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Posted: Jan 15, 2020 - 8:36am



 rgio wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
There is apparently some discussion of hired goons vs. Yovanovich, concurrent with the President saying she's going to be going through some things soon. I haven't seen the specific timeline yet but eek.
 
The reality for Republicans in the Senate is that history is going to judge them harshly if they rubber-stamp a trial, and every day it gets harder and harder to ignore the new facts that corroborate the stories told by witnesses in the House hearings.

There is no doubt that the President attempted to coerce a foreign government into creating a scandal implicating his most obvious opposition in the 2020 election for personal benefit, applying leverage to an ally by withholding funds that had been legally approved for distribution during their war with a known enemy of the US.  A set of facts so concerning to the founding fathers, they did everything but draw pictures for us.

Rebuttals are pointless and disingenuous.  My favorite is "this President sold them Javelin missiles to defend themselves, something Obama wouldn't do".   The javelins are only a talking point, as we sold them with restrictions that render them useless.  Republicans will explain the limitations on their use aside, they are a "strategic deterrent", yet the strategic impact of a message to the Russians that aiding our ally is silly and futile.  The arguments are more akin to a kindergarten sandbox than international relations.  

Anyone who defends these actions does so solely in an attempt to have their party win the 2020 election, with no regard for the country as a whole.  Abortion?  Judges? Taxes?  What could possibly be so important that you would defend short term victories for potential long term devastation?  It's baffling....and sad.

 

Apparently that and 'owning the libs'. 
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Posted: Jan 15, 2020 - 8:04am



 Proclivities wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Very interesting.  Is this supposed to be Rudy's handwriting ?  It's written by a left handed person the best I can tell.

I believe that he is right handed, but what do I know ...
 
It's the first I've seen of it but that note and others were apparently written by Lev Parnas, Rudy's "associate".  There is more info here and some other places.  I guess more info will come out soon.

 

The author of the notes—which the press indicates is Parnas—misspells "Zelensky."
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Posted: Jan 15, 2020 - 6:44am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
There is apparently some discussion of hired goons vs. Yovanovich, concurrent with the President saying she's going to be going through some things soon. I haven't seen the specific timeline yet but eek.
 
The reality for Republicans in the Senate is that history is going to judge them harshly if they rubber-stamp a trial, and every day it gets harder and harder to ignore the new facts that corroborate the stories told by witnesses in the House hearings.

There is no doubt that the President attempted to coerce a foreign government into creating a scandal implicating his most obvious opposition in the 2020 election for personal benefit, applying leverage to an ally by withholding funds that had been legally approved for distribution during their war with a known enemy of the US.  A set of facts so concerning to the founding fathers, they did everything but draw pictures for us.

Rebuttals are pointless and disingenuous.  My favorite is "this President sold them Javelin missiles to defend themselves, something Obama wouldn't do".   The javelins are only a talking point, as we sold them with restrictions that render them useless.  Republicans will explain the limitations on their use aside, they are a "strategic deterrent", yet the strategic impact of a message to the Russians that aiding our ally is silly and futile.  The arguments are more akin to a kindergarten sandbox than international relations.  

Anyone who defends these actions does so solely in an attempt to have their party win the 2020 election, with no regard for the country as a whole.  Abortion?  Judges? Taxes?  What could possibly be so important that you would defend short term victories for potential long term devastation?  It's baffling....and sad.

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Posted: Jan 15, 2020 - 6:07am



 kurtster wrote:
 Proclivities wrote:
It's the first I've seen of it but that note and others were apparently written by Lev Parnas, Rudy's "associate".  There is more info here and some other places.  I guess more will info will come out soon.


 
Thanks. 

I'd already heard these mentioned on Fox and richard posted a link about these somewhere else that was a little too busy to follow and make any sense of.  Your's is pretty straight forward.  Have to wait and see how this develops.
 

There is apparently some discussion of hired goons vs. Yovanovich, concurrent with the President saying she's going to be going through some things soon. I haven't seen the specific timeline yet but eek.
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Posted: Jan 15, 2020 - 5:42am

 Proclivities wrote:
It's the first I've seen of it but that note and others were apparently written by Lev Parnas, Rudy's "associate".  There is more info here and some other places.  I guess more will info will come out soon.


 
Thanks. 

I'd already heard these mentioned on Fox and richard posted a link about these somewhere else that was a little too busy to follow and make any sense of.  Your's is pretty straight forward.  Have to wait and see how this develops.
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Posted: Jan 15, 2020 - 3:17am



 kurtster wrote:

Very interesting.  Is this supposed to be Rudy's handwriting ?  It's written by a left handed person the best I can tell.

I believe that he is right handed, but what do I know ...
 
It's the first I've seen of it but that note and others were apparently written by Lev Parnas, Rudy's "associate".  There is more info here and some other places.  I guess more info will come out soon.

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Posted: Jan 14, 2020 - 10:11pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
 
Very interesting.  Is this supposed to be Rudy's handwriting ?  It's written by a left handed person the best I can tell.

I believe that he is right handed, but what do I know ...
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Posted: Jan 14, 2020 - 7:14pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
 
oh, snap
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Posted: Jan 14, 2020 - 7:10pm


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Posted: Jan 14, 2020 - 6:07pm


kurtster

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Posted: Jan 14, 2020 - 5:45pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Care to elaborate ?
 

For you? I think not.
 
I thought as much.  Just checking to be sure.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2020 - 5:43pm



 kurtster wrote:

Care to elaborate ?
 

For you? I think not.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2020 - 5:16pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Wow. Just wow.

 
Care to elaborate ?
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Posted: Jan 14, 2020 - 4:03pm



 kurtster wrote:
 
Wow. Just wow.

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Posted: Jan 14, 2020 - 2:53pm



 kurtster wrote:
... This not socialism at all. Not even close. It is called capitalism.
 
Let's be fair...there is enough stupid to go around right now.

The idea of farmers selling $40B of products to anyone would indeed qualify as capitalism.  

The current expectation of the trade deal is that China will agree to increase purchases by $16B/year for at least the next 2 years.  If you add that to the baseline of 2017 trade ($24B), you get to $40B.

The socialism commentary relates specifically to 2018 and 2019, when the President provided $8.6B and potentially $14.5B (2019 not final yet) to farmers who were negatively impacted by the trade war.  The funds to pay the farmers were collected in tariffs, so you have the government taking money from people buying things and giving it to those who can't sell their products.  Oh...by the way...ignoring the trade war the US already provides about $20B in farm subsidies.  You effectively have the government managing/supporting the means of production through the financial support of the entire community.  That's pretty much socialism.

The tweat is wrong, but suggesting that the dealmaker-in-chief is somehow creating capitalism opportunities through negotiation is just silly.  He set the house on fire, and now wants credit for calling the fire department.  

Kurt - if you are truly a capitalist, then you should let the farmers deal with the lack of a market on their own.  Eliminate all farm subsidies.  It's only because of the socialist policies of your Republican President that you have enough farmers to possibly sell $40B of anything to China.  

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Posted: Jan 14, 2020 - 2:10pm

 islander wrote:


 Steely_D wrote:


 R_P wrote:
 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
Free stuff!
 

Damned hippies!!
 

Welfare farmers.
 
Once again, y'all are clueless.  Did any of you actually see this speech ?  Probably not because you would have had to watch Fox in order to have seen it.

The quote above is in reference to the size of the agricultural part of the trade deal with China about to be signed tomorrow.  Trump added that he was worried if our farmers could produce enough to meet the needs to fulfill China's purchases because it was so big.  No free stuff.  They (the farmers) are getting paid (by the Chinese) for what they produce.  The farmers would then be able to buy more and better equipment because they are going to need it.  A trickle down to other parts of the economy.  Those that manufacture farming equipment, and so on.

Let's try restating the misrepresentation in the tweet.

"We're signing a monster.  A big beautiful monster.  Forty to fifty billion dollars to our farmersour farmers will be taken taking in.  I keep saying go buy larger tractors."

The tweeter is just another actor who has once again sucked y'all in and fooled y'all because y'all give Hollywood so much credibility. 

Y'all are your own worst enemies.  You're playing into your own confirmation bias, being spoon fed this clever misrepresentation and then running around screaming look what he has done this time !   

This not socialism at all.  Not even close.  It is called capitalism. 

Y'all are the ones being taken in.

Sigh.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2020 - 1:19pm



 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
Yeah....  we can go and back forth all day long about Canadian dairy quotas and other agricultural quotas but at the very least Canada does not flood the global market with highly subsidized agricultural products like the Americans and Europeans do.

Besides, do cool people like the greatest POTUS ever care about folks in poor, developing countries?   Of course not.    

Seriously, if you could use your economic might to crush industries in poor countries, would you not do so?  

islander

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Posted: Jan 14, 2020 - 12:38pm



 Steely_D wrote:


 R_P wrote:
 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
Free stuff!
 

Damned hippies!!
 

Welfare farmers.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2020 - 12:33pm



 R_P wrote:
 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
Free stuff!
 

Damned hippies!!
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