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Posted: Aug 15, 2022 - 2:36pm

Donald Trump is above the law. Deal with it, America. Admit it. Here's how we prove it

Too true
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Posted: Aug 15, 2022 - 9:57am

Law enforcement agencies are warning of “an increase in threats and acts of violence” directed at FBI personnel after agents executed a search warrant of former President Donald Trump’s home.
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Posted: Aug 15, 2022 - 8:30am

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That pot of spaghetti wasn't ready to throw against the wall yet.



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Posted: Aug 15, 2022 - 7:15am

 steeler wrote:

If Trump had declassified these documents — or at least thought he had done so — why did neither he or his attorneys disclose that to the DOJ during the long months of “negotiating” over whether he was holding documents that needed to be returned? (I know that even if they were declassified, they still might have to be returned to Archives, but the furor over his possessing sensitive records easily could have been avoided).




That pot of spaghetti wasn't ready to throw against the wall yet.
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Posted: Aug 15, 2022 - 6:50am

If Trump had declassified these documents — or at least thought he had done so — why did neither he or his attorneys disclose that to the DOJ during the long months of “negotiating” over whether he was holding documents that needed to be returned? (I know that even if they were declassified, they still might have to be returned to Archives, but the furor over his possessing sensitive records easily could have been avoided).


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Posted: Aug 14, 2022 - 7:43pm

Well that's one hot minute:

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Posted: Aug 14, 2022 - 12:20pm

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Under you just can't make this shit up... Trump signed a bill in 2018 that turned mishandling of classified information into a felony (from a misdemeanor) and increased the penalties from 1 year to 5 years.  

Good luck applying for another job if found guilty.


I've read that he pushed for that bill with Hillary in mind...
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Posted: Aug 14, 2022 - 12:11pm

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Regulations and decorum are for losers.

Under you just can't make this shit up... Trump signed a bill in 2018 that turned mishandling of classified information into a felony (from a misdemeanor) and increased the penalties from 1 year to 5 years.  

Good luck applying for another job if found guilty.
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Posted: Aug 14, 2022 - 11:51am

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The executive branch has regulations laying out the process that should be followed ...

Regulations and decorum are for losers.
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Posted: Aug 14, 2022 - 11:47am

grifters gonna grift
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Posted: Aug 14, 2022 - 11:37am

Some excerpts for those without access to the article:

Glenn S. Gerstell, the top lawyer for the National Security Agency from 2015 to 2020, pronounced the idea that whatever Mr. Trump happened to take upstairs each evening automatically became declassified — without logging what it was and notifying the agencies that used that information — “preposterous.”

The claim is also irrelevant to Mr. Trump’s potential troubles over the document matter, because none of the three criminal laws cited in a search warrant as the basis of the investigation depend on whether documents contain classified information.

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Are there formal procedures for declassifying information?

Yes. The 2009 executive order directs the head of the department or agency that originally deemed information classified to oversee declassification reviews, and it sets some standards for them.

The executive branch has regulationslaying out the process that should be followed, such as a requirement to make sure that other agencies and departments with an interest in the secret are consulted. There are also procedures for the removal of classification markings on documents.

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Do presidents have to obey the usual procedures?

There is no Supreme Court precedent definitively answering that question.


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Can a president secretly declassify information without leaving a written record or telling anyone?

That question, according to specialists in the law of government secrecy, is borderline incoherent.

If there is no directive memorializing a decision to declassify information and conveying it to the rest of the government, the action would essentially have no consequence, as departments and agencies would continue to consider that information classified and so would continue to restrict access to documents containing it.

“Hypothetical questions like ‘What if a president thinks to himself that something is declassified? Does that change its status?’ are so speculative that their practical meaning is negligible,” said Steven Aftergood, a secrecy specialist with the Federation of American Scientists.

He added: “It’s a logical mess. The system is not meant to be deployed in such an arbitrary fashion.”





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Posted: Aug 14, 2022 - 11:27am

The Gray Lady does a deep dive into the federal government's security classification system.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/0...

Presidential Power to Declassify Information, Explained

While it is legally irrelevant, former President Donald J. Trump claims he had declassified the top secret files the F.B.I. seized at his Florida residence.


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Posted: Aug 14, 2022 - 8:12am

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What’s funny is that for a guy that doesn’t read… he certainly made off with a lot of reading material. 


He had been given a shopping list, not a syllabus.  

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Posted: Aug 14, 2022 - 7:39am

Armed Trump supporters protest outside of FBI office in Phoenix
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Posted: Aug 14, 2022 - 6:20am

What’s funny is that for a guy that doesn’t read… he certainly made off with a lot of reading material. 
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Posted: Aug 14, 2022 - 6:17am

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So I guess we're in the end game now.


Facts remain to be seen/revealed.

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Posted: Aug 14, 2022 - 3:50am

So I guess we're in the end game now.
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Posted: Aug 13, 2022 - 8:34pm

 steeler wrote:

NY Times is reporting that a Trump lawyer sent a letter to DOJ in June stating that there were no more classified documents at MAL. That may explain why Trump yesterday stated that all of the documents had been declassified by him — to be consistent with that documented statement, Whether Trump actually did declassify the documents seized at MAL pursuant to the warrant before leaving the White House remains to be seen. The seized documents were marked as classified. 


In a news bit this morning I heard that the remaining documents were supposed to have been declassified by him, but there was no paperwork to back up that claim.

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Posted: Aug 13, 2022 - 7:09pm

NY Times is reporting that a Trump lawyer sent a letter to DOJ in June stating that there were no more classified documents at MAL. That may explain why Trump yesterday stated that all of the documents had been declassified by him — to be consistent with that documented statement, Whether Trump actually did declassify the documents seized at MAL pursuant to the warrant before leaving the White House remains to be seen. The seized documents were marked as classified. 

Apropos: Don’t believe what you see and hear. 

And so it continues to go . . .



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Posted: Aug 13, 2022 - 4:36pm

Trump lawyer claimed no classified material was at Mar-a-Lago in signed letter to Justice Department
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