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hayduke2

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Posted: Sep 11, 2019 - 4:45pm

Just my opinion: tRUMP IS A SELF-CENTERED, CHRONIC LYING, MISOGYNISTIC, RACIST MORON SUPPORTED BY PUTIN AND A SCREAMING ARMY OF SELF-CENTERED, RACIST MORONS
oh yeah, and corrupt swindlers out to make a killing on screwing over The United States 
House Democrats Are Examining Whether the Middleman in Trump’s Secret Moscow Deal Withheld Information – Mother Jones
black321

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Posted: Sep 11, 2019 - 10:11am



 kurtster wrote:

Isn't that how nearly all serious (not those running for cabinet positions) POTUS candidates think of themselves ?  They alone are the most qualified to be POTUS ?  Thought that was a given.

hey, just my 2¢  Not trying to start anything.  I could be totally wrong.  Just what I am hoping for is all.  Time will tell.
 
yes, sure.  but not to a guy who stumbled into it.  and i wouldnt argue he's significantly more wrong on  policies  than the average schmuck in there the last few decades.  but the volatility, uncertainty, and  unamerican attitude of us v. them is absolutely where he fails.  Take the wall.  Whether we should or shouldnt build a wall is not the point, but making it central to your platform, policy, legacy or whatever is not the american way.  Thats what his opponents are arguing, not so effectively, against.  

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Posted: Sep 11, 2019 - 9:32am

 black321 wrote:
Re. Kursters post below…I don’t necessarily doubt comments like “Trump has been thinking about China for many years…” But what I find humorous with the Trumpsters is how they portray him as a mastermind, who has been sitting on the sidelines waiting for his moment to launch his historical strategy on the world…it’s just plain silly. The guy stumbled into the presidency after a publicity stunt. Maybe he has a few “ideas” about the world order, but please stop the nonsense that this is some master strategists pulling the U.S. from the depths of its own ignorance on foreign and economic policy. He’s the wrong answer, to the right questions.

 
Isn't that how nearly all serious (not those running for cabinet positions) POTUS candidates think of themselves ?  They alone are the most qualified to be POTUS ?  Thought that was a given.

hey, just my 2¢  Not trying to start anything.  I could be totally wrong.  Just what I am hoping for is all.  Time will tell.
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Posted: Sep 11, 2019 - 6:55am

Yes Proclivities, also from graduates of Trump University in Business Management 🎓 😬
black321

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Posted: Sep 11, 2019 - 6:21am

Re. Kursters post below…I don’t necessarily doubt comments like “Trump has been thinking about China for many years…” But what I find humorous with the Trumpsters is how they portray him as a mastermind, who has been sitting on the sidelines waiting for his moment to launch his historical strategy on the world…it’s just plain silly. The guy stumbled into the presidency after a publicity stunt. Maybe he has a few “ideas” about the world order, but please stop the nonsense that this is some master strategists pulling the U.S. from the depths of its own ignorance on foreign and economic policy. He’s the wrong answer, to the right questions.

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Posted: Sep 10, 2019 - 9:47pm

 steeler wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Maybe to you.  The understanding that I have is that the entire purpose of the meeting was for Trump to look the players directly in their eyes in order to size everyone up.  There was never any other purpose for these meetings as the two opposing sides were never scheduled to meet each other.  For them to meet would have meant that there was something already on the table.

And yeah, good riddance JB.  Trump gets credit for being willing to listen to all sides however ... that is what good leaders do.
 

First paragraph: If your take is accurate, why was it suddenly no longer necessary for Trump to “size” up these players? 

Second paragraph: if Trump is so willing to hear opposing views, why is there a revolving door in and out of senior advisors? 

 
1st P.  Trump is calling the shots here.  This meeting was a well kept secret.  It was only revealed after it failed to happen and if the Taliban hadn't confirmed that the meeting was indeed real and scheduled, I doubt that anyone would have taken Trump's word that there really was a meeting scheduled in the first place.  On the bolded, I'm taking the admin's explanation at face value.  We don't know all the facts, obviously and I don't claim to know what Trump is doing exactly here.  I can only speculate.  And I will since you asked even though I doubt that you really want to hear what I will say.  None of it will make sense unless you first accept that Trump is truly an Anti War POTUS.  With that caveat proceed at your own risk.

I have been following Trump for years, long before The Apprentice came about.  For starters, I really do believe that Trump is actually trying to fix things that have been broken for decades and reverse how prior admins have let other countries take advantage of our country.  Trump does have a plan.  He's been thinking about China for many years prior to even running for POTUS and what is wrong between our two countries.  He's been thinking about NATO for years and how we have been taken advantage there as well.

So one by one, he is systematically going down his list, calling everyone's bluff and getting our adversaries and detractors to reveal their true positions and intentions so he can form a response.  It is a management style that I recognize having used it myself.  When confronted by people who say that they unable to do certain things I would say ok what are the obstacles that prevent you from properly doing your job and what do you need me to do in order to make you able to do your job.  To be fair and objective, the first time they are taken at face value with the proper amount of cynicism in an honest effort to fix things for all.  You then come up with the solution that gives them what they need so they can actually do their job properly.  So they either get their act together and do the given task properly or if they don't you might give them the benefit of the doubt and try the same process again.  A second fail and you begin to look at motivations, strengths and weaknesses of these people / agencies and figure out or size them up regarding their willingness and / or ability to accomplish what they say they can do.

Moving right along through the ongoing negotiations in Qatar (?) to where we are taking things to the next step, considering actually making a deal.  First thing that has to be established is are you who you say you really are ?  Do you really control the people you claim to represent ?  If not, then we are speaking to the wrong people or there are too many groups still competing for that position.  If so, then there is no way to make a deal because no one can claim that they have enough control over their people to get everyone to comply.  This weekend we came a bit closer to that answer regarding the Taliban.  My opinion is that they are bluffing about the fact that they have the necessary control to get everyone under them to comply.  Or they are not really all that smart because if they were, they would not have claimed credit for the most recent car bombing in Kabul until after the meeting.  Tells me that there are definitely competing factions / tribes (being in Afghanistan) within the Taliban and that a deal is basically presently impossible.  I think that this is Trump's conclusion when he says that any deal is now "dead".  He is not afraid to cut his / our losses.  A known strength demonstrated by his use of bankruptcy laws.

All of this because of a real meeting that didn't happen.  The bluff was successfully called, imo.  It's now time for Plan B.  Getting all the way out of Afghanistan and cutting it loose.  Turn it over to the locals.  Russia has its hands full with an opiod problem of their own sourced right out of Afghanistan.  They have a motivation to get involved.  We are now energy independent and have new options that we never had before now that Trump has turned around energy policy in this country.

I trust Trump's foreign policy.  He has not started any new wars as all the fear mongers predicted.  He's gotten slacker NATO members to cough up more cash.  He did what other presidents promised but never delivered by recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital.  War did not break out as the fear mongers promised.  Problems in the Middle East no longer have a major impact on oil prices.  Quite frankly, despite all the sabre rattling, the Middle East is relatively stable for the first time in years, mainly because their oil is less important in over all global strategy and they have less leverage as a result.  OPEC has been taken down a notch or two.  The two remaining competing forces for Middle Eastern oil are China and the EU.  Israel is our permanent foot in the door over there.  Turkey is a NATO country in name only and can no longer be counted on.  The EU is basically a negative interest rate zone and ramping up to print more money.  China devalued its currency by 12% and what it really did was transfer more of the tariff burden back onto the Chinese.  The tariff collected is less because the goods now cost less because of the currency devaluation.  China eats that 12% right off of their top line before the stuff even leaves the country.  That 12% is real money.  It hurts them hard.  The cost of gold in $'s has gone up 25% since this trade war began.  The cost of gold to China has gone up 45% in their currency due to their devaluation.  They have one of the largest gold reserves in the world.  China only buys gold, it does not sell it.  It also devalues the US Treasury Bonds that they hold because it now costs less in real dollars to pay them off.  Huawei and 5G.  They need our chips and we have their princess locked up in Canada.  Hong Kong.  We have China on the ropes.  We must follow through with this.

Bolton, some other time, I'm tired now.

ymmv.

straight answer to your straight question

in the respectful spirit of the dozen or so years we have been conversing 

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Posted: Sep 10, 2019 - 6:58pm

 aflanigan wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

The Chinese view us as gullible and extremely foolish and have no problem in taking advantage of us.  They are playing the long game and we are playing a very short game and will accept meaningless promises (shiny objects) to make our constituencies immediately, albeit temporarily, happy. Chinese smart, West stupid.  Or something to that effect.  
And it was working very well until Trump showed up.


 

kurtster also wrote:

the entire purpose of the meeting was for Trump to look the players directly in their eyes in order to size everyone up. There was never any other purpose for these meetings as the two opposing sides were never scheduled to meet each other ... 

For them to meet would have meant that there was something already on the table.

And yeah, good riddance JB. Trump gets credit for being willing to listen to all sides however ...that is what good leaders do.



Sometimes, a potentially clarifying moment is just staring you in the face; an opportunity to integrate related thoughts/observations that bubble up in the mind, to make a connection between those observations and synthesize a new understanding of the world around you, yet somehow . . . it eludes you, or you explain it away for some reason . . . 
 
You edited out some relevant parts that change the meaning of my statements to suit your needs.  Shallow.  I stand by my statements.  
steeler

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Posted: Sep 10, 2019 - 5:17pm



 westslope wrote:


 steeler wrote:


 haresfur wrote:


 .......

As an aside, I think that if Hillary had been elected, that the US would have gotten into a large military action by this time. I think it was a democratic cabinet member I saw speak who said, "There is nothing more dangerous than a liberal who has to prove how tough they are."
 
Hillary had a lot of foreign policy experience. 

I would say say nothing more dangerous than a foreign policy novice who has to prove how tough he is — and believes that geopolitical negotiations are a matter of toughness.

 
Hillary might have had experience but she also made a lot of bad mistakes.  

Now it is Trump's turn to make a lot of bad mistakes.  Thankfully, a sharp, competent businessman, he knows that some decisions must be paid for in dead Americans. 
 

I question whether being a sharp, competent businessman is sufficient.


westslope

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Posted: Sep 10, 2019 - 5:10pm



 steeler wrote:


 haresfur wrote:


 .......

As an aside, I think that if Hillary had been elected, that the US would have gotten into a large military action by this time. I think it was a democratic cabinet member I saw speak who said, "There is nothing more dangerous than a liberal who has to prove how tough they are."
 
Hillary had a lot of foreign policy experience. 

I would say say nothing more dangerous than a foreign policy novice who has to prove how tough he is — and believes that geopolitical negotiations are a matter of toughness.

 
Hillary might have had experience but she also made a lot of bad mistakes.  

Now it is Trump's turn to make a lot of bad mistakes.  Thankfully, a sharp, competent businessman, he knows that some decisions must be paid for in dead Americans. 
steeler

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Posted: Sep 10, 2019 - 5:01pm



 haresfur wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

I think you underestimate just how bad Bolton aka The mustache of death is.  This is a great thing in regards to foreign policy anyway.
 

Agree, but Trump no credit for getting rid of a war monger he appointed in the first place.  Frankly I'm surprised that Bolton didn't talk him into a war.

As an aside, I think that if Hillary had been elected, that the US would have gotten into a large military action by this time. I think it was a democratic cabinet member I saw speak who said, "There is nothing more dangerous than a liberal who has to prove how tough they are."
 
Hillary had a lot of foreign policy experience. 

I would say nothing more dangerous than a foreign policy novice who has to prove how tough he is — and believes that geopolitical negotiations are a matter of toughness.

haresfur

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Posted: Sep 10, 2019 - 3:38pm



 sirdroseph wrote:

I think you underestimate just how bad Bolton aka The mustache of death is.  This is a great thing in regards to foreign policy anyway.
 

Agree, but Trump no credit for getting rid of a war monger he appointed in the first place.  Frankly I'm surprised that Bolton didn't talk him into a war.

As an aside, I think that if Hillary had been elected, that the US would have gotten into a large military action by this time. I think it was a democratic cabinet member I saw speak who said, "There is nothing more dangerous than a liberal who has to prove how tough they are."
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Posted: Sep 10, 2019 - 3:10pm



 sunybuny wrote:


 westslope wrote:
Trump Fires John Bolton as National Security Adviser - NYT

.... because Bolton was too hawkish.   Amusing in light of the decision to move the US embassy to Jerusalem.  How many dead Americans was that decision worth?  

That was Trump's 3rd national security adviser.  Who will be the forth?
 

What's Sarah Palin doing these days? She can see Russia from her front porch, right?  

 

Hubby has filed for divorce from YaYouBetcha...
BlueHeronDruid

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Posted: Sep 10, 2019 - 12:07pm

Forgive me for not realizing this was a competition. You are correct. He is the very model of discretion.
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Posted: Sep 10, 2019 - 11:41am

 Lazy8 wrote:
sirdroseph wrote:
I think you underestimate just how bad Bolton aka The mustache of death is.  This is a great thing in regards to foreign policy anyway.

Great news? Sure, I guess. A bit like being congratulated for finding the fire extinguisher after setting yourself on fire lighting your own farts.
 
Well at least he did find the fire extinguisher.{#Mrgreen}
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Posted: Sep 10, 2019 - 11:14am

Something for everyone in this article...


Naughty by NATO

ON JULY 17, 2018, Donald Trump appeared on Tucker Carlson’s nightly white-power hour to gripe about, of all things, Montenegro. He decried the tiny Balkan nation as “very aggressive,” and, as if visibly cueing up the next bullet point on a two-sentence PowerPoint he took pains to memorize, darkly hinted that the country might start World War III.
...
It would require a lethal amount of credulity to believe that Putin did not feed Trump the Montenegro talking point during that meeting. There is no conspiracy theory necessary to draw that conclusion; it does not make Trump a “Russian asset” or any other nonsense. The simplest and most compelling explanation is that Donald Trump is vain, dumb, and easy to manipulate for someone as calculating as Putin.

westslope

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Posted: Sep 10, 2019 - 11:12am



 kurtster wrote:

The Chinese view us as gullible and extremely foolish and have no problem in taking advantage of us.  They are playing the long game and we are playing a very short game and will accept meaningless promises (shiny objects) to make our constituencies immediately, albeit temporarily, happy. Chinese smart, West stupid.  Or something to that effect. 

And it was working very well until Trump showed up.
 
Fact:  The Chinese have a vested interest in US economic prosperity.

Fact:  Lots of your allies think you are stupid and self-loathing.  That does not mean that they wish upon Americans bad outcomes.  

Fact:  The Chinese per capita income is less than 1/3 of US per capita income.  Taking advantage of you?   Did the Chinese force Americans to buy Chinese goods or Chinese components buried in American goods?

You sound like a rapist blaming the victim.  

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Posted: Sep 10, 2019 - 11:03am



 kurtster wrote:

The Chinese view us as gullible and extremely foolish and have no problem in taking advantage of us.  They are playing the long game and we are playing a very short game and will accept meaningless promises (shiny objects) to make our constituencies immediately, albeit temporarily, happy. Chinese smart, West stupid.  Or something to that effect. 


 

kurtster also wrote:



the entire purpose of the meeting was for Trump to look the players directly in their eyes in order to size everyone up. There was never any other purpose for these meetings as the two opposing sides were never scheduled to meet each other ... that is what good leaders do.




Sometimes, a potentially clarifying moment is just staring you in the face; an opportunity to integrate related thoughts/observations that bubble up in the mind, to make a connection between those observations and synthesize a new understanding of the world around you, yet somehow . . . it eludes you, or you explain it away for some reason . . . 
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Posted: Sep 10, 2019 - 10:44am



 westslope wrote:
Trump Fires John Bolton as National Security Adviser - NYT

.... because Bolton was too hawkish.   Amusing in light of the decision to move the US embassy to Jerusalem.  How many dead Americans was that decision worth?  

That was Trump's 3rd national security adviser.  Who will be the forth?
 

What's Sarah Palin doing these days? She can see Russia from her front porch, right?  
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Posted: Sep 10, 2019 - 10:24am



 kurtster wrote:

Maybe to you.  The understanding that I have is that the entire purpose of the meeting was for Trump to look the players directly in their eyes in order to size everyone up.  There was never any other purpose for these meetings as the two opposing sides were never scheduled to meet each other.  For them to meet would have meant that there was something already on the table.

And yeah, good riddance JB.  Trump gets credit for being willing to listen to all sides however ... that is what good leaders do.
 

First paragraph: If your take is accurate, why was it suddenly no longer necessary for Trump to “size” up these players? 

Second paragraph: if Trump is so willing to hear opposing views, why is there a revolving door in and out of senior advisors? 



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Posted: Sep 10, 2019 - 10:23am

sirdroseph wrote:
I think you underestimate just how bad Bolton aka The mustache of death is.  This is a great thing in regards to foreign policy anyway.

Great news? Sure, I guess. A bit like being congratulated for finding the fire extinguisher after setting yourself on fire lighting your own farts.
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