Why didn't his pastor and his family inform on this radicalized jackwagon?

The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.

~Adolph Hitler

 haresfur wrote: 
My edit that you missed.
Oh, and that Berkeley thing ?   What do Charlottesville and Berkeley have in common ?  Antifa.  Antifa has no problem initiating violence, its what they live for.  They truly believe that the ends justify the means.

Here's a funny thought.  The alt left thinks they know better than you do and will initiate violence to overcome you and establish control.  The alt right baits you into being violent and says I told you so, and finds justification in that to use violence and establish control.  The alt left uses class warfare to instill hate.  The alt right uses bigotry to instill hate.  Both are based upon manipulation of emotion over reason.  The goals of both are the same ... Authoritarian control.  Both are elitist.  Both are wrong.  They are equally wrong.

Maybe I'm focused on violence because I'm ripping the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack while I've been typing off and on.  Its that movie about ultra violence.  And Milk.

 kurtster wrote: 
No irony in calling to hate hate groups. Hate groups claim greater rights than other people. Hating and opposing that is my duty. I oppose attacking peaceful protesters but I do advocate standing up to them (for people who are brave enough in the face of intimidation and threats of violence). There are ample historic examples where standing on the sidelines and avoiding confrontation has allowed those groups to gain strength. Heck, I've watched the growth of ultra-right groups around the world over the past decades and believe we have been far too complacent. You focus on the violence, but I wouldn't care if it was Gandhi who was advocating racism and antisemitism, it is still unacceptable.

If the only reason you oppose the people who marched in Virginia is that they advocate violence, then I don't know what to say.

 haresfur wrote: 
Never considered myself a pacifist.  I believe in self defense and standing my ground.  I would more than likely kill if it meant me or whoever, given I had something to defend myself with.  I also pray that I would never have to find out the answer that.

I see an irony here.  A call to hate hate groups.  Eh ?  

I equally oppose the KKK, the Nazis, white supremacists, Black Panthers, the IRA, radical Islamists, Antifa, La Raza, communists, anarchists, anyone who uses or advocates or threatens violence to further their ambitions.

That's not good enough ?  Then I don't know what to say.

The best thing that could have been done was to let these assholes in Charlottesville have their little march and be ignored.  When they see they don't get a reaction, it pisses them off more than anything else.  Confrontation plays into their hands and gives them the excuse or justification in their minds to keep going, keep pushing.  They will never initiate violence in a gathering like they had.  They will react to violence however and use it as an excuse to be violent.  So you're not strong enough to resist their temptation to incite violence within yourself ?  That's a personal problem, not their problem.

Oh, and that Berkeley thing ?   What do Charlottesville and Berkeley have in common ?  Antifa.  Antifa has no problem initiating violence, its what they live for.  They truly believe that the ends justify the means.

Here's a funny thought.  The alt left thinks they know better than you do and will initiate violence to overcome you and establish control.  The alt right baits you into being violent and says I told you so, and finds justification in that to use violence and establish control.  The alt left uses class warfare to instill hate.  The alt right uses bigotry to instill hate.  Both are based upon manipulation of emotion over reason.  The goals of both are the same ... Authoritarian control.  Both are elitist.  Both are wrong.

 kurtster wrote: 
You need a dictionary and a copy of the constitution, but I doubt you'd be able to make proper use of either.

 kurtster wrote: 
Yeah, I used to be a pacifist, too. I couldn't get around realizing that passive resistance doesn't work against genocide. Not supporting extremists isn't good enough. Saying people on both sides are violent isn't good enough. Giving a nod and a wink that can be is interpreted by extremists as vindication isn't good enough. If you or Trump or anyone wants to discuss Berkeley, fine. But that isn't what we are talking about here. In the current context, it is just an excuse not to condemn the alt-right and their racist views and actions.

Which side are you on boys?

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
I read that somewhere today too.

Maybe I'm hopelessly old-fashioned, but I liked the tradition of U.S. Presidents being opposed to Nazis.

~Andy Borowitz

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: 
They're not the slightest bit aware of how anything works. They hate. It's all they do.

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
Whenever white supremacists rear their ugly head I can't help but wonder if they are the slightest bit aware of how genetic diversity actually works.

This whole myth of unity... lordy be. I guess we could return to the prokaryotic stage of binary fission, but hell, that is kind of a bleak future:
One God
One Country
One Flag
One Gene
One Algal Mat

He didn't condemn it because he's a goddam racist.

 kurtster wrote: 
Maybe we're talking about different riots, but if your peaceable assembly involves stapling US Flags to shovel handles, a person might think any subsequent riot was actually your plan all along.

Snowflake racist whines.

 VV wrote: 
Not when you wear a flea collar ... as if you didn't know ...

 islander wrote: 
No it's clear that he's all-in with Trump regardless of what Trump does -or does not- do. He will find weak justifications for Trump's actions or manufacture them when there aren't any. With each of Trump's failures as a president his support of Trump rings more and more hollow while his credibility is eroded to nothing.

When you lay down with dogs you wake up with fleas. 

An important goal of those that wish to gain power is to sow the seeds of distrust amongst the population to the point to where crypticism becomes a necessity for survival. Surviving not only those that are in power, but each other. Then there is also the low hanging fruit of the small thinking and easily manipulated that are usually the flashpoint and distraction. Those that will listen to no one but their own prejudices and are quite content with the damage to the social fabric caused by their actions. Those who are motivated solely by the physical appearance of others. Those who are motivated by absolute intolerance of those that do not share their ideology regardless of what that is.  I am talking to you White Nationalist, I am talking to you Antifa. I am talking to any element of any organization who advocates or incites violence.  Hopefully I am not talking to you.
 
 Say no to all of those that display aggression......period.

 R_P wrote: 
He did say that about military action, strangely I did not react with a grin as you for this does not make me feel satisfied in any way.

There are only two sides to Charlottesville. Trump is on the wrong one.