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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 - 9:45am


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Posted: Sep 20, 2019 - 7:29am

“I think it’s terrifying how much we are changing our planet, and how little is really done to counteract it.”
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Posted: Sep 18, 2019 - 9:46pm

More red herrings and FUD. Duh, it's a desert climate, which still doesn't mean that it's deserts everywhere, geographically and geologically speaking. It's arid and hot, but there's still variation (in the landscape like mountain ranges). The previous Geography page made that clear.

And yes, there's lots and lots of desert. I know, because I've lived there a few years, but it isn't only desert.

Back to Saudi desertification.

And to what the article was really about
While derailing international and U.S. domestic efforts to address climate change, Saudi Arabia is already experiencing some of its worst effects. The record high temperatures throughout the Arabian peninsula this summer will increasingly become the norm, according to researchers, making parts of the country and the entire Middle East region uninhabitable.

Meanwhile, to the west on the Red Sea coast, the Saudi city of Jeddah has begun flooding yearly. Saudi Arabia is ranked among the most “water stressed” countries in the world — a predicament it deals with by using both fossil fuel profits and fossil fuels themselves to desalinate and pump seawater.
Denial (driven by business interests) will still be costly, even (or maybe esp.) at home...
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Posted: Sep 18, 2019 - 9:00pm

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 kurtster wrote:
The most prominent feature of the peninsula is desert, but in the southwest, there are mountain ranges, which receive greater rainfall than the rest of the peninsula.

This picture is from 2006.  Perhaps you can call my attention to the area that would not be desert that your article refers to.  It would be easily seen green, right 

It means little whether or not you can see green on a map. You can see mountains as well (which aren't deserts either)...

I suggest you read the main Geography article to see there's some variation incl. the mountain ranges already mentioned.
 
Read it.  Has not changed my mind or my statement.  

Desertification

Considerable controversy exists over the proper definition of the term "desertification" for which Helmut Geist (2005) has identified more than 100 formal definitions. The most widely accepted[2] of these is that of the Princeton University Dictionary which defines it as "the process of fertile land transforming into desert typically as a result of deforestation, drought or improper/inappropriate agriculture".[7]

There are additional maps to be found there.  But your insistence that :

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It was there to point out that it isn't all desert. It if were, there could be no desertification.
  
Presses me to press you on your point.  The whole flipping region is already a Hot Desert CLIMATE  as defined by an established academic standard and has been since long before man had any influence on climate.  It makes your point meaningless and deceitful. AKA fear mongering.

Here is some more information. The bright red area designates Hot Desert in the Köppen-Geiger climate classification. The second map shows the whole world where this climate exists.

West Asia Köppen Map.png
By Peel, M. C., Finlayson, B. L., and McMahon, T. A. (University of Melbourne) - Hydrology and Earth System Sciences: "Updated world map of the Köppen-Geiger climate classification" (Supplement) - Original file was a JPG-file, this file is has been converted to a PNG-file, without extra modifications, by me (Jeroen)., CC BY-SA 3.0, Link

Koppen-Geiger Map BWh present.svg
By Beck, H.E., Zimmermann, N. E., McVicar, T. R., Vergopolan, N., Berg, A., & Wood, E. F. - "Present and future Köppen-Geiger climate classification maps at 1-km resolution". Nature Scientific Data. DOI:10.1038/sdata.2018.214., CC BY 4.0, Link

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Posted: Sep 18, 2019 - 7:30pm

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The most prominent feature of the peninsula is desert, but in the southwest, there are mountain ranges, which receive greater rainfall than the rest of the peninsula.

This picture is from 2006.  Perhaps you can call my attention to the area that would not be desert that your article refers to.  It would be easily seen green, right 

It means little whether or not you can see green on a map. You can see mountains as well (which aren't deserts either)...

I suggest you read the main Geography article to see there's some variation incl. the mountain ranges already mentioned.
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Posted: Sep 18, 2019 - 6:34pm

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I know it did.  I read the article.  Hence my remark about the failing effort to reclaim desert via irrigation.  A crucial bit of information left out to make it sound more dire than it really is.
 
It was there to point out that it isn't all desert. It if were, there could be no desertification.
 
The most prominent feature of the peninsula is desert, but in the southwest, there are mountain ranges, which receive greater rainfall than the rest of the peninsula.

This picture is from 2006.  Perhaps you can call my attention to the area that would not be desert that your article refers to.  It would be easily seen green, right ?



and for help in locating the boundaries ...



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Posted: Sep 18, 2019 - 5:35pm

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I know it did.  I read the article.  Hence my remark about the failing effort to reclaim desert via irrigation.  A crucial bit of information left out to make it sound more dire than it really is.
 
It was there to point out that it isn't all desert. It if were, there could be no desertification.
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Posted: Sep 18, 2019 - 5:21pm

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Yes, I knew it hasn't "been that way for eons" like you claimed. The oil has to come from somewhere too...

PS: The quote came from the article, which in turn provides the context.
 
I know it did.  I read the article.  Hence my remark about the failing effort to reclaim desert via irrigation.  A crucial bit of information left out to make it sound more dire than it really is.

I come from California.  We have real deserts there, too.  One of the few if not the only places on earth where you can find all the defined climate types in one geographical location.  I was taught that in 3rd grade when we learned California history.

SoCal is just one big desert that has been irrigated into what it is today.  It will soon revert as the population's need for drinking water is has eliminating ed the ability to irrigate for other purposes.  It is because of unrestrained population growth, not climate change.  Water rationing is the norm now.  Growing up, the annual rainfall for LA was 14 inches per year and it basically came all at once, in February and March.

Now I live a stone's throw from 20% of the world's fresh water supply, as do you.  One of the reasons I have not left.
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Posted: Sep 18, 2019 - 2:19pm



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....  If there was no oil, no one would be living there.  {Saudi Arabia}
 

That is incorrect.  Care to try again?
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Posted: Sep 18, 2019 - 2:16pm

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Yes, I knew it hasn't "been that way for eons" like you claimed. The oil has to come from somewhere too...

PS: The quote came from the article, which in turn provides the context.
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Posted: Sep 18, 2019 - 2:11pm

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Dude, it's a flipping desert.  They are known for being really hot places.  Desert

It has been that way for eons.  If there was no oil, no one would be living there.

Stable genius!
(...) rapid desertification was reported throughout the Arabian peninsula.
 
So the efforts to reclaim longstanding desert through irrigation are failing ?  Shocked, I am.

Or are you talking about the demise of the lush rain forest on the peninsula ?  

Did you know the Arabian desert used to be a green jungle?

Yep, caused by man and green house gasses ...
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Posted: Sep 18, 2019 - 1:49pm

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Dude, it's a flipping desert.  They are known for being really hot places.  Desert

It has been that way for eons.  If there was no oil, no one would be living there.

Stable genius!
(...) rapid desertification was reported throughout the Arabian peninsula.

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Posted: Sep 18, 2019 - 1:38pm

 R_P wrote: 
Dude, it's a flipping desert.  They are known for being really hot places.  Desert

It has been that way for eons.  If there was no oil, no one would be living there.
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Posted: Sep 18, 2019 - 1:18pm

Saudi Arabia Denies Its Key Role in Climate Change Even as It Prepares for the Worst
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Posted: Sep 16, 2019 - 6:11pm

"Attacks against women climate leaders can be explained by the relationship between misogyny and climate denialism sexism, an ideology that promotes patriarchal social relations. Climate denialism has also been linked to traditional assumptions of masculinity. Research shows that climate deniers are more likely to adhere to older forms of industrial modern masculinity that helped to push society towards “industrialization, mechanism and capitalism.”
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/20...
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Posted: Sep 16, 2019 - 9:49am

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 R_P wrote:
Paying the Piper
Acquiring an acquaintance with nature when capitalism our modern lifestyle has put its our future at risk.
By Lewis H. Lapham
  
FYT
 
Thank you for keeping it real.
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Posted: Sep 16, 2019 - 9:45am

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Paying the Piper
Acquiring an acquaintance with nature when capitalism our modern lifestyle has put its our future at risk.
By Lewis H. Lapham
 
FYT
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Posted: Sep 16, 2019 - 9:35am

Paying the Piper
Acquiring an acquaintance with nature when capitalism has put its future at risk.
By Lewis H. Lapham
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Posted: Sep 10, 2019 - 10:58pm

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I used that source just for you.  There were other sources but I picked that one because it is one of your favorites {#Mrgreen}
 
Trolling with fake news like a boss Prez'...

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Posted: Sep 10, 2019 - 9:56pm

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I used that source just for you.  There were other sources but I picked that one because it is one of your favorites {#Mrgreen}
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