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Posted: Dec 8, 2015 - 5:22pm

"Some things sicken even jackals" —Terry Pratchett
 
 
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Posted: Dec 3, 2015 - 10:17am

 islander wrote:

I console myself by realizing about half the country thought we were doomed when Clinton was elected. Then about half the country thought we were doomed when Bush was elected. Then about half the country thought we were doomed when Obama was elected...
 
I've thought about that lately as well - how some people expected the sky to fall.  What made it more interesting was that all three of them were re-elected (or reëlected in some circles).


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Posted: Dec 3, 2015 - 10:07am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I agree; it's just interesting to have actual conversations. I don't look forward to any of these candidates being president for a variety of reasons, but it's at least cool to think about what good a bad candidate might bring.
 
Otherwise it's just the usual shark frenzy. I was on youtube and the ad I had to sit thru was a hatchet job on Marco Rubio by the Ted Cruz camp. While it's entertaining, it's not very useful. 

 
I console myself by realizing about half the country thought we were doomed when Clinton was elected. Then about half the country thought we were doomed when Bush was elected. Then about half the country thought we were doomed when Obama was elected.

So in general, we are not good at predicting doom, and we are pretty capable of surviving various threats of doom.  I also am fairly convinced that even if Trump managed to get elected, we would all survive.  I am more seriously worried about all of us being laid off as citizens if Fiorina gets elected, but that's probably just my own bias (and I'm probably not really good at predicting doom either).  

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Posted: Dec 3, 2015 - 10:02am

 islander wrote:

I read a bunch of Scott Adam's stuff and find it interesting, sometimes even enlightening. But he has a lot in common with other people who have had enough success to paper over their failures (he admits most of this, and it's not uncommon... I have some of this as well). Basically he thinks that because he has been successful he must be right/smart/insightful. 

Now that's out of the way.  I can't believe Trump is still here, but hey - I'm often wrong about politics and show business. I still don't think he has a shot, but let's see where we are when South Carolina comes around to voting.

This immigration idea actually has some legs and a few interesting options. I don't think it is going anywhere, no matter who pushes it though. to pick on a single point up front: A large negative that I see presented here is the "get them to pay taxes" argument. I see that a lot (in a similar vein with the "lift the cap on social security taxes"). Most of the immigrants are already paying taxes under falsified SS cards. They just won't be collecting benefits. Let's just say that number is half (I think it's probably a lot higher), we will have just added 6 million or so people to the pool of those who will collect benefits, but haven't added much in new revenue.  Oops.  I wonder what the general population isn't paying taxes on income either. How many expats are there abroad?

Not that it's a bad idea. But I favor a much more bottom up approach. We have a lot of little problems. Let's knock off a few dozen of those before going after the giants. I don't have much faith in trickle down problem solving.  

Edit: also, Trump is not a real estate genius (well not by my definition). Many of his projects have failed, gone bankrupt or needed various forms of breaks and bailouts, to survive. I don't think he's the right guy to develop a self sustaining gateway border control/jobs program/tourist trap. Maybe if he made a TV show out of it...

 
I agree; it's just interesting to have actual conversations. I don't look forward to any of these candidates being president for a variety of reasons, but it's at least cool to think about what good a bad candidate might bring.
 
Otherwise it's just the usual shark frenzy. I was on youtube and the ad I had to sit thru was a hatchet job on Marco Rubio by the Ted Cruz camp. While it's entertaining, it's not very useful. 
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Posted: Dec 3, 2015 - 9:41am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Remember that Dilbert's Scott Adams isn't actually pro-Trump; he's just fascinated by him (as am I, in a not-going-to-actually-read news reports about him but he's still fascinating sort of way) and has called his nomination a lock. Landslide. Adams likes to just muse about how a President Trump would have to sort of keep his promises, but also not be a total dick anymore. So, anyway, this immigration scenario (the one Trump has used to alienate a huge bloc of voters) made Adams spin out a few ideas.
 
How Trump Can Solve Immigration
 
It's not strictly a Trump-only thing, any president could try this. Adams thinks Trump might actually be able to make it happen.
 
Step 1: Self-deportation. Not gonna happen, right? What if we made all post offices (temporary) Mexican Embassies? Walk into any post office, fill out a form and boom! you're on the rolls as a temporary legal resident, paying taxes and SS and not hiding in the shadows... 

 
I read a bunch of Scott Adam's stuff and find it interesting, sometimes even enlightening. But he has a lot in common with other people who have had enough success to paper over their failures (he admits most of this, and it's not uncommon... I have some of this as well). Basically he thinks that because he has been successful he must be right/smart/insightful. 

Now that's out of the way.  I can't believe Trump is still here, but hey - I'm often wrong about politics and show business. I still don't think he has a shot, but let's see where we are when South Carolina comes around to voting.

This immigration idea actually has some legs and a few interesting options. I don't think it is going anywhere, no matter who pushes it though. to pick on a single point up front: A large negative that I see presented here is the "get them to pay taxes" argument. I see that a lot (in a similar vein with the "lift the cap on social security taxes"). Most of the immigrants are already paying taxes under falsified SS cards. They just won't be collecting benefits. Let's just say that number is half (I think it's probably a lot higher), we will have just added 6 million or so people to the pool of those who will collect benefits, but haven't added much in new revenue.  Oops.  I wonder what the general population isn't paying taxes on income either. How many expats are there abroad?

Not that it's a bad idea. But I favor a much more bottom up approach. We have a lot of little problems. Let's knock off a few dozen of those before going after the giants. I don't have much faith in trickle down problem solving.  

Edit: also, Trump is not a real estate genius (well not by my definition). Many of his projects have failed, gone bankrupt or needed various forms of breaks and bailouts, to survive. I don't think he's the right guy to develop a self sustaining gateway border control/jobs program/tourist trap. Maybe if he made a TV show out of it...
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Posted: Dec 3, 2015 - 9:14am

Remember that Dilbert's Scott Adams isn't actually pro-Trump; he's just fascinated by him (as am I, in a not-going-to-actually-read news reports about him but he's still fascinating sort of way) and has called his nomination a lock. Landslide. Adams likes to just muse about how a President Trump would have to sort of keep his promises, but also not be a total dick anymore. So, anyway, this immigration scenario (the one Trump has used to alienate a huge bloc of voters) made Adams spin out a few ideas.
 
How Trump Can Solve Immigration
 
It's not strictly a Trump-only thing, any president could try this. Adams thinks Trump might actually be able to make it happen.
 
Step 1: Self-deportation. Not gonna happen, right? What if we made all post offices (temporary) Mexican Embassies? Walk into any post office, fill out a form and boom! you're on the rolls as a temporary legal resident, paying taxes and SS and not hiding in the shadows... 
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Posted: Nov 23, 2015 - 5:07pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
The fact that this man is as popular as he is for the office should horrify everyone with two brain cells to rub together. The fact that this country would even consider such a bigoted, misogynistic, xenophobic narcissist for elected office speaks volumes about how degenerate it has become.

 
Six months ago, wasn't he was polling below Voldemort, the shark from "Jaws," and Darth Vader?

Come on, who wouldn't love a "Voldemort / Jaws 2016" bumper sticker?
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Posted: Nov 23, 2015 - 11:20am

I don't care what anyone says about Trump, the price of Oreo's are falling cuz of him.

Thanks Donald !!

{#Cowboy} 
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Posted: Nov 23, 2015 - 7:34am

 buzz wrote:
 oldviolin wrote:

Knot as well as old King Gordius....

 
you have direct ties to him?
 
In threadlike manner...
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Posted: Nov 23, 2015 - 7:32am

 oldviolin wrote:

Knot as well as old King Gordius....

 
you have direct ties to him?
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Posted: Nov 23, 2015 - 7:21am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Not anymore, silly; he sold them to a goatherd in Nepal.

 
well there goes the neighborhood...
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Posted: Nov 23, 2015 - 7:20am

 oldviolin wrote:

Manbird wears socks?

 
Not anymore, silly; he sold them to a goatherd in Nepal.
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Posted: Nov 23, 2015 - 7:19am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

What has that to do with the price of manbird's old socks in Nepal?

 
Manbird wears socks?
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Posted: Nov 23, 2015 - 7:17am

 buzz wrote:
 oldviolin wrote:

The people of the fig tree...

 
do you understand the gravity of this situation?
 
Knot as well as old King Gordius....
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Posted: Nov 23, 2015 - 7:17am

 oldviolin wrote:

I'll bet your math grades were less than lustrous...{#Kiss}

 
What has that to do with the price of manbird's old socks in Nepal?
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Posted: Nov 23, 2015 - 7:15am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
The fact that this man is as popular as he is for the office should horrify everyone with two brain cells to rub together. The fact that this country would even consider such a bigoted, misogynistic, xenophobic narcissist for elected office speaks volumes about how degenerate it has become.

 
I'll bet your math grades were less than lustrous...{#Kiss}
buzz

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Posted: Nov 23, 2015 - 7:13am

 oldviolin wrote:

The people of the fig tree...

 
do you understand the gravity of this situation?
oldviolin

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Posted: Nov 23, 2015 - 7:11am

 buzz wrote:
 oldviolin wrote:

Newtons 3rd law states:"To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction: or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always equal, and directed to contrary parts."
wiki


 
who elected Newton to make laws for us?
 
The people of the fig tree...
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Posted: Nov 23, 2015 - 7:03am

 oldviolin wrote:

Newtons 3rd law states:

"To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction: or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always equal, and directed to contrary parts."
wiki




 
who elected Newton to make laws for us?
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