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Because if they don't support them he'll hurt them.
The list of those people that he hired - then fired and criticized - or disparaged because they disagreed with him somehow (and his minions target and harass and threaten them) is longer than it should be. It surprises no one when he uses thug tactics, and it says a lot about America that those tactics continue to work. We have become, at heart, a weak and cowardly and amoral nation.
I do not condone violence, but there is only one remedy to this situation. Only one. That is awful, because we've always been certain that our courts or our Congress would be able to keep the USA in balance, in homeostasis.
But too many people have been wronged with no remedy for them in sight. It can not get better without Second Amendment remedies, which is a damn shame. No, Kurt, I do not want it to happen but look at the corner he's painted himself into.
Weirdly, I'm reminded of a disturbing Clive Barker short story where a girl is kidnapped and placed on a grate with only a giant pile of meat for her food. The bad guy knows she's a vegan. His point is to watch how long it takes for her to give up her principles so she doesn't starve.
Similarly, I think there are a big handful of American citizens who are starving in one sense or another, and may give up their principles.
No, don't go down that road. I still have faith in the people. Sometimes it just takes an awfully long time, but America won't heal until Trump's own supporters finally ditch him.
And he's really pushing it to the limit right now because he is psychologically compelled to. In a weird way, I think this all had to happen for America to heal itself.
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May 18, 2026 - 4:32pm
rgio wrote:
It's impossible to imagine how anyone supports him....
Because if they don't support them he'll hurt them.
The list of those people that he hired - then fired and criticized - or disparaged because they disagreed with him somehow (and his minions target and harass and threaten them) is longer than it should be. It surprises no one when he uses thug tactics, and it says a lot about America that those tactics continue to work. We have become, at heart, a weak and cowardly and amoral nation.
I do not condone violence, but there is only one remedy to this situation. Only one. That is awful, because we've always been certain that our courts or our Congress would be able to keep the USA in balance, in homeostasis.
But too many people have been wronged with no remedy for them in sight. It can not get better without Second Amendment remedies, which is a damn shame. No, Kurt, I do not want it to happen but look at the corner he's painted himself into.
Weirdly, I'm reminded of a disturbing Clive Barker short story where a girl is kidnapped and placed on a grate with only a giant pile of meat for her food. The bad guy knows she's a vegan. His point is to watch how long it takes for her to give up her principles so she doesn't starve.
Similarly, I think there are a big handful of American citizens who are starving in one sense or another, and may give up their principles.
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Posted:
May 18, 2026 - 3:26pm
rgio wrote:
In another incredible day in Bizzarro World...
Trump announced he was going to attack Iran (while his Sec Def. is out campaigning in Kentucky for congressional candidates) only to TACO it,
They announce the scheduling of a Situation Meeting on Tuesday. I assume this was to amp up the threat of renewed attacks on Iran . . . as a negotiating tactic? Bizarre, indeed.
Trump announced he was going to attack Iran (while his Sec Def. is out campaigning in Kentucky for congressional candidates) only to TACO it, while creating a $1.8B slush fund to pay the "Patriots" who have been convicted of Jan 6 crimes. He did drop his $10B lawsuit against the IRS (with a pending Weds deadline for facts that he decided not to present).
His approval ratings continue to go south, while research shows that the Iran War has cost the average American household over $300 in gas alone, with Trump saying publicly he doesn't "think about American's financial situation".
No uranium. Worse regime than before. Supporting Russia and China. Empowering Iran. Alienating allies. All while grifting in the prediction and crypto markets.
It's impossible to imagine how anyone supports him.... and yet we're so used to it at this point that nobody really even discusses it anymore. The only proof we have that it's bad is that the conversation here has died, since no one is willing to support the insanity.
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May 18, 2026 - 10:55am
islander wrote:
The consequence of a lot of their gerrymandering is that they weaken 'strong' republican districts. Strong typically means ~+10% favor. So that means even stronghold districts will now often be less than +10. With Trump candidates losing many districts that he previously won by +15 or more and continued unpopularity... well, it might get interesting. Of course we are 6 months away from the election, and he's still denying the results of the one 5.5 years ago, so a lot can happen, but yes - it's going to be interesting.
Iâm looking at those post-election total vote numbers in Louisiana and feel a little bit hopeful that the Democrat + Independent + annoyed Republican contingent might just be enough to- in the popular vote - to make a difference. Of course, the GOP are a bunch of spineless loser idiots and canât win an election with good ideas, hence the gerrymandering. Thatâll make sure that their sucking up to the felon loser grifter doesnât have anyone to criticize his new clothes. And, by the way, fuck the South.
Donald Trump disclosed a flurry of at least $220 million in financial transactions earlier this year in the securities of major U.S. companies, according to two new financial disclosure forms released Thursday by the U.S. Office of Government Ethics.
When you wonder why your federal tax is as high as it is:
(From NYT) âTrump administration announced on Monday the establishment of a $1.7B+ fund to compensate people who claim they were targeted by the Biden Justice Department, creating a potential pipeline to funnel taxpayer money to his allies.â
A bunch of headlines about trump openly stealing from the treasury to give money to pedophile january 6ers hitting right as gas crosses $5 a gallon. No notes, sir, masterful gambit.
The equivalent of âI could shoot someoneâ¦â come to life. He is robbing you, ruining your life and future and America, and you applaud him.
You applaud him.
The consequence of a lot of their gerrymandering is that they weaken 'strong' republican districts. Strong typically means ~+10% favor. So that means even stronghold districts will now often be less than +10. With Trump candidates losing many districts that he previously won by +15 or more and continued unpopularity... well, it might get interesting. Of course we are 6 months away from the election, and he's still denying the results of the one 5.5 years ago, so a lot can happen, but yes - it's going to be interesting.
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May 18, 2026 - 9:08am
When you wonder why your federal tax is as high as it is:
(From NYT) âTrump administration announced on Monday the establishment of a $1.7B+ fund to compensate people who claim they were targeted by the Biden Justice Department, creating a potential pipeline to funnel taxpayer money to his allies.â
A bunch of headlines about trump openly stealing from the treasury to give money to pedophile january 6ers hitting right as gas crosses $5 a gallon. No notes, sir, masterful gambit.
The equivalent of âI could shoot someoneâ¦â come to life. He is robbing you, ruining your life and future and America, and you applaud him.
edit: Correction, it seems that you probably do give a fuck that MAGA is having a huge negative impact on the lives of people outside the US. As near as I can tell you want that to happen.
Agreed. Just to speak from my own personal experience, here miles away from the U.S.:
From the outset, Trump has aided and abetted Russia on all fronts.
Our lives were directly affected by Russian covert operations leading to the loss of my biggest client and my wife getting laid off.
At the same time Russian interference and funding is stoking division and supporting political parties in Europe that are backed by outright Nazis. All these parties want to dismantle the EU. All in the best interests of Putin. Trump and Vance have actively campaigned for these very same parties. Orban being the latest example.
Putin has openly stated he wants to restore the USSR. Yet Trump (and Vance, and the silicon Techbros) all applaud the move and support this where they can. All of them want to dismantle the EU. Fuck that. Yet in this quest, Russia has caused untold harm. The death toll in Mauripol, just one Ukrainian city occupied by Russia, far outstrips Gaza, for instance (which itself is a massive crime - just for scale). Russia attacks Ukrainian civilians on a daily basis. This is a war crime. Repeated daily. For four years.
But here too, Trump has sided with Russia from the outset, stopping all US aid to Ukraine, even before he took office.
And this Russian operation to restore Russian influence does not stop at the EU.
Trump has also undertaken everything in his power to decimate US influence abroad and weaken its armed forces to the point where the rest of the world is now just laughing at it. Again, this is precisely in Russia's best interest. He has also done all in his power to wreck the US economy through tariffs, removing oversight, dismantling the government and destroying free trade. He has put investment into renewables back twenty years and done all in his power to restore the primacy of the oil & gas industry. Again, it is no coincidence that all of this is in the best interests of Russia (whose only export is oil and gas). The attack on Iran has also ultimately only benefited Russia as the price of oil skyrockets. US consumers be damned. Not to mention the massive cost of the exercise for negative net gain, all paid for by US taxpayers. And worst of all, he has done everything in his power to make you distrust each other.
So, at this point, it is not just an academic exercise.
Trump/Russia/ and the entire authoritarian revivalist movement are demonstrably doing untold harm in the pursuit of restoring a political system that has already long since failed. And all those who support Trump appear to be totally onboard with it
.. and I haven't even got to the corruption that is rife throughout the entire movement.
So, if you ever wonder why we get all hot and bothered and easily triggered, yeah, that's why.
and just in case anyone fails to understand the distinction between Russia the country and the current leadership of Russia, I am specifically referring to the myopic children of the KGB who are running the place, not the Russian people per se.
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May 16, 2026 - 4:14pm
Trump Mobile launched in June 2025 with a $47.45-a-month mobile phone plan, and announced that a Trump phone would be made in the US and launch in August 2025. But when it became obvious that domestic large-scale smartphone manufacturing would not be possible, Trump Mobile dropped the "made in the US" claim.
Now, the site simply says it is "designed with American values in mind," an "American-proud design" and "shaped by American innovation."
TACO is supposedly a great businessman, but can't even get it up for the products with his name on them.
In fact - here are his failures and bankruptcies. Ah, the great business man.
Fortunately, with his current dementia, he likely can't remember most of these.
I went and did a forensic review of the last exchange with you over the term fundamentalist to see how you sucked me into your dubious argument for the same purpose as mentioned above. You swooped in and took the term I used in a post and started trying to debate the term in a completely different context than was originally used. I didn't catch that and took your bait, hook, line and sinker. You didn't want to discuss the term in my context. You took it to an entirely different meaning in your new context. You clearly have no interest in what I actually say. You simply exploit ways to begin a new debate or argument simply for your own purposes of elevating yourself and not that of engagement in the original post you are referring to.
As you are now by trying to engage me with your baiting me by calling me inappropriately amoral and then trying to get me into another senseless argument with me designed to make you appear morally superior to me using your misuse of the term and misleading pretense.
You may carry on now and dance with yourself. And besides, pray tell, why the fuck should I give a rat's ass about what some foreigner has to say about my personal politics within my own country when they have no honest interest in what I am trying to say to begin with ?
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And having done some reading before posting this, phones have in fact been shipped making the entire conversation you are trying to dissect meaningless. My comments were entirely based upon the facts presented here and nowhere else at their face value. The original post was in error to begin with.
And I stand by my statement your position as posted is amoral. To be clear, I did not say you are entirely without morals, but this position in this instance is amoral. You simply do not care that he is doing things like this.
The fact that he is shipping a few out of date phones that he buys for a tiny fraction of the selling price, and the "deposit" means they still have to pay for the phones. Caveat emptor, eh?
Sure I'm interested in what you have to say. MAGA is having a huge negative impact on my life. But you don't give a fuck about that. But I suppose your stance on that is more immoral than amoral. And I'm still going to call you out when what you are saying is amoral, immoral, or just plain evil.
edit: Correction, it seems that you probably do give a fuck that MAGA is having a huge negative impact on the lives of people outside the US. As near as I can tell you want that to happen.
Another example of a fool and their money ... If "non refundable" is included in a product description then it truly is caveat emptor. I have a hard time seeing anyone admitting that they fell for it and got ripped off. Too embarrassing to admit. Me ? I got better things to spend money on than political memorabilia.
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There is a term for your position on this. You are amoral.
Just catching up.
You clearly do not know what the term amoral means. If you did, you would have stopped right there because someone who is amoral clearly does not or would not care about any explanations posed by the accuser.
Instead you go on with what can only be considered comments directed at everyone else here meant to virtue signal and claim and boost your moral superiority with the tribe at my expense. Simply because by your judgment, I am amoral and would have no interest in what more you had to say. Same old story with you.
You don't care if he, his family, and his staff engage in any behaviour that makes them a shit-ton of money as long as it is technically legal or they can successfully hide the illegality. It is fine to present something as a prepurchase and then intentionally bury the actual setup in the terms and conditions. Legal? I am not a lawyer so I don't know, but it doesn't really matter because congress won't do anything anyway. Someone making money off insider information from the executive branch? That is ok as long as the department of justice is controlled by trump and wont investigate. He ignores legal requirements for awarding contracts and planning requirements, but fine as long as no one is able to stop him. He has you beat here - he is immoral because he is amoral.
Which brings us to the Supreme Court decision that means as long as trump can tie his grift to something he does as president, then there is no check and balance from the judicial branch. You have a government that in effect has no oversight. Sure, in theory congress can investigate but his staff can simply ignore subpoenas, his friends can be given pardons, and others can buy them. I guess you are fine with the resulting cost to the government, which is ok because the citizens who ultimately will pay didn't read the fine print.
I went and did a forensic review of the last exchange with you over the term fundamentalist to see how you sucked me into your dubious argument for the same purpose as mentioned above. You swooped in and took the term I used in a post and started trying to debate the term in a completely different context than was originally used. I didn't catch that and took your bait, hook, line and sinker. You didn't want to discuss the term in my context. You took it to an entirely different meaning in your new context. You clearly have no interest in what I actually say. You simply exploit ways to begin a new debate or argument simply for your own purposes of elevating yourself and not that of engagement in the original post you are referring to.
As you are now by trying to engage me with your baiting me by calling me inappropriately amoral and then trying to get me into another senseless argument with me designed to make you appear morally superior to me using your misuse of the term and misleading pretense.
You may carry on now and dance with yourself. And besides, pray tell, why the fuck should I give a rat's ass about what some foreigner has to say about my personal politics within my own country when they have no honest interest in what I am trying to say to begin with ?
. And having done some reading before posting this, phones have in fact been shipped making the entire conversation you are trying to dissect meaningless. My comments were entirely based upon the facts presented here and nowhere else at their face value. The original post was in error to begin with.
spray paint it gold and call it a day. Promises made, promises kept.
TrumpMobile is now evidently shipping a two-year old Chinese-made phone, the T-Mobile REVVL 7 Pro 5G, to MAGA die-hards who ordered the $500 Trump phone. The T-Mobile REVVL 7 Pro 5G is available on Amazon for about $125 and sells in wholesale quantities for $40 to $50.
Grifters gotta grift.
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