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Posted: May 18, 2017 - 8:32am

 kurtster wrote:
To whom it may concern ...

Just this past hour, I was made aware of the facts that lie in two US Codes that would apply directly to former FBI Director Comey that:  

He is required by law to report any attempts of or actual obstruction of justice immediately to the DOJ and that failure to do so would result in the loss of his law license as well as jail time.

The event that everyone is foaming and frothing over, the alleged Comey memo stating just that, would now get Comey in as much or more trouble than Trump if true.  He failed to report obstruction of justice and therefore becomes complicit in same.

Now if in fact Comey wrote these kinds of memos on a regular basis, then we should also see what he wrote about regarding interactions with Obama.  

If indeed Comey did find there to be obstruction of justice regarding Trump, it is still officially unreported 3 months after the event took place.

Until I see the memo, I must say that all of those who think this is the smoking gun you've been drooling over to end your nightmare, the Trump presidency, you are being played, big time.  Or Trump is the one with the least amount of problems as this stuff moves forward.

There is indeed corruption going on somewhere, but your attentions are deliberately being diverted from where it is to be found.

Sleep well.  
 
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Posted: May 18, 2017 - 8:29am

 aflanigan wrote:

You've just done a wonderful job of providing the proof that you're desperately trying to deflect attention from Cheeto Jeesus above.

QED 

 
See below ... 
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Posted: May 18, 2017 - 8:28am

 sirdroseph wrote:
 ScottN wrote:

I don't agree that who we have as POTUS is "almost irrelevant". I  believe that the national (and international) problem and stress caused by the Trump presidency is real and acute. The concern, and hand-wringing, over the Trump soap opera is palpable.  The longer term issue of how we create a process to where 'decent person can get elected' is for another day.  Perhaps that issue can be addressed in how the nation deals with the Trump disaster. Perhaps not.

 

Trump is an asshole, I get it was never disillusioned to think otherwise. If the special investigator actually finds something that is an impeachable offense so be it, but quite frankly I see good and bad from his presidency particularly in foreign policy and is nowhere the disaster the sky is falling hype is making it out to be anymore than the Obama detractors kept proclaiming his administration was. Perhaps it is because I have no dog in this race other than my disdain for our political system, but I like seeing the institution squirm with the non partisan unpredictable volatility that Trump brings. If you are in the Middle East or Northern Africa you would take umbrage to your focused and precised anger towards Trump when you know that no matter who the President is you and your family will continue to be bombed.

 
Exactly.  I knew from the beginning he was and is an asshole.  Never claimed otherwise, either.  I wasn't looking to vote for the nicest person running.  That's never been a top consideration for me.  He just ticked more of my boxes.  Especially my foreign policy box.  And he has delivered so far.  He's trying to set up some kind of Arab state NATO thing.  Take the monkey off of our back and put it where it belongs.  

Otherwise with expectations so low, how can he surprise anyone at this point ?  He was predicted to be a failure at best and a disaster at worst.  With that in mind, you'd think that there would be a lot of helping hands being offered for the good of the country to help him out.  Instead, the opposite is happening.

I have no illusions on that because if Trump were to be a successful POTUS, he would implement so many things that his detractors are opposed to that it is their best interest to take him down in flames and do what ever it takes and are.  And the establishment repubs are just as dedicated to that end as are the dems.  

The die is cast.  If nothing else Trump is forcing everyone to put their cards on the table whether they know it or not.  

Now we have a special prosecutor.   Hopefully that sucks all the oxygen out of the room and quiets things down so we can get back to the business of running this country.  Ya, right ...

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Posted: May 18, 2017 - 7:45am

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I'm not running away from Trump.  You see that where ?  

And since you bring up Obama in the same breath, how about all of the defense of Obama's initial grappling with the problems at hand by saying over and over again for at least two years that, it takes a long time to turn an ocean liner around, give him time ...   that defending the smartest man to ever be POTUS, all you defenders kept saying as well.  Why golly gee whillickers, even with a Nobel Peace Price in his pocket, he still needed time to get going.

Incompetence and corruption ?  On the incompetence, see above about turning around ocean liners and then there is that shovel ready thing of Obama's.  Solyndra ...  Can't get much more incompetent than that.  $1 Trillion worth of incompetence.  This from candidate Obama who self proclaimed that he was the "best choice to lead on the economy".  The Red Line in Syria, Daesh is the JV team (and the last two were in his second term) ...   On the corruption, show me the proof, then I'll address it.  So far there is no proof of anything.  Just stories based on anonymous sources that have yet to be backed up with any kind of evidence other than hearsay.

But what ever the case, you have all the proof you need, based only upon bylines and mastheads.  And you act on that unverified proof and base all your points on it.

Like I said, show me the proof and then we'll have something to talk about ...

 
You've just done a wonderful job of providing the proof that you're desperately trying to deflect attention from Cheeto Jeesus above.

QED 
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Posted: May 18, 2017 - 4:06am

 ScottN wrote:

I don't agree that who we have as POTUS is "almost irrelevant". I  believe that the national (and international) problem and stress caused by the Trump presidency is real and acute. The concern, and hand-wringing, over the Trump soap opera is palpable.  The longer term issue of how we create a process to where 'decent person can get elected' is for another day.  Perhaps that issue can be addressed in how the nation deals with the Trump disaster. Perhaps not.

 





Trump is an asshole, I get it was never disillusioned to think otherwise. If the special investigator actually finds something that is an impeachable offense so be it, but quite frankly I see good and bad from his presidency particularly in foreign policy and is nowhere the disaster the sky is falling hype is making it out to be anymore than the Obama detractors kept proclaiming his administration was. Perhaps it is because I have no dog in this race other than my disdain for our political system, but I like seeing the institution squirm with the non partisan unpredictable volatility that Trump brings. If you are in the Middle East or Northern Africa you would take umbrage to your focused and precised anger towards Trump when you know that no matter who the President is you and your family will continue to be bombed.


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Posted: May 18, 2017 - 3:05am

 sirdroseph wrote:

I completely disagree, who is POTUS is almost irrelevant, miami has touched on something very important.  We need to get the process fixed to where it is possible for a decent person to get elected. Having said that, point below is taken, Americans are either ignorant or misguided at best and we probably would continue to elect the best con artist anyway even if the system were not rigged and we had a true choice.
 
I don't agree that who we have as POTUS is "almost irrelevant". I  believe that the national (and international) problem and stress caused by the Trump presidency is real and acute. The concern, and hand-wringing, over the Trump soap opera is palpable.  The longer term issue of how we create a process to where 'decent person can get elected' is for another day.  Perhaps that issue can be addressed in how the nation deals with the Trump disaster. Perhaps not.


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Posted: May 18, 2017 - 2:14am

 ScottN wrote:

You have the current debate on a far higher philosophical plane than is deserved, imo.

Simply focus on greed, and the pathologically narcissistic personality who currently serves as POTUS.

 
I completely disagree, who is POTUS is almost irrelevant, miami has touched on something very important.  We need to get the process fixed to where it is possible for a decent person to get elected. Having said that, point below is taken, Americans are either ignorant or misguided at best and we probably would continue to elect the best con artist anyway even if the system were not rigged and we had a true choice.


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Posted: May 17, 2017 - 7:14pm

 miamizsun wrote:

good luck

there will never be a president better than you

i'm serious

 

 miamizsun wrote:

i'm saying that i seriously doubt you'd sell your soul to the extent that presidents have (or have to)

you're on the hook with the military industrial complex, hoards of special interests and the expenses of the masses and worst of all, to banks/creditors 

....

What if every man and woman aspiring to the presidency has to sell his/her soul to varying degrees?  Politics is the art of compromise. It's also the art of appealing to conflicting groups in self-contradictory ways; I think you have to be a bit schizoid and adept at lying to yourself to pull that off well. Every president has had (and will have) to play the game as it exists at the time. Some great presidents have been able to change the rules of that game for the better but that's a rare feat. Few have exited politics without bitterness, regrets and scars. 

The American political system requires compromise and concessions to the powerful and rich. Instead of railing at men and women at the top who've tossed away their principles, shouldn't we be forcing a change of rules from the ground up? Ultimately, our politics will improve if the average American is more active and informed—but that's a lot to ask for. Trump got a lot of generally non-voting average Americans to vote for him, but they were poorly informed. We're now paying the price for their ignorance and gullibility. 


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Posted: May 17, 2017 - 4:58pm

he always did love the spotlight
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Posted: May 17, 2017 - 4:32pm

 miamizsun wrote:

i'm saying that i seriously doubt you'd sell your soul to the extent that presidents have (or have to)

you're on the hook with the military industrial complex, hoards of special interests and the expenses of the masses and worst of all, to banks/creditors 

would you give orders or allow the murder of innocent men, women and children?

or allow senseless war when you could stop it?

would you bury future generations under mountains of debt that they can never ever repay?

especially to finance the political greed, coercion and corruption?

it's the misdirection of humanity

i'd rather vote for you any day 

 
You have the current debate on a far higher philosophical plane than is deserved, imo.

Simply focus on greed, and the pathologically narcissistic personality who currently serves as POTUS.


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Posted: May 17, 2017 - 4:25pm

 miamizsun wrote:

i'm saying that i seriously doubt you'd sell your soul to the extent that presidents have (or have to)

you're on the hook with the military industrial complex, hoards of special interests and the expenses of the masses and worst of all, to banks/creditors 

would you give orders or allow the murder of innocent men, women and children?

or allow senseless war when you could stop it?

would you bury future generations under mountains of debt that they can never ever repay?

especially to finance the political greed, coercion and corruption?

it's the misdirection of humanity

i'd rather vote for you any day 

 
there's the rub
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Posted: May 17, 2017 - 4:15pm

 steeler wrote:

Well, admittedly, it is a low bar.  Are you saying they will always manage to limbo under it?   

 
i'm saying that i seriously doubt you'd sell your soul to the extent that presidents have (or have to)

you're on the hook with the military industrial complex, hoards of special interests and the expenses of the masses and worst of all, to banks/creditors 

would you give orders or allow the murder of innocent men, women and children?

or allow senseless war when you could stop it?

would you bury future generations under mountains of debt that they can never ever repay?

especially to finance the political greed, coercion and corruption?

it's the misdirection of humanity

i'd rather vote for you any day 
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Posted: May 17, 2017 - 4:00pm

 miamizsun wrote:

good luck

there will never be a president better than you

i'm serious

 
Well, admittedly, it is a low bar.  Are you saying they will always manage to limbo under it?  {#Lol} 


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Posted: May 17, 2017 - 3:56pm

 steeler wrote:

I have never understood those who vote for someone because he or she is "like me."  I don't want someone like me   I want someone better than me.  

 
good luck

there will never be a president better than you

i'm serious
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Posted: May 17, 2017 - 3:50pm

 VV wrote:

Beginners mistakes? No new wars and no market crash? Even if you dismiss all of the recent turmoil (I can't)... can you set the "acceptable/satisfactory" bar any lower? Given that criteria, I probably would make a better president than Trump... I would venture to say that you would as well. I have never thought that about any other prior president.
 
When I start to believe that I could do a better job... there is something seriously amiss in the White House.

 
I have never understood those who vote for someone because he or she is "like me."  I don't want someone like me  — I want someone better than me.  


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Posted: May 17, 2017 - 3:45pm

 kcar wrote:

Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department has appointed Robert S. Mueller III, the former F.B.I. director, to serve as a special counsel to oversee its investigation into Russian meddling in the election, Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein announced on Wednesday.

The appointment of Mr. Mueller dramatically raises the stakes for President Trump in the multiple investigations into his campaign’s ties to the Russians. It follows a swiftly moving series of developments that have roiled Washington, including Mr. Trump’s abrupt dismissal of the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, and the disclosure that the president urged Mr. Comey to drop the bureau’s investigation into his former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn.

...

While a special counsel would remain ultimately answerable to (Deputy AG Rod. J) Rosenstein — and by extension, the president — he would have greater autonomy to run an investigation than a United States attorney.



 
And, so it begins.. and, hopefully,  leads to an end of our national (international) nightmare sometime soon.

It is not the man's policies (does he really have guiding principles, much less "policies"? ); it is, for me, the mendacity, the ostentatious vulgarity that he shamelessly displays daily, that deeply offends me.

But, her emails!


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Posted: May 17, 2017 - 3:40pm


 House majority leader to colleagues in 2016: ‘I think Putin pays’ Trump


 A month before Donald Trump clinched the Republican nomination, one of his closest allies in Congress — House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy — made a politically explosive assertion in a private conversation on Capitol Hill with his fellow GOP leaders: that Trump could be the beneficiary of payments from Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016 exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a Californian Republican known in Congress as a fervent defender of Putin and Russia.

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthy’s assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.

Before the conversation, McCarthy and Ryan had emerged from separate talks at the U.S. Capitol with Ukrainian Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman, who had described a Kremlin tactic of financing populist politicians to undercut Eastern European democratic institutions.

...

Some of the lawmakers laughed at McCarthy’s comment. Then McCarthy quickly added: “Swear to God.”

Ryan instructed his Republican lieutenants to keep the conversation private, saying: “No leaks...This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

...



Evan McMullin, who in his role as policy director to the House Republican Conference participated in the June 15 conversation, said: “It’s true that Majority Leader McCarthy said that he thought candidate Trump was on the Kremlin’s payroll. Speaker Ryan was concerned about that leaking.”


...

Among GOP leaders in the House, McCarthy stood out as a Putin critic who in 2015 called for the imposition of “more severe” sanctions for its actions in eastern Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea.

In May 2016, McCarthy signed up to serve as a Trump delegate at the Republican National Convention, breaking ranks with Ryan who said he still wasn’t ready to endorse the candidate. McCarthy’s relationship with Trump became so close that the president would sometimes refer to him as “my Kevin.”



<Read the transcript of the conversation among GOP leaders obtained by The Post>


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Posted: May 17, 2017 - 3:13pm


Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department has appointed Robert S. Mueller III, the former F.B.I. director, to serve as a special counsel to oversee its investigation into Russian meddling in the election, Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein announced on Wednesday.

The appointment of Mr. Mueller dramatically raises the stakes for President Trump in the multiple investigations into his campaign’s ties to the Russians. It follows a swiftly moving series of developments that have roiled Washington, including Mr. Trump’s abrupt dismissal of the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, and the disclosure that the president urged Mr. Comey to drop the bureau’s investigation into his former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn.

...

While a special counsel would remain ultimately answerable to (Deputy AG Rod. J) Rosenstein — and by extension, the president — he would have greater autonomy to run an investigation than a United States attorney.


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Posted: May 17, 2017 - 3:08pm

 kurtster wrote:
 
Been down this road before with Nixon.  I voted for McGovern.  A lot of people had to eat some nasty crow over their support for Nixon.  Could be the same for me this time around.  We'll see.  So far other than beginners mistakes, I'm not concerned yet.  He hasn't started any new wars and the stock market hasn't crashed as was predicted.  So far so good.

 
Beginners mistakes? No new wars and no market crash? Even if you dismiss all of the recent turmoil (I can't)... can you set the "acceptable/satisfactory" bar any lower? Given that criteria, I probably would make a better president than Trump... I would venture to say that you would as well. I have never thought that about any other prior president.
 
When I start to believe that I could do a better job... there is something seriously amiss in the White House.
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Posted: May 17, 2017 - 2:27pm


Trump at the Coast Guard Academy

Trump at the Coast Guard Acad.

".....but enough about me..... what do you think of me?
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