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Posted: Oct 23, 2019 - 7:45am

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Posted: Oct 23, 2019 - 7:03am



 maryte wrote:

Exactly.  And thank you for your kind words.  Means a lot to me.
 

You're on a different list. :wave:
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Posted: Oct 23, 2019 - 6:40am

 islander wrote:
Diversion.

Kurtster is the one who brought up race in the context of language and then tried defend it. Not much came of it, so he again brought it up. No one was doing much with it, so he brought it up again with his "OK fine..." post. No one was talking about it as a race issue at the time.  There's nothing to defend here.
 
Exactly.  And thank you for your kind words.  Means a lot to me.
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Posted: Oct 23, 2019 - 6:08am

Diversion.

Kurtster is the one who brought up race in the context of language and then tried defend it. Not much came of it, so he again brought it up. No one was doing much with it, so he brought it up again with his "OK fine..." post. No one was talking about it as a race issue at the time.  There's nothing to defend here.
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Posted: Oct 23, 2019 - 6:03am

The diplomat took notes. Then he told a story.
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Posted: Oct 23, 2019 - 5:20am

 Huh, maybe this word has been loosely thrown around more than we thought and is more a symptom of systemic racial insensitivity{#Eek}.   And this is coming from the candidate that has the most African American support:

 

Biden apologizes for 1998 "partisan lynching" comment

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-apologizes-1998-partisan-lynching-082945794.html

 

 "Biden wasn't alone in referring to Clinton's impeachment proceedings as a lynching in 1998, according to The Washington Post. The Post identified at least five other lawmakers — representatives Danny K. Davis, Gregory W. Meeks, Jim McDermott, Charles B. Rangel, and Jerrold Nadler — who also compared the Clinton proceedings to a "lynching," or referred to Clinton's opponents as a "lynch mob."

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Posted: Oct 23, 2019 - 4:18am



 kurtster wrote:
Ok.  Fine.

So all of you Rhodes scholars have made it quite clear that only a black man can be lynched in America, what do you call it when it happens to a white man ?
 
Your argument about the literal definition of "lynching" to defend Trump's use of the word seems disingenuous at best.   Certainly, literal word definitions matter and are often ignored in the public forum, but that word has become a racially charged word and has very distinct connotations in the context of the last 100 years of country's history.  In our lifetimes (as recently as the 1970s) black citizens were lynched (tortured, shot, mutilated, burned) by white mobs in this country; we're not talking about horse thieves being lynched in the days of the old west.  When was the last time a white man was lynched in the US?  Perhaps it's the connotations we get from that word; when I hear it I think of Emmett Till or the "strange fruit" that Billie Holiday sang about, and many other people do as well - maybe you do not.  What Trump was trying to imply by using that word cannot really be known (he impulsively uses charged words with little concern), but given his history of repeatedly using certain phrases to denigrate (only) African-American detractors, one could see why many people were offended.  Even your buddy Mitch McConnell said it was a poor and unfortunate choice of words.  Does Trump just babble and carelessly throw words out there?  Yes, but I don't know if that's what happened this time - probably another one of his misdirection tactics.  I side with the opinions expressed by Rod and SirD.

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Posted: Oct 23, 2019 - 3:57am

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Just about everyone knows that real lynchings can and have happened in virtually every society. And just about everyone also knows that in our very recent U.S. history, it was predominantly used to terrorize and eliminate black slaves. To use that term in American politics is a trigger and dog whistle type wink to the base. Even 45 knows this. Do you know who else knows this? Sycophant, party above country, Lindsey f*cking Graham (he needs a shorter nickname) knew this when he said that this is indeed a lynching “in every sense of the word”. 🙄🙄 The word wasn’t just tossed out there. It was used for a reason. 
 
Yes, it is quite unfortunate and unnecessary.  It is difficult to defend this word usage as being anything but deliberate.  Of all the descriptions to use it does appear they went out of their way to use this one.  Very sad, he seems intent on making it harder than it has to be. {#Cry}  Kumbaya may be naïve, but this country does not need deliberate antagonism either.  
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Posted: Oct 23, 2019 - 12:42am



 kurtster wrote:
Ok.  Fine.

So all of you Rhodes scholars have made it quite clear that only a black man can be lynched in America, what do you call it when it happens to a white man ?
 
While non-black people have been hanged by mobs in US history, the lynchings of black men and women were socially acceptable events—to the point that people would gather from miles around to witness the hangings. They'd have picnics and even buy picture postcards of the still-hanged victims and the surrounding crowds, sending "wish you were here" and "having a great time" messages to folks who couldn't make it to watch the fun. So American history tends to associate the word "lynching" with hanging black people, sometimes outside the bounds of the law and sometimes not.

Putting that aside, men in politics have learned that angry, even hysterical outbursts can win them sympathy or some respite from accusations against them. Clarence Thomas complained that the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearing of Anita Hill's accusation against him was "a high-tech lynching." Bret Kavanaugh ranted and broke into tears after being accused of sexual harassment during his confirmation hearings. Trump is using the same tactic to somehow claim that the impeachment inquiry hearings are unfair or fixed or who knows.

All three men faced questions and investigations that were allowed and necessary as part of formal hearings bound and guided by federal laws and regulations. These were and are not kangaroo courts. But there is something in our society that still gives some credence to these unfounded complaints of injustice.

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Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 11:58pm



 steeler wrote:
 Career diplomats like Bill Taylor and Marie Yovanovitch are “radical unelected bureaucrats waging war on the Constitution?”  Please. These are respected foreign service officers  who have served as ambassadors across multiple administrations, appointed by Republican  and Democratic presidents.

Other than the President and members of Congress, everyone  working in and for the federal government is unelected. 

Stephanie Grisham might as well have just chanted: Deep State! Deep State! Deep State!

Please.

 



Thank you.
I read a portion of that idiotic piece at thefederalist.com but gave up due its overwhelming Reality Distortion Field.

Taylor's testimony agrees with the whistleblower's complaint and other sources. It'll be interesting to see whether John Bolton will testify. He's preparing a book that's sharply critical of Trump's foreign policy but will he be willing to help impeach Trump?


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Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 9:26pm

 Career diplomats like Bill Taylor and Marie Yovanovitch are “radical unelected bureaucrats waging war on the Constitution?”  Please. These are respected foreign service officers  who have served as ambassadors across multiple administrations, appointed by Republican  and Democratic presidents.

Other than the President and members of Congress, everyone  working in and for the federal government is unelected. 

Stephanie Grisham might as well have just chanted: Deep State! Deep State! Deep State!

Please.

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Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 7:24pm



 
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westslope wrote:
Incidentally, Syria does not produce very much oil but I can readily imagine how these utterances would be popular with his base who place much value on the cheap energy entitlement.
 
I was on Obama's case and also McCain's case at the same time when they / we first wanted to go into Syria, to take out Assad and further fuck up the Middle East ala Libya and Iraq. Another bullshit regime change war. And that is essentially what I called it back then. Obama's "no boots on the ground" policy is how we got our asses into Syria in the first place, oh and that imaginary "Red Line".

To be clear, the USA invaded northern Syria in order to resolve the Dae'sh challenge created by the US invasion and occupation of Iraq.   But the ease with which the USA is willing to rain terror from the skies probably makes it easier to get involved.  

New rule:  If not willing to put 'boots on the ground, the strategic resource or asset is probably not worth pursuing using military means.

Contrary to what every one asserts and believes, Trump is the most anti war POTUS in my lifetime. And I've been around on this planet since while Truman was POTUS. Trump ran on limiting and ending wars, bringing our troops home. Seems that he and we, his supporters are the only ones fed up with all this endless war bullshit. Our exit was never going to go well and if it was announced, it would be even worse than it presently is now. If you heard any of Mattis at the Al Smith dealio the other night he said that the reason he left the administration was because Trump wanted to get out of Syria back then and he could not support it. So this exit was not a spur of the moment thing, contrary to the narrative of all the establishment war hawks and legacy media. And echoed below.

No.  He moved the US embassy to Jerusalem.  He rewarded the Israeli ethnic cleansing terrorists.  He said it was OK for the culturally superior good guys to kill and take.   

In the absence of war or violent chaos, there are laws, conventions, norms and contracts.  Frankly all of the preceding are contracts.   If socio-economic outcomes are best in systems that enjoy well-defined and respected economic property rights — individual and collective — then how does Trump help by 1) ripping up contracts as he sees fit, and 2) denigrating and disrespecting people. 

If there is to be no war, something else has to take its place.   Trump seems completely insouciant as he trashes and denigrates international economic and security arrangements.  He tore up the TPP.  
Syria has an oil pipeline terminus that ISIS was using to sell Iraqi oil in order to finance their caliphate. I believe that is the oil that Trump is referring to. Whatever, everyone wants Trump to stay and get the USA involved even deeper into the Middle East waste more American lives and money and get in between the Shia and the Sunni. Are y'all nucking futz or what ?


Huh?  I thought Trump had declared over Daesh?   You mean he lied about that?   Wow.  
   
Has Trump exhausted all avenues? 

Why not sit down and talk with Assad's government, with Russia, and Turkey present?   Show us that the USA really cares about ordinary civilians.  Put this mess behind us, cost effectively.

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Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 6:17pm

 kurtster wrote:
Ok.  Fine.

So all of you Rhodes scholars have made it quite clear that only a black man can be lynched in America, what do you call it when it happens to a white man ?
 
A pity party?
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Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 6:01pm

The British tabloids have Trump pegged down.  See:  

Trump humiliated by female astronauts who fact check his space blunder during live call



Two comments:

1) If another US president had made this relatively innocent mistake, all would be forgiven.  

2)  Trump is demonstrating the down side of poor reading skills for a job like this.  
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Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 5:55pm



 kurtster wrote:
Ok.  Fine.

So all of you Rhodes scholars have made it quite clear that only a black man can be lynched in America, what do you call it when it happens to a white man ?
 

In the case of Donald J. Trumpicus?    A mercy lynching.  
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Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 5:52pm

Ok.  Fine.

So all of you Rhodes scholars have made it quite clear that only a black man can be lynched in America, what do you call it when it happens to a white man ?
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Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 3:23pm

Just about everyone knows that real lynchings can and have happened in virtually every society. And just about everyone also knows that in our very recent U.S. history, it was predominantly used to terrorize and eliminate black slaves. To use that term in American politics is a trigger and dog whistle type wink to the base. Even 45 knows this. Do you know who else knows this? Sycophant, party above country, Lindsey f*cking Graham (he needs a shorter nickname) knew this when he said that this is indeed a lynching “in every sense of the word”. 🙄🙄 The word wasn’t just tossed out there. It was used for a reason. 
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Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 2:34pm



 kurtster wrote:

Yeah, well it is what it is.

As I watch the public disintegration of Hillary everyone I don't like is a Russian agent asset Clinton, I feel more comfortable with my choice of Trump.
 


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Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 1:40pm

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I think the world generally, and the world of the powerful in particular, is far less lucid and more incoherent than most assume. The main difference between Trump and his predecessors is that the professional class / deep state / neoliberal order / whatever-you-want-to-call-it is fluent in a language that imposes a kind of regulative fiction on that chaos. Their fluency gives them a patina of legitimacy and not a little power over the less fluent, which comforts some normies but also drives conspiratorial thinking. Trump and a lot of the people around him lack this fluency and have no interest in cultivating it.

I'd go a step further: Or competence in the discipline of governing that begat it.
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Posted: Oct 22, 2019 - 12:59pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

still plugging for your man Kurtster? Gotta give you marks for loyalty.
 
Yeah, well it is what it is.

As I watch the public disintegration of Hillary everyone I don't like is a Russian agent Clinton, I feel more comfortable with my choice of Trump.
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