steeler wrote: 
I would agree as well but even those people see that being repeatedly forced to acknowledge those quirks begins to shed an uncomfortable light on their own values and their common sense. The result is that they feel a need to staunchly defend Trump when in reality they aren't so much defending Trump as they are defending themselves.

I was personally scammed not too long ago and bought what I thought were legit concert tickets. In hindsight there were a couple of warning signs... that if I had been more attentive... might have alerted me to a problem. I was obviously embarrassed by this and hate to admit I got taken. My wife has taken great glee in needling me about it since. I would find more credibility in hearing previous Trump supporters admit that they got "scammed" into believing they were buying into something that has clearly turned out to be false.  
 

 miamizsun wrote:  
 Yes. (useful criteria for "judging" anyone, really)

 steeler wrote: 
should criteria used to "judge" should apply to all politicians?

 miamizsun wrote: 
Not sure what you mean?

 steeler wrote: 
agreed

but that should go both ways no?

Please Don't tell the Press How Bad I am at Negotiating

 VV wrote: 
Bottom line:  I find a supporter of the Trump administration to be more credible when he or she at least acknowledges that these behavior quirks — for lack of a better term — are concerning.  

 VV wrote:

If his mouth is moving, he's lying.

 kurtster wrote: 
I don't know why you're suspicious of this Plihan fellow.

I must now confess that I did vote for Trump because Putin promised me a 90% discount on all the counterfeit Russian recently discovered pressings of rare vinyl I wanted.  This discount lasts as long as Trump is in office.

Here's one example

He says his cousin Plihan is a very nice guy.  

 haresfur wrote: 
Totally agree. Call me old school but I still expect my president to be intelligent, ethical, principled, level-headed, diplomatic and generally honest among others things.  Instead we get Trump.

A bunch of people fell for the Make America Great Again and Drain The Swamp rhetoric while also wanting to say F*CK YOU to the establishment. Now everyone has come to the realization that Trump isn't going to amount to a hill of beans and his supporters are bending over backwards to make excuses for a grossly incompetent prez. He is so way in over his head that he has to define failure as success and sell that to anyone stupid enough to listen. Sad part is that some people are still listening.

 haresfur wrote: 
But her e-mails!

 Steely_D wrote: 
I think the difference is that it used to be a bad thing to be caught lying and with this administration it is just, "Ok, try this lie, then."

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
I don't disagree, but we're becoming desensitized to the horrible violation of America's trust in their President. Started with Nixon, of course, but this is far far worse.

 R_P wrote: 
What else is new - he's always been a lying sack of shit.

More fake praise...
Trump phone calls never happened, say Scouts and Mexico

Sapience, nice word...had to look that one up. 

 aflanigan wrote: 
And the inverse proportion is true for the hypersapient who said he would never be elected.  

 aflanigan wrote: 
may be delusional, but hasn't been proven false...yet.