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Lazy8 wrote: ScottFromWyoming wrote:It's all so convoluted, no one article can get all the factors straight. At least, I'm pretty sure the US government still has price supports on dairy. So US farmers can afford to produce more for less, which is unfair to Canadian dairy farmers, except they probably also get price supports... Dairy is a huge hairball. Even states within the US regulate trade in dairy products with a protectionist bent. My neighbors are dairy farmers and they're all trying to sell off their herds—dairies have become so productive that we don't need near as many as we have, and the interventions have masked the problem until the resulting shake-out will be pretty devastating. When you build dikes that doesn't stop the sea from rising, it just makes the water level higher when it finally floods. I wondered about that. Seems like there's a lot of "value-added" dairy happening, but maybe that's just the trend toward hipster food. I like that there are cheesemakers all over the place, but I also wondered whether the cost of entry was now low enough that anyone can give it a go.
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Jun 11, 2018 - 12:27pm |
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Steely_D wrote: That's the part that would ruin our international relationships: each President simply rejects the agreements made by the prior administration. That's not good negotiation skills; it's chaos. Absolutely rethink each agreement as they come up for discussion, but for goodness' sake don't just welsh on the extant contracts we have with other nations. That's wrong.
It is roughly equivalent to the concept of stare decisis in the judicial system. A court will be extremely circumspect when considering the reversal of a precedent. The system itself loses credibility if reversals of precedents were common.
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Lazy8
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Jun 11, 2018 - 12:25pm |
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black321 wrote:first comment...to the point he's trying to renegotiate. Though i agree where we need, to some extent, stick by past agreements, even if they were bad for the US. and last comment....i tend to agree, and dont like the tweets. Still, I think he has a point. Past agreements were negotiated in a context. We accepted high tariffs on one favored industry to get lower tariffs on another. That reflected the political realities of the time, not necessarily those of today, but there was give and take involved. It wasn't just weakness. If we don't keep our agreements why bother entering them with us? If there are aspects that don't make sense any more or are no longer politically acceptable then make it clear what parts you object to and bring it up in the context of renegotiating the treaty. But be aware that for everything you get you'll have to give up something. Nobody pisses off their constituents for free. When Trump was complaining about trade agreements or the Iran nuclear deal he railed against them as bad for America but never listed anything specific he objected to. My guess as to why was that he had no idea what was in those deals in the first place, but that's a guess. Maybe he's more knowledgeable than he looks. But he'd have to be a LOT more knowledgeable than he looks, because he looks (in the immortal words of Baxter Black) "dumber than boiled gravel."
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Steely_D
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Jun 11, 2018 - 11:54am |
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black321 wrote: first comment...to the point he's trying to renegotiate. Though i agree where we need, to some extent, stick by past agreements, even if they were bad for the US. and last comment....i tend to agree, and dont like the tweets. Still, I think he has a point.
That's the part that would ruin our international relationships: each President simply rejects the agreements made by the prior administration. That's not good negotiation skills; it's chaos. Absolutely rethink each agreement as they come up for discussion, but for goodness' sake don't just welsh on the extant contracts we have with other nations. That's wrong.
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R_P
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Jun 11, 2018 - 11:49am |
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black321 wrote:regardless, US aggregate trade imbalances arent due to tariffs, but cheap labor. I doubt there's a single factor that's responsible.
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Lazy8
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Jun 11, 2018 - 11:32am |
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ScottFromWyoming wrote:It's all so convoluted, no one article can get all the factors straight. At least, I'm pretty sure the US government still has price supports on dairy. So US farmers can afford to produce more for less, which is unfair to Canadian dairy farmers, except they probably also get price supports... Dairy is a huge hairball. Even states within the US regulate trade in dairy products with a protectionist bent. My neighbors are dairy farmers and they're all trying to sell off their herds—dairies have become so productive that we don't need near as many as we have, and the interventions have masked the problem until the resulting shake-out will be pretty devastating. When you build dikes that doesn't stop the sea from rising, it just makes the water level higher when it finally floods.
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black321
Location: An earth without maps Gender:
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Jun 11, 2018 - 11:32am |
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R_P wrote:Another rather basic fact is that the US has a population of ~327 million people, whereas Canada has around 35-36 million. That's one 'imbalance' that will necessarily be reflected in trade.
regardless, US aggregate trade imbalances arent due to tariffs, but cheap labor.
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R_P
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Jun 11, 2018 - 11:28am |
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Another rather basic fact is that the US has a population of ~327 million people, whereas Canada has around 35-36 million. That's one 'imbalance' that will necessarily be reflected in trade.
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black321
Location: An earth without maps Gender:
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Jun 11, 2018 - 11:25am |
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R_P wrote:Learn to respect, A, the sovereignty of other countries (i.e. the regulations they feel they need to protect their consumers, like hormones and milk) and B, the deals that were made in the past. Trump does neither. If you believe that past administrations were incapable of concluding deals that were beneficial or trade-offs for both parties, than Donnie has just the top-notch economic degree for you via his defunct university. If you want to deregulate a la Pruitt and ignore for example Climate agreements (because ultimately it's good/better for your business), go ahead, but don't expect (or worse yet, force) others to do the same. It amounts to bully tactics, nothing more, nothing less. And that's not new to Trump either, just more excessive. first comment...to the point he's trying to renegotiate. Though i agree where we need, to some extent, stick by past agreements, even if they were bad for the US. and last comment....i tend to agree, and dont like the tweets. Still, I think he has a point.
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ScottFromWyoming
Location: Powell Gender:
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Jun 11, 2018 - 11:22am |
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black321 wrote: It's all so convoluted, no one article can get all the factors straight. At least, I'm pretty sure the US government still has price supports on dairy. So US farmers can afford to produce more for less, which is unfair to Canadian dairy farmers, except they probably also get price supports...
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R_P
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Jun 11, 2018 - 11:20am |
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black321 wrote: Learn to respect, A, the sovereignty of other countries (i.e. the regulations they feel they need to protect their consumers, like on hormones and milk) and B, the deals that were made in the past. Trump does neither. If you believe that past administrations were incapable of concluding deals that were beneficial or trade-offs for both parties, than Donnie has just the top-notch economic degree for you via his defunct university. If you want to deregulate a la Pruitt and ignore for example Climate agreements (because ultimately it's good/better for your business), go ahead, but don't expect (or worse yet, force) others to do the same. It amounts to bully tactics, nothing more, nothing less. And that's not new to Trump either, just more excessive.
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black321
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aflanigan
Location: At Sea Gender:
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Jun 11, 2018 - 10:46am |
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Steely_D wrote: It's actually karmic punishment for the Toronto Maple Leafs having the audacity to get into the NHL playoffs for the third year in a row.
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pigtail
Location: Southern California Gender:
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Jun 11, 2018 - 10:25am |
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Steely_D wrote: I'll second that!!!
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Steely_D
Location: Biscayne Bay Gender:
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Jun 11, 2018 - 10:13am |
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pigtail
Location: Southern California Gender:
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steeler
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Jun 11, 2018 - 10:05am |
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ScottFromWyoming wrote:I assume someone can easily compile a similar firehose of bullshit for "right-leaning" news outlets, even without relying on Fox. But in all cases, it's the fault of the internet. If more than one reporter has access to the data or the interview etc., it's a race to be first. Having only a daily deadline for a morning paper seems quaint. Watched Spotlight yesterday, about the Boston Globe investigation of the Catholic church priests scandal. There was huge pressure from the reporters and competition to write the article when they had the priest. Then when they had the Cardinal. Sitting on the story, they might see it all evaporate or the competition break it, but they wanted to put it all together in one big feature. It wasn't that long ago, but the "publish now" voices would have won the day. They probably would have put each day's notes online without even going thru the editor until later. "Investigative Journalist who tries to give you information others don't want you to have." That is always a red flag — to me. I'm the one bringing you the news that others are trying to hide from you. The ol' "you won't read this anywhere but here" self-promotion.
One of her indictments of the media is the Detroit Free Press prematurely calling Michigan for Clinton, instead of Trump. Those, of course, are election night projections, and are understood as such. A mistake, sure. A big one. Hardly evidence of bias.
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ScottFromWyoming
Location: Powell Gender:
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Jun 11, 2018 - 8:52am |
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Beaker wrote: I assume someone can easily compile a similar firehose of bullshit for "right-leaning" news outlets, even without relying on Fox. But in all cases, it's the fault of the internet. If more than one reporter has access to the data or the interview etc., it's a race to be first. Having only a daily deadline for a morning paper seems quaint. Watched Spotlight yesterday, about the Boston Globe investigation of the Catholic church priests scandal. There was huge pressure from the reporters and competition to write the article when they had the priest. Then when they had the Cardinal. Sitting on the story, they might see it all evaporate or the competition break it, but they wanted to put it all together in one big feature. It wasn't that long ago, but the "publish now" voices would have won the day. They probably would have put each day's notes online without even going thru the editor until later.
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black321
Location: An earth without maps Gender:
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Jun 11, 2018 - 7:30am |
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Some good news? At least for the short-term. The tax cut (not reform) put the economy on steroids...just wait till your hair falls out, and your balls shrivel up (deficit/debt). Opinion: Trump economy is doing fine, to the chagrin of the dismal science
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