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bokey
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Lazy8 wrote: bokey wrote:NRA?No? OK-just a thought.Cause things that make sense,well,we can't have them.Can we? Or can we? LOL at you silly little critters.Gezuss!
The evil that exudes from Libs is amazing.Just incredible,holier than thou BS.
And again,America and all good things laugh at the idiocy of the children who had no parenting skills in their lives.I'm sorry you didn't have parents that weren't dope fiends. Haven't given them a dime since they endorsed Trump. Now that the election is over I'll think about it. It's a tough call.Good to see that you're (perhaps sarcastically) being open minded.That's a good thing.
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Lazy8
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bokey wrote:NRA?No? OK-just a thought.Cause things that make sense,well,we can't have them.Can we? Or can we? LOL at you silly little critters.Gezuss!
The evil that exudes from Libs is amazing.Just incredible,holier than thou BS.
And again,America and all good things laugh at the idiocy of the children who had no parenting skills in their lives.I'm sorry you didn't have parents that weren't dope fiends. Haven't given them a dime since they endorsed Trump. Now that the election is over I'll think about it.
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bokey
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Lazy8 wrote:I am not content to just complain online. I'm going to take some positive action. Part of that is funding charities to counter some of Trump's more obnoxious agendas.
We're putting together our end-of-the-year charity list. So far we have:
ACLU Institute for Justice American Friends Service Committee Planned Parenthood (going to donate to the national as well as local branch this year)
Interested in any suggestions for other organizations that will need a boost this year.
NRA?No? OK-just a thought.Cause things that make sense,well,we can't have them.Can we? Or can we? LOL at you silly little critters.Gezuss! The evil that exudes from Libs is amazing.Just incredible,holier than thou BS. And again,America and all good things laugh at the idiocy of the children who had no parenting skills in their lives.I'm sorry you(as a generalization,not personal) didn't have parents that weren't dope fiends.
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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kcar
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Nov 30, 2016 - 11:43pm |
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kurtster, you have a point about Obama's relative lack of experience when taking office in early 2009. However, Obama's positions on major foreign policy issues were well known and fleshed out. He had a fleet of experienced advisors guiding him. His cautious nature and willingness to change his opinions based on new information gave American allies good reason to trust that American foreign policy would not drastically and unpredictably change course.
We have no such reason to trust Trump. He is not nearly as well briefed as Obama when he took office. Trump forms opinions based on what he sees on TV or what someone tells him during an informal conversation. He has no strategic vision or general plan for dealing with international issues. I don't believe the man is capable of sustained focus on a few important issues at a time. If you thought that Trump would stop tweeting frenetically and bouncing from one topic to the next once he won the election, guess again.
This guy is worse than George W. Bush. Dubya at least knew that the job was a big deal, that the gaps in his knowledge were so big that he needed to rely on his advisors, and that he shouldn't always say what he was thinking. You can't say the same things about Trump. He changes his mind on all sorts of matters from one day to the next, even on major policy issues.
You wanted someone to blow Washington up? You got him. I sure hope you weren't expecting him to be sane, competent or constructive as well.
Enjoy this NYT article...if you can hold off from automatically dismissing it because it's from the Times. Please, try actually reading it if only to get a sense that Trump is now largely in power but he's still All. Over. The Map. Trump, a Free-Form Leader, Experiments and Invites Drama While Mr. Trump’s focus appeared to careen unpredictably from hour to hour, the larger pattern he followed was a familiar one. As a candidate, Mr. Trump operated largely on gut instinct, with publicity-seeking provocation as his chief tactic. Trusting few people outside a circle of intimates, Mr. Trump thrived in a daily cycle of controversy and cultivated an atmosphere of often-public drama and division within his campaign.
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Mr. Trump’s method, friends and allies say, matches the reputation he built first in New York and then on reality television — less as a traditional corporate executive, like Mr. Romney, than as an eager impresario who experimented freely, welcomed conflict and flopped repeatedly.
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It would be difficult to overstate the extremity of Mr. Trump’s departure from recent presidential practice. His immediate predecessors prided themselves on orderly, fastidious deliberations: George W. Bush as the first president with a business degree, Mr. Obama as a candidate branded by aides as “no drama Obama.” Even Republicans concede that it is not clear how Mr. Trump’s roller-coaster approach to the transition will carry over to governing. Mr. Gingrich predicted during the Republican primary contests that a Trump administration would function as a kind of daily adventure. “If Trump does end up winning, you will have no idea each morning what’s going to happen,” he said in a January interview, “because he will have no idea.” But enacting sweeping changes or passing even modest legislation requires intensive, sustained attention from presidents and their teams, of a kind Mr. Trump has never dedicated to matters of policy. haresfur wrote: The Soviet Union is being partially reconstituted exactly as you say, under the guise of "traditional territorial interests". If you consider effectively taking over half of Ukraine as merely defending traditional interests, then you are saying the traditional interests are the SU.
Umm...half? This map from this Wikipedia page indicates otherwise. Putin may want to rebuild something like the USSR through economic and military intimidation but that dream is well out his grasp. Russia's interest in and control of Ukraine began well before the creation of the USSR. Russia has long regarded the Ukrainian area as the cultural cradle of the Russian people. Ukraine largely gave up its sovereignty in the mid-1600s to the czar of Moscovy in return for protection from Polish encroachment and "the Ukrainian state was eventually absorbed into the Russian Empire."
Ukraine today is strategically valuable to Russia.
Ukraine crisis is about Great Power oil, gas pipeline rivalry
A more recent US State Department-sponsored report notes that "Ukraine's strategic location between the main energy producers (Russia and the Caspian Sea area) and consumers in the Eurasian region, its large transit network, and its available underground gas storage capacities", make the country "a potentially crucial player in European energy transit" - a position that will "grow as Western European demands for Russian and Caspian gas and oil continue to increase." Ukraine's overwhelming dependence on Russian energy imports, however, has had "negative implications for US strategy in the region," in particular the strategy of: "... supporting multiple pipeline routes on the East–West axis as a way of helping promote a more pluralistic system in the region as an alternative to continued Russian hegemony."
Russia felt that its regional interests were threatened by impending Western competition against Russia's natural gas pipelines running through Ukraine, drafted negotiations between Ukraine and the EU towards a free trade agreement, increased Ukrainian cooperation with NATO and the expiration in 2017 of the Russian Black Sea Naval Base lease in Sevastapol, Crimea. The 2014 protests in Kiev were popular anger at Ukrainian president Yanukovich's attempts to push the country back into cooperation with Russia.
We cannot simply abandon Ukraine to the whim of Putin. It is a partner with NATO and is still moving towards greater economic integration with the EU. That said, there's a limited amount of options available to its Western allies, even if NATO had a clear mission and greater military might. I have very little faith that Trump will be able to grasp the nuances of the situation and improve matters.
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BlueHeronDruid
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Nov 30, 2016 - 11:39pm |
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islander wrote: Lazy8 wrote: I am not content to just complain online. I'm going to take some positive action. Part of that is funding charities to counter some of Trump's more obnoxious agendas.
We're putting together our end-of-the-year charity list. So far we have:
ACLU Institute for Justice American Friends Service Committee Planned Parenthood (going to donate to the national as well as local branch this year)
Interested in any suggestions for other organizations that will need a boost this year.
We also support the Southern Poverty Law Center. I'm looming for some environmental options as well. Yes. And as my high-powered attorney friend says, NAACP legal defense fund.
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islander
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Nov 30, 2016 - 10:29pm |
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Lazy8 wrote: I am not content to just complain online. I'm going to take some positive action. Part of that is funding charities to counter some of Trump's more obnoxious agendas.
We're putting together our end-of-the-year charity list. So far we have:
ACLU Institute for Justice American Friends Service Committee Planned Parenthood (going to donate to the national as well as local branch this year)
Interested in any suggestions for other organizations that will need a boost this year.
We also support the Southern Poverty Law Center. I'm looming for some environmental options as well.
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ScottFromWyoming
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Nov 30, 2016 - 9:59pm |
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Lazy8 wrote:I am not content to just complain online. I'm going to take some positive action. Part of that is funding charities to counter some of Trump's more obnoxious agendas. We're putting together our end-of-the-year charity list. So far we have: ACLU Institute for JusticeAmerican Friends Service CommitteePlanned Parenthood (going to donate to the national as well as local branch this year) Interested in any suggestions for other organizations that will need a boost this year. I couldn't immediately place two of those so I fixed up some linkage. I think you have things pretty well covered, at least until we see what random-ass fires he starts.
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Lazy8
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Nov 30, 2016 - 9:48pm |
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I am not content to just complain online. I'm going to take some positive action. Part of that is funding charities to counter some of Trump's more obnoxious agendas.
We're putting together our end-of-the-year charity list. So far we have:
ACLU Institute for Justice American Friends Service Committee Planned Parenthood (going to donate to the national as well as local branch this year)
Interested in any suggestions for other organizations that will need a boost this year.
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KurtfromLaQuinta
Location: Really deep in the heart of South California Gender:
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Nov 30, 2016 - 9:04pm |
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oldviolin
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Nov 30, 2016 - 8:45pm |
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steeler wrote:Here is a thought: maybe there is no swamp to drain.
Just a farm pond full of scum, turtles, pan fish and an occasional previously missing automobile complete with various and sundry speculation...
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steeler
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Nov 30, 2016 - 7:38pm |
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Here is a thought: maybe there is no swamp to drain.
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kurtster
Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:
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Nov 30, 2016 - 7:24pm |
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ScottFromWyoming wrote: It's been a couple of decades or so since I read it but Don DeLillo's "Underworld" has Russia accepting nuclear waste, which they bury deep under Siberia someplace, along with an old warhead. They set off the warhead, which incinerates the nuclear waste too. I think that was what they were doing. Something with nukes that nobody else wanted to touch but were willing to pay them to do.
Interesting ...
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Nov 30, 2016 - 7:19pm |
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ScottFromWyoming
Location: Powell Gender:
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Nov 30, 2016 - 5:07pm |
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kurtster wrote: what Russia's new long term survival means will become the focus.
It's been a couple of decades or so since I read it but Don DeLillo's "Underworld" has Russia accepting nuclear waste, which they bury deep under Siberia someplace, along with an old warhead. They set off the warhead, which incinerates the nuclear waste too. I think that was what they were doing. Something with nukes that nobody else wanted to touch but were willing to pay them to do.
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kurtster
Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:
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Nov 30, 2016 - 5:00pm |
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haresfur wrote:kcar wrote: snip...
The Soviet Union is not reconstituted nor will it likely ever be even partially. Russia revived in the aughts mostly due to the rising price of oil and its hydrocarbon reserves. Outside of the petrochemical sector it does not have a robust economy, hence its struggles with falling oil and gas prices.
Russia has defended its traditional territorial interests with interventions in Georgia, Ukraine and Syria (a longtime client state and home to a strategic Russian naval base in Tartus), but it has nowhere near the military might of the former USSR. The People's Republic of China is a far, far greater economic and military power.
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The Soviet Union is being partially reconstituted exactly as you say, under the guise of "traditional territorial interests". If you consider effectively taking over half of Ukraine as merely defending traditional interests, then you are saying the traditional interests are the SU. Looking back through history, the Prime Russian Directive since at least the 19th Century has been the pursuit of a warm water seaport. Syria. Putin will defend Assad to the end to ensure their seaport. Crimea, also provides a seaport, though it is bottle necked by The Bosporus. IIRC the real reason for the Soviet incursion into Afghanistan was to push south, eventually into the Indian Ocean in the quest of a direct connection to an Ocean warm water port. Eastern Ukraine has rich hydrocarbon deposits. Hydrocarbons are Russia's primary source of hard currency. Its still about a secure warm water seaport and now hydrocarbons in the 21st Century. Unfortunately, the hydrocarbon part will be short lived and obsolete by the end of this century leaving one to wonder what Russia's new long term survival means will become the focus.
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haresfur
Location: The Golden Triangle Gender:
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Nov 30, 2016 - 3:52pm |
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kurtster wrote: Exactly. Trump ran on a non interventionist foreign policy. Something we haven't seen since Monroe. One reason I supported him.
The US had non-interventionist foreign policies for the first halves of WWI and WWII. I won't say much about the first, but the second was despicable.
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haresfur
Location: The Golden Triangle Gender:
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Nov 30, 2016 - 3:47pm |
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kcar wrote: snip...
The Soviet Union is not reconstituted nor will it likely ever be even partially. Russia revived in the aughts mostly due to the rising price of oil and its hydrocarbon reserves. Outside of the petrochemical sector it does not have a robust economy, hence its struggles with falling oil and gas prices.
Russia has defended its traditional territorial interests with interventions in Georgia, Ukraine and Syria (a longtime client state and home to a strategic Russian naval base in Tartus), but it has nowhere near the military might of the former USSR. The People's Republic of China is a far, far greater economic and military power.
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The Soviet Union is being partially reconstituted exactly as you say, under the guise of "traditional territorial interests". If you consider effectively taking over half of Ukraine as merely defending traditional interests, then you are saying the traditional interests are the SU.
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kurtster
Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:
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Nov 30, 2016 - 3:10pm |
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kurtster wrote: Exactly. Trump ran on a non interventionist foreign policy. Something we haven't seen since Monroe. One reason I supported him.
To everyone else ... To those who say Trump has no clue regarding foreign policy ... Just exactly how much experience did the present occupant of the WH have going in ? Was he conducting business in 20 countries prior to taking office ? Just how many countries did he visit as an adult before taking office ? For that matter, just what experience did he have going in in anything that qualified him for POTUS more than Trump ? What did Obama run or operate ?
So we (the USA) are going to throw the Baltic States under the bus and give them back to Russia ? Says who ? And just why is it the responsibility of the USA (only) ? Can't the EU defend itself without the help of again, the USA ? If so why not ?
Its time that everyone starts pulling their own weight. The USA spent the entire 20th Century saving the world from itself and what have we got in return ? Hate is all.
The NWO and all the Globalists can go eff themselves.
Ya know, I addressed everyone's thoughts expressed below regarding Trump's potential foreign policy and not one response was directed at that. Not one. Instead its a complete redirect to something different. I'll be happy to share my thoughts regarding those redirects, if my thoughts above are responded to.
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steeler
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Nov 30, 2016 - 12:32pm |
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Here is the thing about the whole "drain the swamp" promise and other promises like that: They are born out of a need to vilify those in power with whom you have policy differences (or, in some cases, to vilify those who are contending for the office or power you are seeking, even when there might not be significant policy differences). It is not enough to attack an opponent's policies. So, you have the recurring theme (from this year's campaign especially) of being someone who is not part of the "establishment." Someone who will "fix" what is wrong in Washington, D.C., and stand up to the Washington, D.C. "cartel." Some billionaires are not part of the establishment. Some incumbent Senators are not part of the establishment. Some members of the media are part of the establishment, but others are not Trump is not alone in making these types of claims, but he did up the ante on using vilification as a campaign strategy. Candidates for all kinds of offices are no longer just not the best choice, they actually are evil devils who need to be locked up. This is all smoke and mirrors. Us against Them stuff. And it works.
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