tuesday for an explanation of comments by U.S. President Donald Trump in which he said he could win the Afghan war in just 10 days by wiping out Afghanistan but did not want to kill 10 million people.

Gee, that is strange.  I thought the USA invaded and occupied Afghanistan almost 2 decades ago because it wanted a semi-permanent theatre where it could practise killing people.  If Trump kills everybody, then the Afghan theatre loses its usefulness. 
 
Sounds like he doesn't (really) want to win...

10 million is roughly a third of the population. I doubt that would result in a win (in whatever way that might be defined) or is even feasible.
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Posted: Jul 23, 2019 - 11:15am


Every single time I hear his name, I  cringe. I cannot stand to see his orange face everywhere. I am so, beyond tired of him and his circus. 
 VV wrote:


 BlueHeronDruid wrote:
 

So incredibly spot-on. And I’m personally tired of people who continue to support this human blight by contorting his words to find a less offensive meaning that they can try and  live with.
 


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Posted: Jul 23, 2019 - 11:12am



 BlueHeronDruid wrote:
 

So incredibly spot-on. And I’m personally tired of people who continue to support this human blight by contorting his words to find a less offensive meaning that they can try and  live with.
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Posted: Jul 23, 2019 - 11:11am

 Lazy8 wrote:
R_P wrote:

He's a good man and has a legitimate shot. Not crazy about the way his campaign is being managed but looking forward to him debating his fairly loathsome rival.
 
Yeah, I read your previous posts on him. Hope he wins.

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Posted: Jul 23, 2019 - 11:10am



 Lazy8 wrote:
R_P wrote:

He's a good man and has a legitimate shot. Not crazy about the way his campaign is being managed but looking forward to him debating his fairly loathsome rival.
 

Wilmot Collins is a brave, courageous person.  A shout out to the Montanans who have supported him and his family.  Here's wishing him luck in his bid for senate seat.
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Posted: Jul 23, 2019 - 10:56am

Afghanistan alarmed by Trump comments of wiping it 'off the face of the Earth'

Afghanistan called on Tuesday for an explanation of comments by U.S. President Donald Trump in which he said he could win the Afghan war in just 10 days by wiping out Afghanistan but did not want to kill 10 million people.


Gee, that is strange.  I thought the USA invaded and occupied Afghanistan almost 2 decades ago because it wanted a semi-permanent theatre where it could practise killing people.  If Trump kills everybody, then the Afghan theatre loses its usefulness.  

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Posted: Jul 23, 2019 - 10:54am

R_P wrote:

He's a good man and has a legitimate shot. Not crazy about the way his campaign is being managed but looking forward to him debating his fairly loathsome rival.
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Posted: Jul 23, 2019 - 10:40am

He Was Told to Go Back to Africa. Instead, He May Go to the U.S. Senate.
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Posted: Jul 23, 2019 - 10:19am



 kurtster wrote:
You're absolutely correct. My only point is that there can be more than one definition of a word or phrase. Trying to limit the definition to a single meaning and make it the only meaningful definition to discredit an argument is not a good thing. This is the essence of political correctness.

My original point which seems to be lost in this uproar over a term that I used is that speech and different views need to be tolerated while there should be a zero tolerance for violence. Burning the flag, while offensive to many is protected speech. Seems lately that the flag burners (so to speak) want to decide who is to be heard and not heard and have zero tolerance for those who disagree with them.
 
Well, not the majority of 'liberal' people, or 'left-leaning' people.   Yes, I've heard some people say how 'certain' speech (i.e. Nazi/white supremacist speech) should not be protected by the First Amendment, but those groups are relatively small - though occasionally quite vocal.   The ACLU, one of the Right's most hated entities, certainly does not believe that - though ironically they have sometime harsh criticism about that from some on the extreme left.   Antifa is not a very large group in the US, despite what Trump or his minions may claim.  We all know how the extreme groups from the left or the right are often cited by their opponents as examples of the whole.
  
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Posted: Jul 23, 2019 - 9:55am

 Proclivities wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Can't leave this unanswered.

Maybe in your world, but not always.

What does it mean to give no quarter?

Give no quarter is a phrase that started with a literal meaning and eventually became an idiom with a figurative meaning. ... To give no quarter means to show no mercy, to award no clemency. To give no quarter originally applied to military situations....

 
Well, it is a very old phrase, and does have origins  in military usage.  Like a lot of old phrases - especially ones from the UK - contemporary American usage may not always carry the same meaning, but it still means to extend no mercy.  This UK site is an excellent source and has a more detailed and researched explanation:

"'Quarter' has long been used to mean 'exemption from being immediately put to death granted to a vanquished opponent by the victor in a battle or fight'. That is exemplified in the definition in Randle Cotgrave's A dictionarie of the French and English tongues, 1611:
Quartier - quarter, or faire war, wherein souldiers are taken prisoners and ransomed at a certaine rate.
To 'give no quarter' derives from this wasn't a phrase welcome to the ears of anyone captured as, 'no quarter given' was effectively a death sentence
..."
 
You're absolutely correct.  My only point is that there can be more than one definition of a word or phrase.  Trying to limit the definition to a single meaning and make it the only meaningful definition to discredit an argument is not a good thing.  This is the essence of political correctness.

My original point which seems to be lost in this uproar over a term that I used is that speech and different views need to be tolerated while there should be a zero tolerance for violence.  Burning the flag, while offensive to many is protected speech.  Seems lately that the flag burners (so to speak) want to decide who is to be heard and not heard and have zero tolerance for those who disagree with them.
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Posted: Jul 23, 2019 - 7:24am

 kurtster wrote:
 something something "Portland" something something "Antifa"
 
Next we're no doubt going to hear breathless reports about "Antifa no-go zones" in major US cities.
You heard it here first, folks . . .
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Posted: Jul 23, 2019 - 4:44am



 kurtster wrote:

Can't leave this unanswered.

Maybe in your world, but not always.

What does it mean to give no quarter?

Give no quarter is a phrase that started with a literal meaning and eventually became an idiom with a figurative meaning. ... To give no quarter means to show no mercy, to award no clemency. To give no quarter originally applied to military situations....

 
Well, it is a very old phrase, and does have origins  in military usage.  Like a lot of old phrases - especially ones from the UK - contemporary American usage may not always carry the same meaning, but it still means to extend no mercy.  This UK site is an excellent source and has a more detailed and researched explanation:

"'Quarter' has long been used to mean 'exemption from being immediately put to death granted to a vanquished opponent by the victor in a battle or fight'. That is exemplified in the definition in Randle Cotgrave's A dictionarie of the French and English tongues, 1611:
Quartier - quarter, or faire war, wherein souldiers are taken prisoners and ransomed at a certaine rate.
To 'give no quarter' derives from this wasn't a phrase welcome to the ears of anyone captured as, 'no quarter given' was effectively a death sentence
..."
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Posted: Jul 22, 2019 - 10:25pm



 kurtster wrote:

Can't leave this unanswered.

Maybe in your world, but not always.

What does it mean to give no quarter?

Give no quarter is a phrase that started with a literal meaning and eventually became an idiom with a figurative meaning. ... To give no quarter means to show no mercy, to award no clemency. To give no quarter originally applied to military situations.

Give no quarter Idiom Definition – Grammarist
https://grammarist.com/idiom/give-no-quarter/
.
In my context which is consistent with the above, I meant it as they do not get a pass on any unlawful action(s).  They do more than assembling and speaking and initiate breaking people or things, then take them out.  But until that line is crossed, well you just have to tolerate them, ignore them and hope that they go away.  

But then again we've had discussions here where some have tried to justify throwing the first punch.  Must be a generational thing or something.

 
Yeah I know all the contextual twists of the term, was just over-highlighting the contradiction: you can't really ignore them AND have a policy of No Quarter.

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Posted: Jul 22, 2019 - 9:26pm



 kurtster wrote:
This country is well on its way to being a lawless and dangerous place. We have legislators / lawmakers openly encouraging people to break the laws they write and even giving advice on how to do it. Or am I missing something ?
 

Please find a similar video for Carter, Clinton, or Obama. If there isn't one, then we see where the encouragement has been coming from.



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Posted: Jul 22, 2019 - 9:19pm

 westslope wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
.......
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In my context which is consistent with the above, I meant it as they do not get a pass on any unlawful action(s).  They do more than assembling and speaking and initiate breaking people or things, then take them out.  But until that line is crossed, well you just have to tolerate them, ignore them and hope that they go away.  

But then again we've had discussions here where some have tried to justify throwing the first punch.  Must be a generational thing or something.

 
Interesting.   If you are hinting at the notion that too many self-styled liberals and progressives support righteous political violence, then I agree.

If you are hinting that racists have a right to free assembly, I agree.  If you start locking up racists, there will not be enough jails.

But if you are implying that the President of the USA should not take a role in discouraging racist and other similar 'us versus them' attitudes, then I strongly disagree.    Trump is doing more damage to the USA than dozens of sworn foreign enemies could ever inflict.

 
Ah !!  The thought police !  They're just around the corner.

And no I am not suggesting that a POTUS should not discourage racism.  Quite the contrary, while he / she should advocate for the free speech of everyone, he / she should also warn that there are and will be serious consequences for those that step beyond just speaking and initiate violence, regardless who is responsible.

Been paying attention to Portland, just a few clicks south of you ?  Seems that ANTIFA has taken over downtown and the Mayor even is supporting their activities by not stopping their violence; telling his police to stand down ...   This country is well on its way to being a lawless and dangerous place.  We have legislators / lawmakers openly encouraging people to break the laws they write and even giving advice on how to do it.  Or am I missing something ? 

Trump can say anything he wants, but it is meaningless because all enforcement is local.  Look at who runs the big cities in this country.  Sure as hell ain't Trump people.
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Posted: Jul 22, 2019 - 6:45pm

The Squad v the mob: that's what the 2020 election boils down to
Omar’s responses exemplify her courage. The mob’s chants reflect nothing but their cowardice, for you’d have to be a fool not to recognize how spineless it is whenever a mob turns on an individual.

But even more significant is the fundamental difference between the Squad and the mob, and by Squad I don’t mean only these four congresswomen. All who fight to fulfil the ideals of the country and represent the will of the people are in the Squad. They are the people. Those who demand that any and all criticism be subordinated to party and nation belong to the mob.

“While the people in all great revolutions fight for true representation,” Hannah Arendt once wrote, “the mob will always shout for the ‘strong man’, the ‘great leader’. For the mob hates society from which it is excluded.”

A glimmer of that mob hatred was on display on Wednesday, but let’s be clear. We have only just begun to see the mob in this election campaign. And what has always worried me more than Donald Trump himself is the mob behind him. What should be concerning to us is not that we, as a nation, have unleashed Trump. What’s most troubling is what Trump unleashes in us.

westslope

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Posted: Jul 22, 2019 - 6:22pm



 kurtster wrote:
.......
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In my context which is consistent with the above, I meant it as they do not get a pass on any unlawful action(s).  They do more than assembling and speaking and initiate breaking people or things, then take them out.  But until that line is crossed, well you just have to tolerate them, ignore them and hope that they go away.  

But then again we've had discussions here where some have tried to justify throwing the first punch.  Must be a generational thing or something.

 
Interesting.   If you are hinting at the notion that too many self-styled liberals and progressives support righteous political violence, then I agree.

If you are hinting that racists have a right to free assembly, I agree.  If you start locking up racists, there will not be enough jails.

But if you are implying that the President of the USA should not take a role in discouraging racist and other similar 'us versus them' attitudes, then I strongly disagree.    Trump is doing more damage to the USA than dozens of sworn foreign enemies could ever inflict.



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Posted: Jul 22, 2019 - 6:11pm



 kurtster wrote:

Can't leave this unanswered.

Maybe in your world, but not always.

What does it mean to give no quarter?

Give no quarter is a phrase that started with a literal meaning and eventually became an idiom with a figurative meaning. ... To give no quarter means to show no mercy, to award no clemency. To give no quarter originally applied to military situations.

Give no quarter Idiom Definition – Grammarist
https://grammarist.com/idiom/give-no-quarter/
.
In my context which is consistent with the above, I meant it as they do not get a pass on any unlawful action(s).  They do more than assembling and speaking and initiate breaking people or things, then take them out.  But until that line is crossed, well you just have to tolerate them, ignore them and hope that they go away.  

But then again we've had discussions here where some have tried to justify throwing the first punch.  Must be a generational thing or something.

 

Oh, the hairs you split to continue supporting your orange hate goblin. Amazing.
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Posted: Jul 22, 2019 - 5:46pm

“Pakistan’s going to help us out to extricate ourselves,” Trump said at an Oval Office meeting with Khan. “We’re like policemen. We’re not fighting a war. If we wanted to fight a war in Afghanistan and win it, I could win that war in a week. But I don’t want to kill 10 million people. Afghanistan could be wiped off the face of the Earth. I don’t want to go that route.”
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