Food
- Steely_D - May 5, 2024 - 11:51pm
Farts!
- RazzCat - May 5, 2024 - 10:03pm
Mixtape Culture Club
- Coaxial - May 5, 2024 - 6:33pm
What Did You See Today?
- KurtfromLaQuinta - May 5, 2024 - 5:28pm
What can you hear right now?
- KurtfromLaQuinta - May 5, 2024 - 5:27pm
Global Warming
- KurtfromLaQuinta - May 5, 2024 - 5:25pm
Trump
- R_P - May 5, 2024 - 5:16pm
May 2024 Photo Theme - Peaceful
- Antigone - May 5, 2024 - 5:06pm
USA! USA! USA!
- R_P - May 5, 2024 - 4:50pm
Bug Reports & Feature Requests
- thisbody - May 5, 2024 - 4:38pm
Israel
- thisbody - May 5, 2024 - 4:02pm
The Abortion Wars
- thisbody - May 5, 2024 - 3:27pm
Those Lovable Policemen
- R_P - May 5, 2024 - 3:12pm
The Obituary Page
- Red_Dragon - May 5, 2024 - 2:53pm
Joe Biden
- Steely_D - May 5, 2024 - 2:16pm
Radio Paradise Comments
- Bill_J - May 5, 2024 - 1:34pm
Ukraine
- thisbody - May 5, 2024 - 12:33pm
What Are You Going To Do Today?
- GeneP59 - May 5, 2024 - 12:07pm
NY Times Strands
- geoff_morphini - May 5, 2024 - 10:13am
NYTimes Connections
- geoff_morphini - May 5, 2024 - 10:07am
Wordle - daily game
- geoff_morphini - May 5, 2024 - 10:02am
volcano!
- geoff_morphini - May 5, 2024 - 9:55am
Song of the Day
- DaveInSaoMiguel - May 5, 2024 - 9:26am
Today in History
- DaveInSaoMiguel - May 5, 2024 - 7:42am
Tesla (motors, batteries, etc)
- miamizsun - May 5, 2024 - 6:16am
Russia
- NoEnzLefttoSplit - May 5, 2024 - 12:03am
Favorite Quotes
- Isabeau - May 4, 2024 - 5:21pm
Anti-War
- R_P - May 4, 2024 - 3:24pm
Iran
- Red_Dragon - May 4, 2024 - 12:03pm
Live Music
- oldviolin - May 4, 2024 - 11:18am
Other Medical Stuff
- kurtster - May 4, 2024 - 10:24am
SCOTUS
- Steely_D - May 4, 2024 - 8:04am
Dialing 1-800-Manbird
- oldviolin - May 3, 2024 - 4:51pm
The Dragons' Roost
- GeneP59 - May 3, 2024 - 3:53pm
Name My Band
- oldviolin - May 3, 2024 - 3:04pm
RightWingNutZ
- islander - May 3, 2024 - 11:55am
Photography Forum - Your Own Photos
- MrDill - May 3, 2024 - 11:41am
Poetry Forum
- oldviolin - May 3, 2024 - 9:46am
What the hell OV?
- oldviolin - May 3, 2024 - 9:36am
• • • The Once-a-Day • • •
- oldviolin - May 3, 2024 - 9:24am
Lyrics that strike a chord today...
- R_P - May 3, 2024 - 7:54am
Derplahoma!
- sunybuny - May 3, 2024 - 4:56am
Unquiet Minds - Mental Health Forum
- miamizsun - May 3, 2024 - 4:36am
What Makes You Laugh?
- miamizsun - May 3, 2024 - 4:31am
Main Mix Playlist
- R567 - May 3, 2024 - 12:06am
Who Killed The Electric Car??? -- The Movie
- KurtfromLaQuinta - May 2, 2024 - 9:51pm
If not RP, what are you listening to right now?
- oldviolin - May 2, 2024 - 5:56pm
What Makes You Sad?
- thisbody - May 2, 2024 - 3:35pm
songs that ROCK!
- thisbody - May 2, 2024 - 3:07pm
Breaking News
- thisbody - May 2, 2024 - 2:57pm
Questions.
- oldviolin - May 2, 2024 - 9:13am
And the good news is....
- Bill_J - May 1, 2024 - 6:30pm
Things you would be grating food for
- Manbird - May 1, 2024 - 3:58pm
Economix
- black321 - May 1, 2024 - 12:19pm
I Heart Huckabee - NOT!
- Manbird - Apr 30, 2024 - 7:49pm
Democratic Party
- R_P - Apr 30, 2024 - 4:01pm
Oh, The Stupidity
- haresfur - Apr 30, 2024 - 3:30pm
Talk Behind Their Backs Forum
- VV - Apr 30, 2024 - 1:46pm
Canada
- black321 - Apr 30, 2024 - 1:37pm
New Music
- ScottFromWyoming - Apr 29, 2024 - 11:36am
Upcoming concerts or shows you can't wait to see
- ScottFromWyoming - Apr 29, 2024 - 8:34am
Photos you haven't taken of yourself
- Antigone - Apr 29, 2024 - 5:03am
Britain
- R_P - Apr 28, 2024 - 10:47am
Birthday wishes
- GeneP59 - Apr 28, 2024 - 9:56am
Would you drive this car for dating with ur girl?
- KurtfromLaQuinta - Apr 27, 2024 - 9:53pm
Classical Music
- miamizsun - Apr 27, 2024 - 1:23pm
LeftWingNutZ
- Lazy8 - Apr 27, 2024 - 12:46pm
Things You Thought Today
- Red_Dragon - Apr 27, 2024 - 12:17pm
The Moon
- KurtfromLaQuinta - Apr 26, 2024 - 9:08pm
April 2024 Photo Theme - Happenstance
- fractalv - Apr 26, 2024 - 8:59pm
Musky Mythology
- Red_Dragon - Apr 26, 2024 - 7:23pm
Mini Meetups - Post Here!
- Red_Dragon - Apr 26, 2024 - 4:02pm
Australia has Disappeared
- Red_Dragon - Apr 26, 2024 - 2:41pm
Radio Paradise sounding better recently
- firefly6 - Apr 26, 2024 - 10:39am
Neil Young
- Steely_D - Apr 26, 2024 - 9:20am
|
Index »
Radio Paradise/General »
General Discussion »
Trump
|
Page: Previous 1, 2, 3 ... 711, 712, 713 ... 1146, 1147, 1148 Next |
kurtster
Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:
|
Posted:
May 9, 2018 - 7:30am |
|
Red_Dragon wrote:If a cure for cancer had been found on Obama's watch, Trump and the Republicans wouldn't let it be used. Their hatred has completely unhinged them.
Hatred, who has it ? I'm glad I got my cancer before Obama destroyed my primo employer paid health insurance coverage.with Obamacare.
|
|
Coaxial
Location: Comfortably numb in So Texas Gender:
|
Posted:
May 9, 2018 - 7:13am |
|
|
|
ScottFromWyoming
Location: Powell Gender:
|
Posted:
May 9, 2018 - 7:06am |
|
Beaker wrote: Since words that come out of Trump's mouth are only marginally less war-bonered than what Bolton spews and therefore I dismiss those quotes, I don't find much in that article that could be construed as supporting your position.
|
|
Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
|
Posted:
May 9, 2018 - 6:01am |
|
|
|
miamizsun
Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP) Gender:
|
Posted:
May 9, 2018 - 4:59am |
|
this i think touches on on some salient points and hopefully is (and should be) a teachable moment for those unaware of the systemic problems and unintended consequences the evolution and expansion of bureaucratic government power versus civil rights (another casualty mainly fueled by senseless wars and political fear) in five minutes or so you can understand the concept/methodology peace "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?" Donald Trump once said. He may be about to find out.
As Robert Mueller's investigation continues into possible collusion between the Trump administration and Russians seeking to influence the 2016 election, I've got some free legal advice for the president of the United States: Don't talk to this guy voluntarily and, if subpoenaed, take the Fifth like a dime-store mafioso without batting an eye. I write as a non-lawyer and as a non-fan, non-hater of Donald Trump. I write as someone who is seriously worried about the ways in which law enforcement routinely screws people not by catching them red-handed in a crime but by nailing them on things that are criminal-adjacent rather than the crime itself. I write as someone deeply concerned about factions within the government using largely uncontrollable powers to dispatch enemies. If there's one thing even more foolish than a lawyer who takes himself as a client, it's anyone who freely talks to law enforcement when they can avoid it (which Trump can). As defense attorney, former federal prosecutor, and influential legal blogger Ken White wrote recently at Reason: When the feds interview a subject or target, their goal is not mere information-gathering or fact-finding or "clearing a few things up." Their goal is the hunt....
The purpose of the "hunt" is to catch witnesses in a lie that may or may not really matter much to the larger issue at hand but will count enough to underwrite a conviction for, well, lying to law enforcement. That's what Trump associate George Papadopoulos got nailed for, and Michael Flynn too. Back in the day, that's what cost Martha Stewart her freedom (contrary to popular wisdom, her jail time had nothing to do with insider trading and more to do with defending herself in public). Once you've got someone on lying, obstructing justice, or anything else, you can then flip them to move up the pyramid to catch Mr. Big. Who in this case is Donald Trump. When special counsels or FBI agents ask questions of one of these powerful people, they are not fact-finding. They've already done their homework. They've already gathered facts—almost certainly many more facts than the interviewee knows. They are asking questions the answers to which they can already prove, hoping that the interviewee will tell a provable lie, and thus commit a crime, or at least lock themselves into a feckless story that ties their hands later. The law that makes it a crime to lie to federal investigators does not require the lie to fool the investigators for a nanosecond. A lie must be "material" to be criminal, but that only means that the lie is the kind of statement that could conceivably influence the government, not one that actually did. The FBI can roll up with irrefutable proof of something, ask the target a question hoping for a lie, collect the lie they wanted, and reap a felony conviction.
Recall too that in the end it was Bill Clinton's lying and attempts to circumvent legal prosecution that got him into his most serious legal (though not political) trouble. There's no way to play nice with federal investigators and Trump has more leverage than any other person in America to push back and not participate, at least not voluntarily.
|
|
Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
|
Posted:
May 9, 2018 - 4:44am |
|
If a cure for cancer had been found on Obama's watch, Trump and the Republicans wouldn't let it be used. Their hatred has completely unhinged them.
|
|
VV
Gender:
|
Posted:
May 9, 2018 - 3:36am |
|
Beaker wrote: Heads exploded? Good one
|
|
VV
Gender:
|
Posted:
May 9, 2018 - 3:20am |
|
kcar wrote: VV wrote:Seems that Trump is only good at exiting agreements... not entering into new ones. Entering new agreements takes work and negotiating skills that Trump doesn’t possess
I‘m anxious to see how the North Korea talks pan out but I’m not expecting much to come from it.
" I’m not expecting much to come from it."
You right not to expect much. Two days ago on this thread I posted an excerpt and link to this NYT piece on the near-impossibility of being able to verify that North Korea had gotten rid of its nuclear weapons. Verifying the End of a Nuclear North Korea ‘Could Make Iran Look Easy’While there is no question Iran hid much of its weapons-designing past, North Korea has concealed programs on a far larger scale and built an arsenal of 20 to 60 nuclear warheads — compared with none in Iran. In fact, the Iran inspections, the I.A.E.A. says, have gone on without a hitch in the past two years, though it is a far smaller, comparatively easier effort....Four years ago, the RAND Corporation, which often conducts studies for the Defense Department, estimated that finding and securing the North’s weapons of mass destruction if the nation fell apart — or into any situation in which it might be hostile to inspection — could require up to 273,000 troops. That is far more than the peak of the American occupying force in Iraq.... Everyone agrees that such a program of disarmament would involve the North’s surrendering its nuclear arms. But American intelligence agencies have vastly differing estimates of the size of the arsenal, be it the C.I.A.’s assessment of around 20 nuclear weapons or the Defense Intelligence Agency’s estimate of about 60. That means it is possible that inspectors would never know for sure if they had found everything. All this presupposes some form of disarmament agreement can be reached. I’m skeptical that it even that it gets that far.
|
|
R_P
Gender:
|
Posted:
May 9, 2018 - 2:05am |
|
|
|
R_P
Gender:
|
Posted:
May 9, 2018 - 1:40am |
|
Beaker wrote:
|
|
kurtster
Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:
|
Posted:
May 8, 2018 - 11:29pm |
|
Beaker wrote: Yeppers. Pretty much the way I see things. Hubris revenge is a dish best served cold ... . . Sidebar: Does Rosenstein even realize he is a co conspirator to Trump's alleged obstruction of justice over firing Comey ? What's even funnier is that by definition a POTUS cannot obstruct justice by simply firing someone. But everybody else can ...
|
|
Lazy8
Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana Gender:
|
Posted:
May 8, 2018 - 10:35pm |
|
kcar wrote:Spare me your lame advice. You are the LAST person on these boards to scold anyone about not reading or responding to others’ posts. “You seem intent on refuting something I never claimed: that the investigation into Trump's...everything is outside the scope of the law. It's not. My objection isn't that all this is illegal, but that it's well within the law.” I never implied that was your claim. You apparently believe that existing laws give the FBI too much power. You have repeatedly claimed that the FBI abuses its powers and implied that it acts without restraint or oversight. You have stated that the Mueller investigation is a prime example of such overreach. HERE is a strong sign of the limits of Mueller’s power: the story of federal judge TS Ellis voicing doubt about the motivations of federal prosecutors in pursuing a fraud case against Paul Manafort for actions that don’t seem related to Trump’s campaign and possible collusion with Russians. Manafort’s attorney Kevin Downey argued that the investigation into Manafort’s Ukrainian activities started years ago and that therefore special counsel Mueller should not be involved in that investigation. Ellis has the power to detach Mueller from that investigation if he agrees with Downey. Downey is trying to limit Mueller’s power over Manafort. Judge Ellis is listening to Downey and may grant his requests. Does that strike you as sign of Bob Mueller having unfettered power? No, it strikes me as completely beside the point. My main objection is to the tactic of interrogation gotcha, combined with offering leniency in one case to get the goods in another. And my objection isn't just in this case but to these tactics in general. This isn't some theoretical thing Mueller might do that he's being restrained from doing, he's already done it. You'll probably counter with yet another cut&paste screed about the Trump investigation; this will also be beside the point. I'd object to this tactic—where the investigation creates the crime that gets prosecuted—if they were applied to anybody. As far as Trump and his henchmen go, well...it couldn't happen to a better set of targets. But it shouldn't happen at all, to anyone. As VV has pointed out, you are conflating all sorts of cases together. I don’t think anyone on these boards with a shred of common sense is willing to wander into a conversation with you about the supposedly corrupt and impenetrable thicket of federal criminal law and federal agencies and how apparently Trump is doomed because the federal criminal law bureaucracy has a secret mission to take down Trump. Harvey Silverglate may believe that, but with all due respect to miamizsun, I think Harvey is a nutjob.
Steeler and I asked you to SPECIFY what about the Mueller investigation struck you as “heavy-handed” (that’s the term YOU used) or outside the law. You as usual failed to provide the details. Instead as VV stated, “You are casting your net wider than ever and are conflating the original premise which was that what Mueller is doing has parallels to what other normal unfortunate people are facing in the US on a frequent basis.” That is your MO. You fail to back up your claims with evidence and make ever-larger sweeping generalizations. So I went back and reviewed the thread. No, you and Steeler didn't ask me to SPECIFY anything, but I'll be happy to provide some examples. Rather than cut&paste them they'll be in links to try and keep the length of this post down. The list that miamiszun posted is also to the point. The Martha Stewart case is an obvious example; Comey brags about taking her down in his book. Contrary to popular perception she was never convicted of insider trading; her conviction was for conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and lying to investigators. The securities fraud case against her was thrown out. As serious as all this sounds it's pretty easy to get yourself in this kind of trouble, as the link a few paragraphs above demonstrates. That article has a somewhat lighthearted tone but the issue is deadly serious; here's a more somber presentation. It also has more examples. I guess I could dig up more but life is short and I've had too busy a week to put much more effort into arguing on the internet, and despite you making such an effort to make it a congenial exchange of views! And btw dismissing someone as a nutjob is an effective way of expressing contempt but doesn't count as an actual rebuttal. Honestly, it was a pleasure to rebut your unfounded claims of politicized cronyism during Obama’s bailout of the Big Three. You clearly had no idea what you were talking about, but just kept doubling down on wilder and stupider claims.
You make these sweeping claims and then pretend that a response to you was too long for you to read (boo f%#&in' hoo) or that your responders missed some big point you made (“Am I writing in Slovenian?”). Don’t blame others for your failure to articulate and support your claims: that’s YOUR failure. Over and over again. This is like the “Ask the Libertarian” thread all over again where you couldn’t answer even the most basic questions about libertarianism. So of course I went and checked, and I couldn't find any of these " basic questions about libertarianism." There was a lively (and until you chimed in) civil discussion of the concept of rights, but no questions. Maybe you could list those in that same topic and I'll try to answer them to your satisfaction, if such a thing is possible.
|
|
kurtster
Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:
|
Posted:
May 8, 2018 - 10:20pm |
|
R_P wrote:Le marais c'est moi
if you say so
|
|
R_P
Gender:
|
Posted:
May 8, 2018 - 9:00pm |
|
Le marais c'est moi
|
|
kcar
|
Posted:
May 8, 2018 - 8:09pm |
|
VV wrote:Seems that Trump is only good at exiting agreements... not entering into new ones. Entering new agreements takes work and negotiating skills that Trump doesn’t possess
I‘m anxious to see how the North Korea talks pan out but I’m not expecting much to come from it.
" I’m not expecting much to come from it."
You right not to expect much. Two days ago on this thread I posted an excerpt and link to this NYT piece on the near-impossibility of being able to verify that North Korea had gotten rid of its nuclear weapons. Verifying the End of a Nuclear North Korea ‘Could Make Iran Look Easy’While there is no question Iran hid much of its weapons-designing past, North Korea has concealed programs on a far larger scale and built an arsenal of 20 to 60 nuclear warheads — compared with none in Iran. In fact, the Iran inspections, the I.A.E.A. says, have gone on without a hitch in the past two years, though it is a far smaller, comparatively easier effort....Four years ago, the RAND Corporation, which often conducts studies for the Defense Department, estimated that finding and securing the North’s weapons of mass destruction if the nation fell apart — or into any situation in which it might be hostile to inspection — could require up to 273,000 troops. That is far more than the peak of the American occupying force in Iraq.... Everyone agrees that such a program of disarmament would involve the North’s surrendering its nuclear arms. But American intelligence agencies have vastly differing estimates of the size of the arsenal, be it the C.I.A.’s assessment of around 20 nuclear weapons or the Defense Intelligence Agency’s estimate of about 60. That means it is possible that inspectors would never know for sure if they had found everything.
|
|
spammer
Location: Bokey's Basement(he doesn't feed us)
|
Posted:
May 8, 2018 - 7:59pm |
|
VV wrote:Seems that Trump is only good at exiting agreements... not entering into new ones. Entering new agreements takes work and negotiating skills that Trump doesn’t possess
I‘m anxious to see how the North Korea talks pan out but I’m not expecting much to come from it.
He seems to be pretty good at getting the liberals to stop shitting on Veterans.
|
|
kurtster
Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:
|
Posted:
May 8, 2018 - 7:47pm |
|
ScottFromWyoming wrote: As you may have read below, Stormy and Russia are not necessarily separate. And you can go on and keep wishing for an active investigation to release evidence to the public before the investigation is complete. Happens every day in Mayberry.
Various committees in both houses of Congress have been wanting this stuff before Mueller ever entered the picture. What does hiding the "Scope" memo do to any investigation ? We now have two federal judges as well as several committees wanting it. There is no reason good enough for holding it back. Its the key to this whole flippin mess.
|
|
VV
Gender:
|
Posted:
May 8, 2018 - 7:42pm |
|
Seems that Trump is only good at exiting agreements... not entering into new ones. Entering new agreements takes work and negotiating skills that Trump doesn’t possess
I‘m anxious to see how the North Korea talks pan out but I’m not expecting much to come from it. He will walk in uninformed and unprepared because... when you are your own best council... it’s what you do. He will walk out without having accomplished anything and will be laying all the blame on the other side for the lack of results.
|
|
kcar
|
Posted:
May 8, 2018 - 7:38pm |
|
kurtster wrote:Am I the only one here who has a problem with the DOJ and FBI refusing to release documents pertinent to the 2016 Election and all that entails ?
I want Sessions and Rosenstein found in contempt of Congress and even better would be to impeach both of them. This is just plain nuts.
Or is all that matters Stormy Daniels ? Must be, because we aren't even talking about Russia anymore.
You want to talk about Russians? Here ya go! Michael Cohen did business with company linked to Russian oligarch, AT&TMichael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s longtime personal attorney, faced explosive claims about his business dealings on Tuesday, prompting AT&T and a company with ties to a Russian oligarch to acknowledge retaining him after the 2016 election.The companies disclosed the business relationships after lawyer Michael Avenatti claimed they made payments to Essential Consultants, a company he said was also used to make a hush-money payment to his client, porn actress Stormy Daniels, just weeks before the 2016 presidential election. In a seven-page document he distributed online, Avenatti claimed that the same Cohen bank account was involved in transactions totaling more than $4.4 million and made from October 2016 through January 2018. Those transactions included $200,000 from AT&T and some $500,000 in deposits from Columbus Nova, a company linked to Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg, who was sanctioned last month by the U.S. as punishment for Kremlin meddling in the U.S. election. The company on Tuesday said Vekselberg was not involved in the transactions. POLITICO could not independently confirm all of Avenatti’s allegations, but if they prove true, they could show links between the Daniels affair, which is under investigation by prosecutors in New York, and special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe of Russian meddling in the 2016 campaign. They also appear to show businesses seeking intelligence on how to operate under a Trump administration.
|
|
kcar
|
Posted:
May 8, 2018 - 7:27pm |
|
ScottFromWyoming wrote: As you may have read below, Stormy and Russia are not necessarily separate. And you can go on and keep wishing for an active investigation to release evidence to the public before the investigation is complete. Happens every day in Mayberry.
Yessiree! Andy releases all that information every day so he and Stormy's cousin can go...picknicking an' such.
|
|
|