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BlueHeronDruid
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ScottFromWyoming wrote: What the fuck was that? Holy cow. Pathetic. Signed, Willis Bender
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Steely_D
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Feb 16, 2017 - 4:38pm |
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kcar wrote:"I inherited a mess"—what a bunch of bull$hi^. Trump's the dumpster fire here. The man's head is filled with trash. If failure, or at least clumsy inability, is the inevitable future there are two choices: "Sorry, but I did the wrong thing there. I'll try to do better." or "Everyone else is the problem here, and you can expect not much more from me since they're holding me back." An example today, and we can certainly start a list: when he made the wrong statement about his electoral college vote count (a dead cat that he still swings around from three months ago), and was told he was wrong, he replies that he was "given that information." Him being wrong is someone else's fault. With a nation on the upswing after the horrible W years, it's irrational to talk about the nation being a "mess." But it's his only out. He can't do better because of others' incompetence. A few minutes ago on FOX I heard the contention that the problem with the intelligence departments are the mid-level managers who aren't concerned with the Constitution, but with trying to set "trip wires" (really said that) designed to sabotage the current administration. The answer was to fire all mid-level intelligence personnel. An interesting, but ludicrous idea: bringing in a fresh intelligence team for each administration because the previous team is basically treasonous.
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Feb 16, 2017 - 2:47pm |
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black321 wrote: Right, I more or less agree as it relates to our little backwater community. But where I'm starting to have issues is how the media is over-analyzing every comment (even heretofore rather innocuous local cable sources), which gives weight to the alt-right view that the media is biased, liberal...
I wouldn't say that the media is over-analyzing Trump's comments. Like everyone else, the media is trying to divine the administration's agenda and policy positions. Normally at the beginning of a presidency, there's a fair amount of confusion as administration officials contradict each other or struggle to get on the same page. But with this administration, it's all flowing out of Trump's mouth, and he's saying mutually contradictory things about a policy from one day to the next. The chaotic, fact-dodging and Trump-centric spirit of this press conference was his presidency (so far) in a nutshell. And Republicans are getting antsy: G.O.P.’s Grand Visions for Congress Now Look Like a Mirage
WASHINGTON — Congressional Republicans, who craved unified control of the government to secure their aggressive conservative agenda, have instead found themselves on a legislative elliptical trainer, gliding toward nowhere.
... At this point in Barack Obama’s presidency, when Democrats controlled Washington, Congress had passed a stimulus bill totaling nearly $1 trillion to address the financial crisis, approved a measure preventing pay discrimination, expanded a children’s health insurance program, and begun laying the groundwork for major health care and financial regulation bills. President George W. Bush came into office with a congressional blueprint for his signature education act, No Child Left Behind.
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The inactivity stems from a lack of clear policy guidance — and, just as often, contradictory messages — from the Trump administration, which does not appear to have spent the campaign and transition periods forming a legislative wish list.
"I inherited a mess"—what a bunch of bull$hi^. Trump's the dumpster fire here. The man's head is filled with trash.
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Proclivities
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Feb 16, 2017 - 12:22pm |
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kurtster wrote: I don't know what you're looking at but the Russia stuff is all over the place. Can't not see it. So much so that the way its being pushed, the only way Trump can redeem himself would be to declare war on Russia to prove he is not a Russian agent. Is that what it would take and nothing less ?
Yeah, I want to see the leaks investigated. I want to see the reports from Obama's spying on Trump during the campaign. I want to see it all. I want to see any bureaucrats who did the leaking or conducted illegal wire taps put in jail. And if there was any misconduct by the candidates revealed in these reports, I want to see that addressed as well.
Yeah, I want heads to roll. Let it all hang out. With what has come out so far, there are no national secrets left to protect and hide behind so as not to have a full and total disclosure of these transcripts.
And yeah, I still have a big problem with Comey. Something really wrong there, imo.
It's not clear what Comey's been up to - if he's just bumbling around or actually has some agenda (probably something in between). Obviously, he's not supposed to divulge much about active investigations and all, but still, there does seem to be "something really wrong there".
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kurtster
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Feb 16, 2017 - 12:08pm |
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islander wrote:I'm surprised the Russia stuff isn't getting more play. This is seriously treasonous stuff. It looks very much like his campaign collaborated with a hostile foreign power. Where are the "law and order" Republicans? Beyond McCain and Graham, there is a lot of silence on the matter. I think they are hoping that it will blow over, which is nearly as bad. This is party before country. Where is Kurtster and the strong border contingent? We want a wall to keep the latinos out because some tiny contingent might figure out a way to vote, but it's just dandy for Russia to interfere with our elections?
I don't know what you're looking at but the Russia stuff is all over the place. Can't not see it. So much so that the way its being pushed, the only way Trump can redeem himself would be to declare war on Russia to prove he is not a Russian agent. Is that what it would take and nothing less ? Yeah, I want to see the leaks investigated. I want to see the reports from Obama's spying on Trump during the campaign. I want to see it all. I want to see any bureaucrats who did the leaking or conducted illegal wire taps put in jail. And if there was any misconduct by the candidates revealed in these reports, I want to see that addressed as well. Yeah, I want heads to roll. Let it all hang out. With what has come out so far, there are no national secrets left to protect and hide behind so as not to have a full and total disclosure of these transcripts. And yeah, I still have a big problem with Comey. Something really wrong there, imo.
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olivertwist
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Feb 16, 2017 - 9:30am |
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islander
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Feb 16, 2017 - 8:45am |
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And James Comey, seriously, wtf? This is where the next investigation should be focused.
http://www.gq.com/story/james-comey-explain-yourselfHmmm, so when the FBI's probe of the Anthony Weiner sexting scandal turned up a few stray Clinton emails, Director Comey felt the need to immediately share this vital information about the Democratic nominee with the American public. Meanwhile, when the FBI discovered that the other presidential candidate's closest advisors were in regular contact with Russian intelligence officials, it said...nothing at all.
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islander
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Feb 16, 2017 - 8:39am |
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Skydog wrote: Utah House member and Chairman of the House Oversight And Goverment Reform Committee Jason Chaffetz (Jason of all Hillary all the time investigations) said that his committee will be looking into who made these leaks. Not take up the issues that were leaked just who did the leaking, nothing to see here move along.
And these are the same people that were cheering the releases of the e-mails during the election. Those were leaks of information stolen by a hostile foreign government.
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Feb 16, 2017 - 8:34am |
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islander wrote: But just pointing out that he is in fact frequently either lying or misleading is not a conservative/liberal bias display. If he lies 7/10 times and the media reports it faithfully, that's not slant, that's reality. If someone lied to you 70% of the time I bet you would closely analyze 100% of their statements, and you would be justified in doing so.
I'm surprised the Russia stuff isn't getting more play. This is seriously treasonous stuff. It looks very much like his campaign collaborated with a hostile foreign power. Where are the "law and order" Republicans? Beyond McCain and Graham, there is a lot of silence on the matter. I think they are hoping that it will blow over, which is nearly as bad. This is party before country. Where is Kurtster and the strong border contingent? We want a wall to keep the latinos out because some tiny contingent might figure out a way to vote, but it's just dandy for Russia to interfere with our elections?
Utah House member and Chairman of the House Oversight And Goverment Reform Committee Jason Chaffetz (Jason of all Hillary all the time investigations) said that his committee will be looking into who made these leaks. Not take up the issues that were leaked just who did the leaking, nothing to see here move along.
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Proclivities
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Feb 16, 2017 - 8:30am |
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islander wrote: But just pointing out that he is in fact frequently either lying or misleading is not a conservative/liberal bias display. If he lies 7/10 times and the media reports it faithfully, that's not slant, that's reality. If someone lied to you 70% of the time I bet you would closely analyze 100% of their statements, and you would be justified in doing so.
I'm surprised the Russia stuff isn't getting more play. This is seriously treasonous stuff. It looks very much like his campaign collaborated with a hostile foreign power. Where are the "law and order" Republicans? Beyond McCain and Graham, there is a lot of silence on the matter. I think they are hoping that it will blow over, which is nearly as bad. This is party before country. Where is Kurtster and the strong border contingent? We want a wall to keep the latinos out because some tiny contingent might figure out a way to vote, but it's just dandy for Russia to interfere with our elections?
Actually, Sec'y. of Defense, James Mattis said, while answering questions yesterday at NATO headquarters in Brussels, that "There is very little doubt that they (the Russians) have either interfered or attempted to interfere in a number of elections in democracies..." So, that's sort of an acknowledgement.
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black321
Location: An earth without maps Gender:
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Feb 16, 2017 - 8:29am |
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islander wrote: But just pointing out that he is in fact frequently either lying or misleading is not a conservative/liberal bias display. If he lies 7/10 times and the media reports it faithfully, that's not slant, that's reality. If someone lied to you 70% of the time I bet you would closely analyze 100% of their statements, and you would be justified in doing so.
I'm surprised the Russia stuff isn't getting more play. This is seriously treasonous stuff. It looks very much like his campaign collaborated with a hostile foreign power. Where are the "law and order" Republicans? Beyond McCain and Graham, there is a lot of silence on the matter. I think they are hoping that it will blow over, which is nearly as bad. This is party before country. Where is Kurtster and the strong border contingent? We want a wall to keep the latinos out because some tiny contingent might figure out a way to vote, but it's just dandy for Russia to interfere with our elections?
Again, its the 3/10x (or whatever the ratio is) when he doesn't tell a bold face lie and the media/democrats or whomever still report it.
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islander
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Feb 16, 2017 - 8:21am |
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black321 wrote: Right, I more or less agree as it relates to our little backwater community. But where I'm starting to have issues is how the media is over-analyzing every comment (even heretofore rather innocuous local cable sources), which gives weight to the alt-right view that the media is biased, liberal...
But just pointing out that he is in fact frequently either lying or misleading is not a conservative/liberal bias display. If he lies 7/10 times and the media reports it faithfully, that's not slant, that's reality. If someone lied to you 70% of the time I bet you would closely analyze 100% of their statements, and you would be justified in doing so. I'm surprised the Russia stuff isn't getting more play. This is seriously treasonous stuff. It looks very much like his campaign collaborated with a hostile foreign power. Where are the "law and order" Republicans? Beyond McCain and Graham, there is a lot of silence on the matter. I think they are hoping that it will blow over, which is nearly as bad. This is party before country. Where is Kurtster and the strong border contingent? We want a wall to keep the latinos out because some tiny contingent might figure out a way to vote, but it's just dandy for Russia to interfere with our elections?
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Proclivities
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Feb 16, 2017 - 8:12am |
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black321 wrote: Right, I more or less agree as it relates to our little backwater community. But where I'm starting to have issues is how the media is over-analyzing every comment (even heretofore rather innocuous local cable sources), which gives weight to the alt-right view that the media is biased, liberal... Yeah, that's true, and it can certainly make things more polarized than they already are.
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black321
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Feb 16, 2017 - 8:07am |
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Proclivities wrote:I'm not one to jump one everything he says, and do not consider myself an alarmist, but people should be aware of his disinformation campaign - he breathes lies slightly less than Kellyanne does. He shouldn't be given a free rein to go around claiming that millions of voters voted illegally, or saying that our GDP is" below zero", or that the national murder rate is higher than it's been in 47 years, or that the real unemploment rate " is probably 28, 29, as high as 35 . In fact, I even heard recently 42 percent", without being called out on it. By spewing a constant flow of lies and/or half-truths, he and his people are creating an environment where truth has little relevance, especially if these bogus claims are not addressed. There are far too many people who believe his B.S. already. I just thought this last episode was morbidly amusing, not offensive or threatening. Right, I more or less agree as it relates to our little backwater community. But where I'm starting to have issues is how the media is over-analyzing every comment (even heretofore rather innocuous local cable sources), which gives weight to the alt-right view that the media is biased, liberal...
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Proclivities
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Feb 16, 2017 - 7:36am |
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black321 wrote: Right, he's unprepared, talks out of his ass...hardly something new or revealing of his character. My point is the paralysis by analysis every time he makes a comment. Sure there is plenty of his actions/comments to object to, but this seems hardly newsworthy. I dont think its doing those who oppose trump (or any of us) any favors to jump on everything that comes out of the man's mouth.
I'm not one to jump one everything he says, and do not consider myself an alarmist, but people should be aware of his disinformation campaign - he breathes lies slightly less than Kellyanne does. He shouldn't be given a free rein to go around claiming that millions of voters voted illegally, or saying that our GDP is" below zero", or that the national murder rate is higher than it's been in 47 years, or that the real unemploment rate " is probably 28, 29, as high as 35 . In fact, I even heard recently 42 percent", without being called out on it. By spewing a constant flow of lies and/or half-truths, he and his people are creating an environment where truth has little relevance, especially if these bogus claims are not addressed. There are far too many people who believe his B.S. already. I just thought this last episode was morbidly amusing, not offensive or threatening.
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black321
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Feb 16, 2017 - 7:17am |
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ScottFromWyoming wrote: His team is failing to get him up to speed on the questions he's expected to deal with and all that blather was him saying "I have zero idea what you're talking about so I'm just gonna fill some time here."
Right, he's unprepared, talks out of his ass...hardly something new or revealing of his character. My point is the paralysis by analysis every time he makes a comment. Sure there is plenty of his actions/comments to object to, but this seems hardly newsworthy. I dont think its doing those who oppose trump (or any of us) any favors to jump on everything that comes out of the man's mouth.
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Proclivities
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Feb 16, 2017 - 7:13am |
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black321 wrote: honestly, what is the objection here...other than it was a sloppy reply and slightly inappropriate to boast his victory? Not the best answer, but hardly offensive.
I don't find it offensive, but it's revealing. He had no coherent answer for a question (a topic which has been brought up with him several times), so he responded by using a thoroughly unrelated fall-back response: yet again, boasting of election results, to a foreign journalist. Ultimately, he only vaguely addressed the question (which is not uncommon for most politicians when confronted with "unexpected" questions); he only spoke of "stopping crime" and seeing "lots of love".
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ScottFromWyoming
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Feb 16, 2017 - 7:10am |
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black321 wrote: honestly, what is the objection here...other than it was a sloppy reply and slightly inappropriate to boast his victory? Not the best answer Not actually an answer at all, but hardly offensive.
His team is failing to get him up to speed on the questions he's expected to deal with and all that blather was him saying "I have zero idea what you're talking about so I'm just gonna fill some time here."
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