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Posted: Sep 20, 2023 - 12:33am



Remember when chatting about the weather wasn’t sinister and weird?




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Posted: Sep 18, 2023 - 8:46am

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It was nicer than usual in Denver, so that must mean this chart is wrong. 
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Posted: Sep 18, 2023 - 7:58am

 R_P wrote:
Oh Yeah! Wait till next year! 

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Posted: Sep 17, 2023 - 12:10pm

NASA confirms summer 2023 was Earth's hottest on record

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Posted: Sep 14, 2023 - 3:14pm

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Wow, even the Wall Street Journal is calling Exxon hypocrites.


Better (too) late than never.

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Posted: Sep 14, 2023 - 2:28pm

Wow, even the Wall Street Journal is calling Exxon hypocrites. You could argue a company is in its right to protect its business model, even if it's ultimately on a road to failure...but you cross the line when you "spin" the story or outright lie about even the real facts and conclusions from your own research and people. Not sure what is worse, companies/managers that do that, or fools who see no harm.

some excerpts


Inside Exxon’s Strategy to Downplay Climate Change

Internal documents show what the oil giant said publicly was very different from how it approached the issue privately in the Tillerson era


Yet behind closed doors, Exxon took a very different tack: Its executives strategized over how to diminish concerns about warming temperatures, and they sought to muddle scientific findings that might hurt its oil-and-gas business, according to internal Exxon documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal and interviews with former executives.

Exxon’s public acceptance in 2006 of the risks posed by climate change was an early act of Rex Tillerson, an Exxon lifer who became CEO that year. Some viewed him as a moderating force who brought Exxon in line with the scientific consensus.

The documents reviewed by the Journal, which haven’t been previously reported, cast Tillerson’s decadelong tenure in a different light. They show that Tillerson, as well as some of Exxon’s board directors and other top executives, sought to cast doubt on the severity of climate change’s impacts. Exxon scientists supported research that questioned the findings of mainstream climate science, even after the company said it would stop funding think tanks and others that promoted climate-change denial.

Exxon is now a defendant in dozens of lawsuits around the U.S. that accuse it and other oil companies of deception over climate change and that aim to collect billions of dollars in damages. Prosecutors and attorneys involved in some of the cases are seeking some of the documents reviewed by the Journal, which were part of a previous investigation by New York’s attorney general but never made public.

“The general perception is that Tillerson was softer and stopped funding the bad guys” that were espousing climate change denial, said Lee Wasserman, the director of the Rockefeller Family Fund, a charity that partly focuses on environmental issues. “This is the first X-ray into Tillerson’s head and shows he wanted to throw climate mitigation off the rails. It’s obituary-changing.”

Exxon’s public shift on climate change came after the Royal Society, a British scientific academy, criticized the company for spreading “inaccurate and misleading” views on climate science in 2006. Exxon responded in a letter that it recognized “the accumulation of greenhouse gases in the Earth’s atmosphere poses risks that may prove significant for society and ecosystems.”

While Tillerson and others played down the risks posed by climate change, Exxon’s scientists were themselves modeling alarming increases in carbon emissions without dramatic reductions in fossil-fuel consumption.

https://www.wsj.com/business/e...
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Posted: Sep 7, 2023 - 3:36pm

(2021)

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Posted: Aug 29, 2023 - 1:03pm

Conservatives have already written a climate plan for Trump’s second term
Conservative groups have crafted a plan for demolishing the federal government’s efforts to counter climate change — and it wouldn’t stop with President Joe Biden’s policies.

The 920-page blueprint, whose hundreds of authors include former Trump administration officials, would go far beyond past GOP efforts to slash environmental agencies’ budgets or oust “deep state” employees.

Called Project 2025, it would block the expansion of the electrical grid for wind and solar energy; slash funding for the Environmental Protection Agency’s environmental justice office; shutter the Energy Department’s renewable energy offices; prevent states from adopting California’s car pollution standards; and delegate more regulation of polluting industries to Republican state officials. (...)

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Posted: Aug 26, 2023 - 5:06am

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Maybe a season is the reasonable minimum for climate.


Three decades is what is often used elsewhere.

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Posted: Aug 25, 2023 - 11:24am

"Winter heatwave"

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Posted: Aug 24, 2023 - 6:59pm

Another record, sports fans.

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Posted: Aug 24, 2023 - 12:05pm

G20 poured more than $1tn into fossil fuel subsidies despite Cop26 pledges – report
Public money still flowing into industry despite agreement to phase out ‘inefficient’ subsidies, thinktank says
3-in-5 Canadians attribute climate change and global warming to human activity: survey
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Posted: Aug 23, 2023 - 6:33pm


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Posted: Aug 23, 2023 - 11:21am

 Proclivities wrote:

Yeah, I guess because averages over years are showing these increases and extreme events, etc.  His tweet isn't really careless with that conflation of weather and climate, but I have seen a number of much more alarmist/sensationalist articles and headlines which are.  It just seems like something people need to be very conscious of - as I said "devil's advocate".


Maybe a season is the reasonable minimum for climate.

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Posted: Aug 23, 2023 - 11:03am

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Thoughts and prayers for the moisture.

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Posted: Aug 23, 2023 - 10:54am

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The heat dome is weather and he's using one extreme weather phenomenon to make a point about this summer (climate). From your link:
In most places, weather can change from minute-to-minute, hour-to-hour, day-to-day, and season-to-season. Climate, however, is the average of weather over time and space. An easy way to remember the difference is that climate is what you expect, like a very hot summer, and weather is what you get, like a hot day with pop-up thunderstorms.
Enough (short-term) extreme weather events will make the longer-term (climate) more extreme as well since the latter is based on averages over time.


Yeah, I guess because averages over years are showing these increases and extreme events, etc.  His tweet isn't really careless with that conflation of weather and climate, but I have seen a number of much more alarmist/sensationalist articles and headlines which are.  It just seems like something people need to be very conscious of - as I said "devil's advocate".

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Posted: Aug 23, 2023 - 10:31am

 Proclivities wrote:
Just to play devil's advocate: I don't necessarily disagree with his findings and theories but isn't he making the mistake that many climate deniers make - conflating weather with climate?  (i.e. "We had a lot of snow this winter, there's no such thing as global warming.") Shouldn't it be "the weather is this summer", not "the climate is this summer"?  I guess it's just semantics.
Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.

The heat dome is weather and he's using one extreme weather phenomenon to make a point about this summer (climate). From your link:
In most places, weather can change from minute-to-minute, hour-to-hour, day-to-day, and season-to-season. Climate, however, is the average of weather over time and space. An easy way to remember the difference is that climate is what you expect, like a very hot summer, and weather is what you get, like a hot day with pop-up thunderstorms.
Enough (short-term) extreme weather events will make the longer-term (climate) more extreme as well since the latter is based on averages over time.

Edit: He's now in a better position to judge with two-thirds of the summer gone/done.

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Posted: Aug 23, 2023 - 7:35am

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Just to play devil's advocate: I don't necessarily disagree with his findings and theories but isn't he making the mistake that many climate deniers make - conflating weather with climate?  (i.e. "We had a lot of snow this winter, there's no such thing as global warming.") Shouldn't it be "the weather is this summer", not "the climate is this summer"?  I guess it's just semantics.
Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time.
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