If what you have is desirable and you dont mind folks coming to your house...craigslist works just fine. I've used it to move all sorts of equipment...just be careful when arranging times...I always ask for the buyer to text me right when they are leaving so I dont waste my time waiting. And I set up the equipment in the garage so they don't need to enter your home...but everyone I've met through selling gear on craigslist have been fine.
Otherwise I think audiogon.com has the largest marketplace. I believe there fees are 4%-6%.
Okay, so I went by the storage today and happened to get a good look at these guys. I did a quick google just to see and found a couple of pairs on Ebay for ~$1200. I think I probably would part with them for that. I'll probably post locally just to see, but what's the goto for vintage gear? Stereoechange? Audiogon? I also found a really nice Sansui AU-317 Amp that will probably be off to a new home too.
I've been through several phases (stages of grief?). I've wound my own speaker wire, I've made elaborate changes to my listening room, rearranged transformers to negate magnetic effects. Some of it had an impact. But I also found that I was listening more to the sound than to the music. Then I went to cheap throw away devices so I could listen too cool tunes while mountain biking in the desert. And of course several experiments with ripping RP to various media so I could listen to in in my car (on the highway with road noise and tire whomp). Now I'm mostly happy when the main mix doesn't make me switch streams or skip ahead. To me the music is the soundtrack, not the star of the movie. Edit: I still have a pair of Infinity RS3 speakers that I re-foamed a couple years ago. They sound pretty fantastic. They are in storage now, but I wouldn't sell them for the price I could get for them, so I must have aspirations of using them again.
Okay, so I went by the storage today and happened to get a good look at these guys. I did a quick google just to see and found a couple of pairs on Ebay for ~$1200. I think I probably would part with them for that. I'll probably post locally just to see, but what's the goto for vintage gear? Stereoechange? Audiogon? I also found a really nice Sansui AU-317 Amp that will probably be off to a new home too.
I've been through several phases (stages of grief?). I've wound my own speaker wire, I've made elaborate changes to my listening room, rearranged transformers to negate magnetic effects. Some of it had an impact. But I also found that I was listening more to the sound than to the music. Then I went to cheap throw away devices so I could listen too cool tunes while mountain biking in the desert. And of course several experiments with ripping RP to various media so I could listen to in in my car (on the highway with road noise and tire whomp).
Now I'm mostly happy when the main mix doesn't make me switch streams or skip ahead. To me the music is the soundtrack, not the star of the movie.
Edit: I still have a pair of Infinity RS3 speakers that I re-foamed a couple years ago. They sound pretty fantastic. They are in storage now, but I wouldn't sell them for the price I could get for them, so I must have aspirations of using them again.
Okay, so I went by the storage today and happened to get a good look at these guys. I did a quick google just to see and found a couple of pairs on Ebay for ~$1200. I think I probably would part with them for that. I'll probably post locally just to see, but what's the goto for vintage gear? Stereoechange? Audiogon? I also found a really nice Sansui AU-317 Amp that will probably be off to a new home too.
around my house (townhome) i've got some of these google/nest speakers
they are really convenient and they sync together rather well when i'm streaming radioparadise, soma fm, etc.
you can catch them on sale and they come in several shades of unremarkable meh so they blend in
the voice control aspect is easy too (mainly questions, music, lighting and the thermostat)
and they're n$a approved so my profile can be constantly monitored/updated
in my little man cave i have some edifier monitors w/ sub that sound good to me
for the times that i really want to dial in to audio, there's lower end sennheiser headphones
in my mind all of this begs these questions:
do you really need equipment that is better than your ability to hear?
and where is that line?
as we age our hearing declines no?
are we overspending on audio equipment, cables, etc.?
I've been through several phases (stages of grief?). I've wound my own speaker wire, I've made elaborate changes to my listening room, rearranged transformers to negate magnetic effects. Some of it had an impact. But I also found that I was listening more to the sound than to the music. Then I went to cheap throw away devices so I could listen too cool tunes while mountain biking in the desert. And of course several experiments with ripping RP to various media so I could listen to in in my car (on the highway with road noise and tire whomp).
Now I'm mostly happy when the main mix doesn't make me switch streams or skip ahead. To me the music is the soundtrack, not the star of the movie.
Edit: I still have a pair of Infinity RS3 speakers that I re-foamed a couple years ago. They sound pretty fantastic. They are in storage now, but I wouldn't sell them for the price I could get for them, so I must have aspirations of using them again.
And then, assuming youâre not able to communicate easily, whatâs on the playlist? Are you at the whims of the staff? I started a topic on this a while back. A buddy had been creating his playlist and Iâd always had that idea in the back of my head too.
this is (still) a great idea
while your still breathing maybe something contractual
just so some jack-wagon doesn't put on some pantera while i'm slipping into elysium
and what about the repass/after-party playlist?
theme: zydeco, gumbo and hurricanes
let me guess
you're going to be the geezer in the nursing home assisted living facility with the martin logans on each side of his bed pointed directly toward his wrinkly ear holes
Yes, as we age, our hearing declines, notwithstanding any abuse we've inflicted on our hearing over the years - environmental noise at work, many excessively loud concerts, etc. But generally, the decline is at the top end - 14kHz -20Khz.
Our ability to enjoy a well-recorded album on a competent or better system remains a thing, well into our years. If your system can accurately reproduce an upright bass, piano & great vocalist on a soundstage that seems like they're there if you closed your eyes, you've got a system that can be thoroughly enjoyed.
Over-spending? That's quite subjective and often contentious, especially so as one gets interested in the ultra high-end gear. To me, there's a distinction between good, great and excellent. Anything at or above great is fantastic to an audiophile. Truly excellent gear starts to stretch the budget for most. Beyond excellent is the stratosphere with room dominating gear, and for those whose wallets are near bottomless.
I'm very much a believer in diminishing returns. Once either threshold - 'good' (bang for the buck), or 'great' (spend more - it's noticeably better ) has been met - from there, everything becomes very subjective. My preference is to select gear in the 'great' zone, as much as is practical. Though, over the years I've seen plenty of examples of systems that are excellent or better, but the owner's choice in listening material is utter trash, and might as well be played on 'good' systems, at best. Some material doesn't deserve or benefit from a superb stereo system.
YMMV, IMHO, IANAL, etc.
i can agree with this
pretty sure my cochlea have bunions too
but just so i'm compliant with political aspect of this
i have to ask: what is the carbon foot print of your rig?
in gigatons please
let me guess
you're going to be the geezer in the nursing home assisted living facility with the martin logans on each side of his bed pointed directly toward his wrinkly ear holes
And then, assuming youâre not able to communicate easily, whatâs on the playlist? Are you at the whims of the staff? I started a topic on this a while back. A buddy had been creating his playlist and Iâd always had that idea in the back of my head too.
Do I need it? Absolutely!
Overspending? Absolutely not!
let me guess
you're going to be the geezer in the nursing home assisted living facility with the martin logans on each side of his bed pointed directly toward his wrinkly ear holes
in my mind all of this begs these questions:
do you really need equipment that is better than your ability to hear?
and where is that line?
as we age our hearing declines no?
are we overspending on audio equipment, cables, etc.?
Yes, as we age, our hearing declines, notwithstanding any abuse we've inflicted on our hearing over the years - environmental noise at work, many excessively loud concerts, etc. But generally, the decline is at the top end - 14kHz -20Khz.
Our ability to enjoy a well-recorded album on a competent or better system remains a thing, well into our years. If your system can accurately reproduce an upright bass, piano & great vocalist on a soundstage that seems like they're there if you closed your eyes, you've got a system that can be thoroughly enjoyed.
Over-spending? That's quite subjective and often contentious, especially so as one gets interested in the ultra high-end gear. To me, there's a distinction between good, great and excellent. Anything at or above great is fantastic to an audiophile. Truly excellent gear starts to stretch the budget for most. Beyond excellent is the stratosphere with room dominating gear, and for those whose wallets are near bottomless.
I'm very much a believer in diminishing returns. Once either threshold - 'good' (bang for the buck), or 'great' (spend more - it's noticeably better ) has been met - from there, everything becomes very subjective. My preference is to select gear in the 'great' zone, as much as is practical. Though, over the years I've seen plenty of examples of systems that are excellent or better, but the owner's choice in listening material is utter trash, and might as well be played on 'good' systems, at best. Some material doesn't deserve or benefit from a superb stereo system.
around my house (townhome) i've got some of these google/nest speakers
they are really convenient and they sync together rather well when i'm streaming radioparadise, soma fm, etc.
you can catch them on sale and they come in several shades of unremarkable meh so they blend in
the voice control aspect is easy too (mainly questions, music, lighting and the thermostat)
and they're n$a approved so my profile can be constantly monitored/updated
in my little man cave i have some edifier monitors w/ sub that sound good to me
for the times that i really want to dial in to audio, there's lower end sennheiser headphones
in my mind all of this begs these questions:
do you really need equipment that is better than your ability to hear?
and where is that line?
as we age our hearing declines no?
are we overspending on audio equipment, cables, etc.?
Do I need it? Absolutely!
Overspending? Absolutely not!
in my mind all of this begs these questions:
do you really need equipment that is better than your ability to hear?
and where is that line?
as we age our hearing declines no?
are we overspending on audio equipment, cables, etc.?
and if you have all of that equipment, does it accelerate the hearing decline, making it less "valuable"?
Overspending is a personal issue I guess. Are people overspending on the "automotive lust" thread cars? Only if you don't own one.
In order to have music in our main living areas, I have all but hidden multiple wireless speakers at the edges of the rooms, under furniture. My wife likes them when we use them, but the overriding sentiment is "I don't want to see them".
For men with "others" in the house, I wonder how many of the set-ups are in the primary living area vs. how many are in a dedicated space. The sound travels, but is it tolerated so long as the equipment is out of sight?
random coffee thoughts
around my house (townhome) i've got some of these google/nest speakers
they are really convenient and they sync together rather well when i'm streaming radioparadise, soma fm, etc.
you can catch them on sale and they come in several shades of unremarkable meh so they blend in
the voice control aspect is easy too (mainly questions, music, lighting and the thermostat)
and they're n$a approved so my profile can be constantly monitored/updated
in my little man cave i have some edifier monitors w/ sub that sound good to me
for the times that i really want to dial in to audio, there's lower end sennheiser headphones
in my mind all of this begs these questions:
do you really need equipment that is better than your ability to hear?
and where is that line?
as we age our hearing declines no?
are we overspending on audio equipment, cables, etc.?
all of this seems cool
but buying this type of freakishly large gear (could we say furniture?)
would throw a wrench in my partner's interior decorating plans
Yeah...me too.
In order to have music in our main living areas, I have all but hidden multiple wireless speakers at the edges of the rooms, under furniture. My wife likes them when we use them, but the overriding sentiment is "I don't want to see them".
For men with "others" in the house, I wonder how many of the set-ups are in the primary living area vs. how many are in a dedicated space. The sound travels, but is it tolerated so long as the equipment is out of sight?
all of this seems cool
but buying this type of freakishly large gear (could we say furniture?)
would throw a wrench in my partner's interior decorating plans
Nice! Which Martin Logan's did you buy? They've long been a fave of mine.
MartinLogan Motion 60XTi Discontinued. They are selling out fast. I got the walnut ones for this price and the black like these were $300 more. Now the walnut and evidently the white as well are gone so the black ones have dropped to this price. All in the past several days. Seen them on Amazon for this price, too. Could not be happier. Unobtainium at list. Just got done with a 4 hour break in, loud. The wife was blown away. Feel good afterwards. Not worn out and beat up. Do not need a sub, this is a true 3 - way old school 2.0 stereo and all the sound is well balanced. Piercing high ends are nowhere near as painful, like Manzarek's organ notes on LMF. Went through all kinds. Started with 24 /192 50th DSOTM, 5 Petula Clark tracks for a female vocal to Patti Smith Dancing Barefoot then took off into all kinds of stuff. Underture from Tommy Zep When The Levee Breaks. Chest Fever. finished with the Beginnings mix of Dreams. Bi - Amped. First time ever for me this way. You never really plan for something like this, but my stuff is getting worn and better to jump on something like this before the old stuff dies and get something worth getting, not making do. Small foot print, 65 lb. mo-fo's. Iffen you've been poking around for speakers recently, I would say jump on these. Don't know about prices and availability north of the border.
Ah. I wasn't aware ML was making traditional cone speakers. Looking at a review of these, I see they've incorporated the ideas of the legendary Heil AMT tweeter. Very interesting. The MLs I've long been drooling over are their electrostatic panels. Such as this current model. To date, I've never have really had a suitable room for them for a proper placement that would allow them to fully express their imaging capabilities. May have to remedy that. What are you using to bi-amp power your MLs? Bi-amping is always a good thing! I first ran a bi-amped rig long ago at a house party where a buddy & I brought together our two systems. My Crown DC300A ran the huge Altec sub and his Sansui AU717 (or AU919 can't recall) ran a pair Celestion Ditton 662s. We had compliments on the sound & tunes for ages after that. Heh.
That review is one of several that I read prior to purchase. The tweeters are at the same level that my previous speakers were up on their stands. Not a con for me. Wide and deep carpeted room. The system is parked on the side of one half of a 30 foot wide room and the couch is about 20 feet back. Ceiling pitched up from the sides to the center. Very irregular shaped. Haven't put the spikes on yet. I'll do that after I've taken down the old speakers and gotten them out of the way and after break in so I can put them where they will sound best given the spaces to park them. Not noticing any real directionality issues either.
Probably about 7 or 8 years old now. The video output has long ago failed which is a now well known Onkyo weakness. No worries, I'm just running it in 2.0 bi amped which gives me 4 - 130 watt amps going into the speakers. And I was worried about having enough power, silly me. I could try conventional wiring and hear the difference between that and the bi - amped, but as I sit here now, have zero interest in finding out how much better it makes them.
Using the Direct / Pure sound listening mode. Toslink optical is hard wired from my audio computer / server via a 25 foot fibre optic cable. The sound card goes out at playback bitrate and @ 96 khz PCM. No hum or extraneous cable noises introduced. Ground loop immunity. The big rig shares the same wall as my studio so I put a hole in the wall and fed the cable through it. The receiver has 384K/32 Bit DACs. I try real hard to be forward compatible when ever possible.
I'm already hearing things not heard before. Hearing more detail than on my Beyerdynamic 1770 headphones which are not a slouch by any means. I seemed to have kicked things up not one but two or three notches from where I was which until now I knew was not anything special but was decent. The sub is left over my old Optimus LX 5 Di-Pole 2.1 system.
I really haven't heard anything this nice since the early 80's. I had a buddy who had a pair of JBL 3 way Olympus' run off rack system that I forgot who made it. They were the nicest I had ever heard until now, at least at this price point. The wife says it the best she has ever heard, period. And she is well traveled musically. She commented that we have rich people's speakers now. Then said happy birthday, happy anniversary, Merry Christmas and wasn't that a nice vacation we had thinking about the bucks they cost.
I got lucky and clicked on a spam email from Audio Advisor and there they were. Had enough space on a zero interest card and after hemming and hawing for a week, jumped. Single most expensive audio purchase I have ever made. The previous was my VPI Cyclone RCM. No regrets, glad I did it. Still have an NOS AT20SLa cart in the box and two factory stlyli for backup. They will take us to the end, I'm done looking.
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Aug 23, 2023 - 12:37pm
Beaker wrote:
Way, way, out of my budget!
I noticed in the article review link for the Motion 60XTi's that the patent for Heil's AMT had expired. This must be why we're seeing updates on the original design emerging in modern products. Good ideas get improved upon!
Here is a better ML to drool over - The e2 Statements..
Way, way, out of my budget!
I noticed in the article review link for the Motion 60XTi's that the patent for Heil's AMT had expired. This must be why we're seeing updates on the original design emerging in modern products. Good ideas get improved upon!
Location: No longer in a hovel in effluent Damnville, VA Gender:
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Aug 23, 2023 - 11:09am
Beaker wrote:
Ah. I wasn't aware ML was making traditional cone speakers. Looking at a review of these, I see they've incorporated the ideas of the legendary Heil AMT tweeter. Very interesting.
The MLs I've long been drooling over are their electrostatic panels. Such as this current model. To date, I've never have really had a suitable room for them for a proper placement that would allow them to fully express their imaging capabilities. May have to remedy that.
What are you using to bi-amp power your MLs?
Bi-amping is always a good thing! I first ran a bi-amped rig long ago at a house party where a buddy & I brought together our two systems. My Crown DC300A ran the huge Altec sub and his Sansui AU717 (or AU919 can't recall) ran a pair Celestion Ditton 662s. We had compliments on the sound & tunes for ages after that. Heh.
A company in Berlin also uses a version of the Heil AMT driver in their line of powered studio monitors. They get pretty good reviews.
