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black321

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 2:10pm

kurtster wrote:

If political experience is the only criteria, then yes, this is true.

I still don't buy that only a politician can be POTUS though. It is politicians who got us into all this trouble in the first place.

This is the 21st Century and these are times never seen before. Time for a paradigm shift. Who says that the government can't or shouldn't be run like a business ? Bad people need to be fired. Can't move forward and improve on things without doing that. It is impossible. Politicians just ask people to resign, they don't say "you're fired", cuz they are afraid to. Its part of the DNA ...

I agree, but disagree Trump is capable of the job. Contrary to what seems to be the perception among his supporters, Trump was not particularly good at running a business. Doing real estate deals, yes, but not running a business (see his 4 bankruptcies).

kurtster

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 1:51pm

steeler wrote:

In this environment, being "reasonable" is seen as a deficit. Certainly not the marker of a leader. {#Wink}

Edit: Kasich also has the most relevant experience of any of the remaining GOP candidates.

If political experience is the only criteria, then yes, this is true.

I still don't buy that only a politician can be POTUS though. It is politicians who got us into all this trouble in the first place.

This is the 21st Century and these are times never seen before. Time for a paradigm shift. Who says that the government can't or shouldn't be run like a business ? Bad people need to be fired. Can't move forward and improve on things without doing that. It is impossible. Politicians just ask people to resign, they don't say "you're fired", cuz they are afraid to. Its part of the DNA ...

black321

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 1:37pm

steeler wrote:

In this environment, being "reasonable" is seen as a deficit. Certainly not the marker of a leader. {#Wink}

Edit: Kasich also has the most relevant experience of any of the remaining GOP candidates.

I'm assuming all these candidates have at least an undergraduate degree, but did they skip kindergarten?

All I Really Need To Know I Learned In Kindergarten

by Robert Fulghum

Most of what I really need
To know about how to live
And what to do and how to be
I learned in kindergarten.
Wisdom was not at the top
Of the graduate school mountain,
But there in the sandpile at Sunday school.

These are the things I learned:

Share everything.
Play fair.
Don't hit people.
Put things back where you found them.
Clean up your own mess.
Don't take things that aren't yours.
Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody.
Wash your hands before you eat.
Flush.
Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.
Live a balanced life -
Learn some and think some
And draw and paint and sing and dance
And play and work everyday some.
Take a nap every afternoon.
When you go out into the world,
Watch out for traffic,
Hold hands and stick together.
Be aware of wonder.

steeler

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 1:26pm
black321 wrote: OK, thanks. From what little i have seen of him in debates...he seems like the only reasonable candidate to present. In this environment, being "reasonable" is seen as a deficit. Certainly not the marker of a leader. Edit: Kasich also has the most relevant experience of any of the remaining GOP candidates.

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 1:25pm
kurtster wrote: But I don't really know why he is running. He waited until the last minute to announce. Is campaigning here and there, not everywhere. Likely that he saw an opening when GOP establishment donors and big shots were not quickly coalescing around Jeb! last summer, and decided he'd take a stab at being the moderate, "electable" candidate.

R_P

Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 1:25pm
black321 wrote: If democrats believed in God, they'd call him the antichrist.

black321

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 1:22pm

kurtster wrote:

I'll try, since he is my Gov and voted for him twice.

He has been a good gov, fixed a lot of things. If Trump was not running, he would be my default establishment guy, especially over the other choices left. Friends who are bleeding heart D's here in Ohiya have said that they could and actually would like to vote for Kasich over all the original candidates back when there were 5 D's and 17 R's running.

But I don't really know why he is running. He waited until the last minute to announce. Is campaigning here and there, not everywhere. He just does not come off as strong on the kind of leadership needed at the top level.

I could go deeper on what he's done with taxes here that doesn't sit well with me. Such as he thinks that he did a great job lowering income taxes, but in doing so, he raised the sales tax to compensate. That screws people on fixed incomes like Social Security who don't get that break and end up paying more in taxes. He doesn't get that. In fact he has not said one word about what he would do with Social Security or Medicare after going to his website. Just vagueries about a tax plan. Nothing about a flat tax or a VAT. Me, I'm a flat taxer. Consumption taxes are not fair (they screw the little guys) and too unpredictable for forecasting purposes.

I already know his immigration / border plan and he is just plain too soft. Does not even address it on his website.

He's a good guy and a decent governor and I could vote for him a third time if we didn't have term limits in Ohiya, but he just ain't prezidential timber.

OK, thanks. From what little i have seen of him in debates...he seems like the only reasonable candidate to present.

black321

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 1:21pm
rotekz wrote: The 5 Stages of Trump. If democrats believed in God, they'd call him the antichrist.

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 1:19pm
rotekz wrote: Sent by God. To punish us for our sins: celebrity worship, shallow thinking, short attention spans, susceptibility to demagoguery. An angry God, who must be appeased. Quick, find another eastern European beauty pageant contestant to sacrifice!

kurtster

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 12:52pm

black321 wrote:

So why don't republicans like Kasich? Not angry enough?

rotekz

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 12:21pm
The 5 Stages of Trump.

black321

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 11:05am
So why don't republicans like Kasich? Not angry enough?

islander

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 10:13am

Relevant:

http://www.independent.com/news/2016/feb/20/dont-take-my-stuff-ism/ wrote:

Don’t Take My Stuff-ism

Saturday, February 20, 2016

by BERNIE SCHAEFFER, GOLETA

The more I watch this sometimes ugly presidential campaign unfold, the more I observe a growing voter segment of compulsive self-serving “hoarders” prone to packing away a sometimes hapless clutter of ideas, beliefs, and wants they consider absolute, including far too many that are outdated, uncaring, useless, and even counterproductive.

Don’t take away my stuff, they say. The more I have the better, my guns, my one true religion, my way of life spent only with people who look, sound, and believe as I do. Just pile it up over here. This is a scary world. I may need all this stuff someday.

Don’t take away my stuff. The more I have the better, my tax money all for myself unless it benefits me personally, my freedom to do as I wish without restraint for my own financial advantage, even if harms the health and well-being of innocent victims. Just stack it up over there. These are anxious times. I may need all this stuff someday.

Don’t take away my stuff. The more I have the better, my nostalgia for a perceived better past, my celebration of a greater generation slipping way, my memories of imagined happier days. Just leave it right where it is. This is a threatening period in our history. I may need all this stuff someday.

Don’t take away my stuff. The more I have the better, my preoccupation that all the good jobs have been unfairly poached by lesser nations, that might makes right, that the U.S. military on the ground and dropping bombs are the only effective foreign policy tools we have. Just heave it into the corner. These are troubling days. I may need all this stuff someday.

No wonder an intervention is called for, a cleanup and clean out if we expect America ever to regain its sanity. Finding comfort trapped in the repeatedly unworkable debris of the past is not healthy. It’s time to back up the truck. There is a wider world out there that is less scary than we think, waiting for exciting and innovative thinking — not presidential candidates catering to hoarders by peddling junk!

islander

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 10:08am
black321 wrote: I assume you meant shouldn't. Manners, political correctness or whatever term you want to use, do matter, especially if we want to live in a world where we get along with people holding different opinions. Oops. Sorry/thanks/fixed.

black321

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 10:08am
sirdroseph wrote: Oh yes because I have never met a rude, obnoxious or patronizingly condescending liberal before. Traditionally, liberals were the rude type...it's kinda part of their description, to break up the old way of doing things. But over the last decade or so, conservatives have found a way to be equally rude, if not more (Trump).

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 9:57am
black321 wrote: I assume you meant shouldn't. Manners, political correctness or whatever term you want to use, do matter, especially if we want to live in a world where we get along with people holding different opinions. Well there's a large chunk of the voting public who does not want that.

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 9:54am
Steely_D wrote: This. "I'm not politically correct" is simply a euphemism for "I didn't learn manners from my momma." Then I always wonder whose fault was it? His, or his momma's? Oh yes because I have never met a rude, obnoxious or patronizingly condescending liberal before.

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 9:49am
black321 wrote: I assume you meant shouldn't. Manners, political correctness or whatever term you want to use, do matter, especially if we want to live in a world where we get along with people holding different opinions. This. "I'm not politically correct" is simply a euphemism for "I didn't learn manners from my momma." Then I always wonder whose fault was it? His, or his momma's?

black321

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 9:43am
islander wrote: It's possible to be too PC, but it should be countered with being rude, obnoxious, bullies. The world has moved, there is a middle ground that needs to be achieved. I assume you meant shouldn't. Manners, political correctness or whatever term you want to use, do matter, especially if we want to live in a world where we get along with people holding different opinions.

kurtster

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 9:38am
PC puts feelings over facts. You can't speak with facts because it hurts my feelings. How do you find a middle ground in that ? This is how Political Correctness really works. It stops rationality and common sense from happening and causes word play to be the new reality.

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