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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 8:08pm

 kurtster wrote:

Ah, my brother of the Bell Curve !  (seriously, a compliment) the dman is back !

Maybe, but I think that Trump's statement was inclusive, not pandering.  He put the well educated on even footing with the less or "poorly" educated.  He didn't say I'm smarter than you and I know what's best for you, like all the other elites usually do, as in the concept of the nanny state.  He said, I love you !  One's level of education does not determine how smart you are or aren't.  Trump get's that.  He's building a broad based coalition that has room for everyone, regardless of what collar you wear, or education you have.  He's going for the whole curve, no one is excluded, all are equal.  That is what a real leader does.

This election is all about who can lead, and lead us away from K Street and Wall Street.  That is what will win.

 
Ask not for whom the Bell Curve tolls.

I have no disagreement at all that Trump is becoming a leader. But of what, and to where? Those are the significant questions.
Moreover the primary blame lies with the media for giving him airtime. He has never held office, never had real success, and has espoused no real plan for our nation. They should treat him like a fringe candidate and ignore him, but the story is so entertaining that they can't. But it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy: the TV says "lookit, EVERYone's voting for him!" and people wonder, "if not Hillary, whom can I vote for? Well, the TV is telling me that Trump is in the lead. I guess there's a reason..."

I read his tweets, and the blind angry support from others, mostly based on empty promises and threats - and it's so totally reminiscent of Hitler that it's a bit frightening. People come to power, decide to eliminate the ones that are causing all the problem, and gather the bullies as muscle.

Seriously, because I know we all have different ideas about where the nation should go. I think this is way past funny or interesting, and into the realm of dangerous. It took a while to end the Third Reich, but Americans should prevent it from taking hold in the States.



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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 8:03pm

 haresfur wrote:
I reckon people have been voting for change for so long now that voting for a little continuity would be a nice change. 
 
A nice saying, but really not applicable. In some ways our nation is a hell of a lot more stable than it was seven years ago.
(insert graphs and charts here> 
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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 7:05pm

 Steely_D wrote:

Well that's some pretty direct pandering. Of course, how're they gonna be offended? They'll just be complimented.

Remember the nation has a pretty big bottom of the Bell Curve. After two terms of an educated, even-tempered minority President - it's time for the other folks to run the nation.

 
Hit single: Fat Bottom Bell Curves

I reckon people have been voting for change for so long now that voting for a little continuity would be a nice change. 
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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 6:36pm

 Steely_D wrote:

Well that's some pretty direct pandering. Of course, how're they gonna be offended? They'll just be complimented.

Remember the nation has a pretty big bottom of the Bell Curve. After two terms of an educated, even-tempered minority President - it's time for the other folks to run the nation.

 
Ah, my brother of the Bell Curve !  (seriously, a compliment) the dman is back !

Maybe, but I think that Trump's statement was inclusive, not pandering.  He put the well educated on even footing with the less or "poorly" educated.  He didn't say I'm smarter than you and I know what's best for you, like all the other elites usually do, as in the concept of the nanny state.  He said, I love you !  One's level of education does not determine how smart you are or aren't.  Trump get's that.  He's building a broad based coalition that has room for everyone, regardless of what collar you wear, or education you have.  He's going for the whole curve, no one is excluded, all are equal.  That is what a real leader does.

This election is all about who can lead, and lead us away from K Street and Wall Street.  That is what will win.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 5:20pm

 JrzyTmata wrote:

you asked for a link. I gave it to you. I wasn't being dishonest.

 

Wasn't saying you were in any way, shape or form.  That was directed to those who previously posted the bogus quote.

You got me started so I could find the entire actual quote.  Searching the bogus quote got me everywhere but to the truth.

Thank you.

Sorry for any misunderstanding on my part.


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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 12:53pm

 kurtster wrote:

Yeah, but the whole quote says something much different ...

 

Once again, Donald Trump has made another statement that requires interpretation – but only for those who aren’t already supporters.

This time it’s clarification on his statement on celebrating the ‘poorly educated’ for his victory in Nevada’s Republican caucuses on Tuesday.

“We won with highly educated, we won with poorly educated! I love the poorly educated,” he said from his podium, flanked by two of his sons, Donald, Jr, and Eric Tump.

 
Let's keep it honest here, shall we ?

I guess the dragon works for Cruz .... 

 
you asked for a link. I gave it to you. I wasn't being dishonest.


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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 12:47pm

 JrzyTmata wrote:

the quote is "I love the poorly educated"
but it's not that hard to find.

 
Yeah, but the whole quote says something much different ...

 

Once again, Donald Trump has made another statement that requires interpretation – but only for those who aren’t already supporters.

This time it’s clarification on his statement on celebrating the ‘poorly educated’ for his victory in Nevada’s Republican caucuses on Tuesday.

“We won with highly educated, we won with poorly educated! I love the poorly educated,” he said from his podium, flanked by two of his sons, Donald, Jr, and Eric Tump.

 
Let's keep it honest here, shall we ?

I guess the dragon works for Cruz .... 

 





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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 12:44pm

has anyone coined the terms trumpophobic or winophobic?

are trumpophobia and winophobia mental illnesses yet?
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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 12:34pm

 R_P wrote:

When I watched the Buckley Jr. vs. Vidal documentary the other day I noticed people were already saying that in the late 60s.

 
I imagine so, especially in the late 1960s, but it seemed like it went away for a while...or at least wasn't as widely touted until after '08.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 12:30pm

 kurtster wrote:
 Red_Dragon wrote:
"I love the uneducated." ~ Trump


I have yet to find that exact quote by Trump any where.

Link please.

 
the quote is "I love the poorly educated"
but it's not that hard to find.


kurtster

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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 12:25pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
"I love the uneducated." ~ Trump


I have yet to find that exact quote by Trump any where.

Link please.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 12:23pm

 Proclivities wrote:
I get his point (and yours) about the anti-establishment response but it seems unlikely that most of those who supported Obama's "change" platform are now supporting Trump - Sanders would be the more probable choice for them.  I was referring to the "different" anger coming from the Tea Party or birthers, or others who go on about wanting to "take their country back", which was different from the anger or disenchantment in 2008.
 
When I watched the Buckley Jr. vs. Vidal documentary the other day I noticed people were already saying that in the late 60s.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 12:16pm

 sirdroseph wrote:

I don't think so.  I usually don't agree with Robert Reich, but I think he is spot on here and this has been building for some time:  

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/24/robert_reich_2016_is_the_beginning_of_the_end_of_the_establishment_partner/

 
I get his point (and yours) about the anti-establishment response but it seems unlikely that most of those who supported Obama's "change" platform are now supporting Trump - Sanders would be the more probable choice for them.  I was referring to the "different" anger coming from the Tea Party or birthers, or others who go on about wanting to "take their country back", which is coming from a different place than from the anger or disenchantment came from in 2008.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 12:11pm

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Appealing to fear usually does not end well.

I hear a lot of promises from Trump as to how everyone is going to be happy with whatever it is he will do, that it will be great, and that America will  be great again and seen as winning. winning, and winning.

I have not done the deep dive that Kurster has done, so maybe there are more specifics on some of these issues.

But let me just throw out one example:  We know he is going to build not just a wall on the U.S./Mexican border, but a "great wall."  Ok.  But he also has repeatedly stated that he will get Mexico to pay for that great wall.  Has he explained how that is going to happen?              

 

 
I would just like to say that there is a difference between fear and anger, a big difference.  While both are emotions, the responses to the two are different.  Fear cancels rational thinking.  While anger can do the same, it can also cause one to become focused and energized.

I take the bolded as a metaphor.  He will get it back in a reduced trade deficit and or with the tariffs he talks about.  It nets out the same.  Or he can threaten to take us out of NAFTA.  There are many ways to accomplish that.


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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 12:09pm

Mutual admiration society...

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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 12:01pm

 Proclivities wrote:

In general, i seems like many different people are pissed off now, for very different reasons.

 
I don't think so.  I usually don't agree with Robert Reich, but I think he is spot on here and this has been building for some time: 

 

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/24/robert_reich_2016_is_the_beginning_of_the_end_of_the_establishment_partner/


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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 11:51am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

...ha.   remember what the buzz was like around Obama in the last election. "Yes, we can!"
His whole platform was about change and people bought into because a whole lot of people were really pissed off then. A whole lot of people are still pissed off now...
 
In general, it seems like many different people are pissed off now, for very different reasons.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 11:47am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

ha.   remember what the buzz was like around Obama in the last election. "Yes, we can!"
His whole platform was about change and people bought into because a whole lot of people were really pissed off then. A whole lot of people are still pissed off now.

Trump is playing exactly the same cheap trick with a more gung-ho street attitude and, for exactly the same reasons.  I bet he wins the election. Which leaves us with a few basic scenarios:

1. Either he gets just as handbound by the entrenched power structures that make up Washington as just about every other president and in the end doesn't change a damn thing OR
2. he does manage to get some power which he abuses the office for cronyism and to fill his own pockets and is generally as uninterested in bringing about real change as anyone else who likes filling their pockets from an open till OR
3. he does become as rabid as his jingoist campaigning suggests and does a kind of Hitler thing in 1933 on us. Finds scapegoats, stirs up wars, keeps everyone's attention on other things
pours a shitload of money into the military and public spending (which he can't actually fund without invading somewhere) and all hell breaks loose.

At this stage I think the former is by far the more likely scenario. But I don't really want to be around if he makes good on his election promises. The saddest thing is that all the "little people" in favour of him now are just going to get shafted whatever the outcome. plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

 
I agree except for one key point, I don't think he is going to win.  Clinton will win and fulfill either 1 or 2 and possibly 3 regarding the military part anyway.  And the beat goes on.......


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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 11:45am

 Steely_D wrote:

Well that's some pretty direct pandering. Of course, how're they gonna be offended? They'll just be complimented.

Remember the nation has a pretty big bottom of the Bell Curve. After two terms of an educated, even-tempered minority President - it's time for the other folks to run the nation.

 
ha.   remember what the buzz was like around Obama in the last election. "Yes, we can!"
His whole platform was about change and people bought into because a whole lot of people were really pissed off then. A whole lot of people are still pissed off now.

Trump is playing exactly the same cheap trick with a more gung-ho street attitude and, for exactly the same reasons.  I bet he wins the election. Which leaves us with a few basic scenarios:

1. Either he gets just as handbound by the entrenched power structures that make up Washington as just about every other president and in the end doesn't change a damn thing OR
2. he does manage to get some power which he abuses the office for cronyism and to fill his own pockets and is generally as uninterested in bringing about real change as anyone else who likes filling their pockets from an open till OR
3. he does become as rabid as his jingoist campaigning suggests and does a kind of Hitler thing in 1933 on us. Finds scapegoats, stirs up wars, keeps everyone's attention on other things
pours a shitload of money into the military and public spending (which he can't actually fund without invading somewhere) and all hell breaks loose.

At this stage I think the former is by far the more likely scenario. But I don't really want to be around if he makes good on his election promises. The saddest thing is that all the "little people" in favour of him now are just going to get shafted whatever the outcome. plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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Posted: Feb 24, 2016 - 11:17am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
"I love the uneducated." ~ Trump

 
Well that's some pretty direct pandering. Of course, how're they gonna be offended? They'll just be complimented.

Remember the nation has a pretty big bottom of the Bell Curve. After two terms of an educated, even-tempered minority President - it's time for the other folks to run the nation.


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