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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 5:33pm

 kurtster wrote:
Ya know, its reached the point where we know a lot more about this batch of candidates than in recent memory.  There is very little we don't know at this point.  And those who are not informed will never be, they'll just show up and vote D and R like they always do and that is that.  And as usual, the least informed is the majority of voters.

and so it goes.

Quite an about face there. In the previous post there was little we knew, but even less so about the others.

Now there is very little we don't know. So I guess you'd be able to answer the original questions that led to your original answer...

But maybe you won't, because that would be giving away the strategy.
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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 5:31pm

 aflanigan wrote:

I know when I'm being lectured to condescendingly, my friend. And I don't have nearly as dismissive an attitude towards my fellow voters as you seem to.

Carry on. 

 
You're looking for things that aren't there. 

The post you reference wasn't even directed to you in the first place.

{#Stupid} 

Edit:  I see.  Because even though you are also dismissive of your fellow voters, you can be personally offended because your are less dismissive than I am of the same people.
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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 4:50pm

 kurtster wrote:

You always try and find the low road, don'tcha ?

I'm speaking in terms of the general public.  I consider most all who participate here pretty well informed.  Maybe not correctly, but at least paying attention or trying to.

Why don'tcha try reading it again with that thought in mind.

 
I know when I'm being lectured to condescendingly, my friend. And I don't have nearly as dismissive an attitude towards my fellow voters as you seem to.

Carry on. 


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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 4:48pm

 kurtster wrote:

You always try and find the low road, don'tcha ?

I'm speaking in terms of the general public.  I consider most all who participate here pretty well informed.  Maybe not correctly, but at least paying attention or trying to.

Why don'tcha try reading it again with that thought in mind.

 
The only ones in the US who we could call truly well-informed right now are Bernie supporters. His underlying message is that the 1% have bought and rigged almost the entire political and government system to benefit themselves. George

Carlin got exactly what Bernie is now all about 15 yrs ago. 

 
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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 4:45pm

 Zep wrote:

1 - probably true, but the world has left isolationism behind, and nationalism, well, that usually doesn't end up well.
2 - irrelevant
3 - unsubstantiated 
4 - both are really establishment; how does Trump skate by on being anti-establishment when he is its essence?
5 - opinion
6 - irrelevant. Criticism of political correctness is code for "I want to insult minorities, disadvantaged, and disabled."
7 - that's from biology, not politics
8 - tax policy is set by Congress.
9 - doesn't Trump want to bomb the out of ISIS? That's not a good avoidance strategy.
10 - would you not want to incentivise "losers" (whatever the hell that is) so that they are no longer "losers?" (whatever the hell that is)

 The only substantive comparisons you have here are 1 and 9. 

 
Don't try to confuse him with facts, his mind is made up. Trump is The Messiah.
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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 4:34pm

 rotekz wrote:
Hillary vs Trump =

1. Globalism vs nationalism
2. Militant feminism vs masculinity
3. More job losses vs job creation
4. Establishment vs anti-establishment
5. Nepotism/cronyism vs meritocracy 
6. Political correctness vs political incorrectness
7. Illegal invasion and subversion of host culture vs preserving the host culture
8. Very high taxes for earners vs low taxes for earners
9. Stupid wars vs avoiding stupid wars
10. Incentivizing losers vs incentivizing winners 
 
1 - probably true, but the world has left isolationism behind, and nationalism, well, that usually doesn't end up well.
2 - irrelevant
3 - unsubstantiated 
4 - both are really establishment; how does Trump skate by on being anti-establishment when he is its essence?
5 - opinion
6 - irrelevant. Criticism of political correctness is code for "I want to insult minorities, disadvantaged, and disabled."
7 - that's from biology, not politics
8 - tax policy is set by Congress.
9 - doesn't Trump want to bomb the <*> out of ISIS? That's not a good avoidance strategy.
10 - would you not want to incentivise "losers" (whatever the hell that is) so that they are no longer "losers?" (whatever the hell that is)

 The only substantive comparisons you have here are 1 and 9. 
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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 4:32pm

 aflanigan wrote:

It's truly a shame we're not as well informed as you.

"Unjustified certainty is the bane of understanding and the death of effective reasoning."

Tim Urban

 
You always try and find the low road, don'tcha ?

I'm speaking in terms of the general public.  I consider most all who participate here pretty well informed.  Maybe not correctly, but at least paying attention or trying to.

Why don'tcha try reading it again with that thought in mind.


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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 4:25pm

 kurtster wrote:

Ya know, its reached the point where we know a lot more about this batch of candidates than in recent memory.  There is very little we don't know at this point.  And those who are not informed will never be, they'll just show up and vote D and R like they always do and that is that.  And as usual, the least informed is the majority of voters.

and so it goes.

 

 
It's truly a shame we're not as well informed as you.

"Unjustified certainty is the bane of understanding and the death of effective reasoning."

Tim Urban
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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 4:14pm

 kurtster wrote:

Ya know, its reached the point where we know a lot more about this batch of candidates than in recent memory.  There is very little we don't know at this point.  And those who are not informed will never be, they'll just show up and vote D and R like they always do and that is that.  And as usual, the least informed is the majority of voters.

and so it goes.

 

 
Except usually less than half show up to vote at all except in Ore and Wash which are 100% vote by mail,........ which is why Republicans hate vote by mail so much.
At least the D's are well informed enough to not vote against their own best interests, unlike the "well-informed" Republican middle class. 
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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 4:08pm

 R_P wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
What do we know in regards to either Hillary or Bernie on these matters ?  Just as little, maybe even less. (...)

When (Trump is) asked about Trump: talk about others.

 
Ya know, its reached the point where we know a lot more about this batch of candidates than in recent memory.  There is very little we don't know at this point.  And those who are not informed will never be, they'll just show up and vote D and R like they always do and that is that.  And as usual, the least informed is the majority of voters.

and so it goes.

 
rotekz

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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 4:01pm

 Steely_D wrote:
Here is comes again.  


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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 3:37pm

 kurtster wrote:
What do we know in regards to either Hillary or Bernie on these matters ?  Just as little, maybe even less. (...)

When (Trump is) asked about Trump: talk about others.
rotekz

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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 3:17pm


kurtster

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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 4:57am

 rotekz wrote:
Hillary vs Trump =

1. Globalism vs nationalism
2. Militant feminism vs masculinity
3. More job losses vs job creation
4. Establishment vs anti-establishment
5. Nepotism/cronyism vs meritocracy 
6. Political correctness vs political incorrectness
7. Illegal invasion and subversion of host culture vs preserving the host culture
8. Very high taxes for earners vs low taxes for earners
9. Stupid wars vs avoiding stupid wars
10. Incentivizing losers vs incentivizing winners 

Getting hung up on particular policies not being fleshed out at this moment is missing the big picture.

Politics is downstream of culture. Cultural decline has put the West in real danger of internal collapse and takeover.

There are three main forces currently at war: globalist socialism, Islam and nationalism. Only one will prevail over the next century. If it is not nationalism, we and particularly our descendants are screwed.

Trump understands this and is the only person that can save America and beyond that, Western civilization.  

To quote Milo:

"This election is the first election in American history that has been fought not on foreign policy and economics, but on cultural lines, it is been excited and stirred up by a cultural figure — a reality TV star, an American icon."

 

 
Your list is, imo, a good summation of what the differences are between Hillary and Trump.


rotekz

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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 4:21am

Hillary vs Trump =

1. Globalism vs nationalism
2. Militant feminism vs masculinity
3. More job losses vs job creation
4. Establishment vs anti-establishment
5. Nepotism/cronyism vs meritocracy 
6. Political correctness vs political incorrectness
7. Illegal invasion and subversion of host culture vs preserving the host culture
8. Very high taxes for earners vs low taxes for earners
9. Stupid wars vs avoiding stupid wars
10. Incentivizing losers vs incentivizing winners 

Getting hung up on particular policies not being fleshed out at this moment is missing the big picture.

Politics is downstream of culture. Cultural decline has put the West in real danger of internal collapse and takeover.

There are three main forces currently at war: globalist socialism, Islam and nationalism. Only one will prevail over the next century. If it is not nationalism, we and particularly our descendants are screwed.

Trump understands this and is the only person that can save America and beyond that, Western civilization.  

To quote Milo:

"This election is the first election in American history that has been fought not on foreign policy and economics, but on cultural lines, it is been excited and stirred up by a cultural figure — a reality TV star, an American icon."



 


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Posted: May 15, 2016 - 4:10am

 kcar wrote:

Let's cut through the crap. 

What are Trump's detailed plans for

1. reducing unemployment in hard-hit manufacturing sectors, demographic sectors and geographic regions?

2. limiting the effect of dark money in politics and political campaigns?

3. reducing income inequality?

4. modifying or replacing the ACA?

5. reducing the high cost of college education?

6. confronting ISIS and other terrorist groups?

I could come up with list of items as long as this entire page. Trump has provided no credible or substantive answers to these questions. He won't do so before the election in November because he is uninformed, unprepared and dangerously out of touch—and also because he's getting away with making empty promises.

Trump is running a reality-show campaign and unfortunately a lot of the public has stopped paying attention to the hard questions—like the ones I list above. What Trump said about women, illegal immigrants, political opponents, news reporters is NOT RELEVANT. He's a narcissistic psychopath. Stop expecting him to change or become more "presidential." 

This putz has a real chance to become President. All the available evidence points to a President Trump completely f$%^ing up the country. If you want to confront this blowhard and his more robotic supporters, make them to answer the hard questions about a possible Trump administration. 

This presidential election stays a reality show only if you sit silently and passively, watching Trump make a fool of himself and all of us. 

 
What do we know in regards to either Hillary or Bernie on these matters ?  Just as little, maybe even less.  So many say that it really doesn't matter who is POTUS, they will all do the same thing because they can't change anything regardless of what they claim.

Me, I'm voting for this ...

 
kcar

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Posted: May 14, 2016 - 11:51pm

 rotekz wrote:

There are plenty of Hillary books already.

 
Let's cut through the crap. 

What are Trump's detailed plans for

1. reducing unemployment in hard-hit manufacturing sectors, demographic sectors and geographic regions?

2. limiting the effect of dark money in politics and political campaigns?

3. reducing income inequality?

4. modifying or replacing the ACA?

5. reducing the high cost of college education?

6. confronting ISIS and other terrorist groups?

I could come up with list of items as long as this entire page. Trump has provided no credible or substantive answers to these questions. He won't do so before the election in November because he is uninformed, unprepared and dangerously out of touch—and also because he's getting away with making empty promises.

Trump is running a reality-show campaign and unfortunately a lot of the public has stopped paying attention to the hard questions—like the ones I list above. What Trump said about women, illegal immigrants, political opponents, news reporters is NOT RELEVANT. He's a narcissistic psychopath. Stop expecting him to change or become more "presidential." 

This putz has a real chance to become President. All the available evidence points to a President Trump completely f$%^ing up the country. If you want to confront this blowhard and his more robotic supporters, make them to answer the hard questions about a possible Trump administration. 

This presidential election stays a reality show only if you sit silently and passively, watching Trump make a fool of himself and all of us. 
rotekz

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Posted: May 14, 2016 - 2:59pm

 Zep wrote:

Are you writing a hagiography?

 
There are plenty of Hillary books already.
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Posted: May 14, 2016 - 2:54pm

The real truth is presidents are little more than figure heads. At least Trump is going to make a little noise in the White House and not bend over like a leaf n a breeze as do most presidents. I certainly do not agree with some of his stances but this country needs shaking up with some straight talk. I believe the tact he has taken for his campaign is to SHOCK and make people take notice. Did he get rich being an a-hole? No - he forged partnerships with others and even had to submit to others ideas over his. Hillary? Oh lord help us. Please do not make her the first woman president. I feel women are more than competent to assume the role but please not her!
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Posted: May 14, 2016 - 2:35pm

 rotekz wrote:
 
Are you writing a hagiography?


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