ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
Perhaps they'll add themselves to the growing pile of lawsuits against the miserable sack of shit.

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 

 R_P wrote: 
IANAL but since the restaurant did not make this whole event public, it seems like Trump might have slandered the Red Hen.

 steeler wrote: 
Yes I do know that and have elaborated since.

Re: your edit ...   I have pretty much limited my commenting to just the few issues out of so many raised here that I have a particularly strong opinion on or what I think is a defensible position.  I would be exhausted if I responded to every little thing brought up about Trump.  So it's no domino theory.  It may appear to you that way but that is not the case.  Its just me trying to pick my battles.  

 steeler wrote: 
Nailed it.

 Red_Dragon wrote:

 cc_rider wrote: 
Yeah, I'm interested to hear how dedicated, 'Merican bikers feel about this.

Harley Davidson is moving some manufacturing offshore to avoid EU tariffs. Shocked.
c.

 spammer wrote: 
So many people here gave you so much support, slack, advice, guidance, defense, time and energy when you were having a genuinely hard time in your life.  When you finally used up your rope, you were still given more. When you finally took so much that there was none left, you lashed out at everyone who had given you so much. You never apologized, or even looked back. Your new manifestation doesn't seemed to have learned anything, and is indeed just as dark as the last one. And yet you think people will rush to your defense on some random proclamation? 

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
I see it as a lot of uproar over much of nothing. Sarah Sanders who serves as Trump's personal mouthpiece for his never-ending regurgitation of lies and support of divisive policies ripping at the fabric of this country doesn't get served at a restaurant because the owner chooses to make a personal statement about that? Bravo, to the owner for standing up to the nonsense that is the Trump presidency and to those that (by choice) enable it. It is a far braver decision for the owner to do that than to turn a blind eye to it and serve Sanders against their personal conviction. Frankly, I'm surprised that it has taken this long for something like this to happen.
 
Next time Sarah, order take-out... under your husband's name if you are worried about getting served. Otherwise... you made your bed...

No shirt, no shoes, no conscience... no service.

Thanks Donnie!

 haresfur wrote: 
There are quite a few people trying to sort out whether Sarah Sanders was mistreated, and how it jibes with the gay cake people. I chose this guy's explanation, even tho it's a Twitter feed, which I usually find to be a barrier to the actual transfer of information so for that I apologize:
 

There is no jurisdiction anywhere in the US where "being Sarah Sanders" is a protected class in discrimination law.

 spammer wrote: 

 kurtster wrote: 
I've talked to my parents about the state of the country many times. Both feel that the turmoil and division in the country was far worse during the 60s. If you want to bridge divisions in this country, you have to find common ground with groups you perceive as your opponents. 

I think this country has slowly been crystallizing since Reagan into two separate camps. I'm biased about this, so I'll put my cards on the table. I think that the Republican party and FOX, which has turned into a stop on the cycle of Republicans entering and leaving government, have successfully misled groups of Americans who feel economically and politically marginalized. The GOP has painted Democrats as tax-and-spend liberals who sneer at the average American, cater to special interest groups, have no patriotism, and are willing to let external forces control the United States. The Democratic party views the GOP as corrupt, ruled by the 1%, and eager to take entitlements from average Americans to line the pockets of the rich. 

The "Can you believe what Trump did!?!?" and "Not my President" articles/posts/comments we're seeing are the flip side of the vitriol that Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Alex Jones have been transmitting for years. I can remember all the anger and hatred vented at "liberals" during and shortly after the Iraqi War. Trump is just the accelerant added to this fire. The left in this country wasn't as angry and militant and confrontational before Trump. Most Americans got in line behind GHW Bush and Bush II when we went to war. The left spoke out against both men as patriotism got abused and the economy soured, but the rest of the country was moving in that direction at the same time. Trump to me is the logical conclusion of the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the GOP, a party that really is only a collection of free agents completely unwilling to work within the federal government to make lives easier for average Americans. People against Trump see him as the agent and primary driver of the slow destruction of decency, equality, opportunity and responsibility in this country. 

People for Trump believe AFAICT that the destruction of America started long before Trump took office and blame liberal elites who sold the country out. Trump is railing against the way the same sort of destruction that the Left blames on Trump and Co. Personally, I think that he's ripping his supporters off even as he claims to be helping them. 

Both the left and right can talk to or at each other about how the opposition is destroying America. That's what a lot of us have done when posting about Trump. That's why I keep posting articles that discuss how Trump's promises are not being kept or how he's enriching the 1%. That's why AFAICT kurtster keeps posting about the damage illegal immigration is supposedly causing or how Trump's tariffs are going to revive parts of the economy that the Democrats let slip away. 

OR 

Both sides can try to find common ground in general terms—an economy that provides opportunity for advancement and widespread prosperity, an efficient and responsive government not beholden to corporations or special interests, a limit on our involvement in overseas conflicts—and then start talking about ways to reach those points of common ground. 

Trump isn't going to destroy America but I would like to see the GOP assert its independence from him. It's not an accident that the "Republican Party" thread on this forum has withered away: when was the last time you heard from John McCain or Mitch McConnell or Paul Ryan? The President at any time, Democrat or Republican, should have to work within the framework and interests of his/her own party. The President should never be a king. 

Finally, what disturbs me and what I think should be obvious to Trump supporters is that Trump is very disorganized. He shoots from the hip and quite frankly is incredibly lazy. He does not take responsibility and likes to blame others when the sledding gets hard. He is not well prepared for major issues and crises. Trump had a major summit with Kim Jong Un but failed to get any concessions from NK in writing or in commitment because as he stated he was only there for a day or two and had to fly back to the States. That should be a Jumbotron sign with air-raid sirens for EVERY American voter that this guy doesn't know what he's doing. And the whole belief that he's going to revive parts of the US economy through tariffs is based on massive ignorance about how our economy works. 

 kurtster wrote: 

 R_P wrote: 
I don't see this as trivial either.  I agree that these things are symptoms of something malignant that is growing.  It's also a two way street.  Both sides will start doing it because one side has succeeded in getting away with it.  The end of civility in places that were once exempt from mob actions.  Somebody is going to get hurt and some innocent bystander more than likely before the intended target does.

Perhaps the worst consequence is that this will surely make more good people think twice before deciding to enter into public service.  Something that has never been in shorter supply than now.  Who is going to want to serve in our government knowing that this is the kind of treatment they can expect ?

Can we look forward to seeing signs that say no republicans or no democrats or ... , just like we used to see no colored people signs ?  I'm old enough to have personally seen those in my travels through the South in the 60's.  And those signs were in plain sight, not hidden in the slightest.

Based upon many of the reactions I have seen so far, it is perfectly ok to publicly discriminate on the basis of political affiliation now with the inference that we always have.  That we no longer have to get along with each other.  Sad.  Glad I'm old and not bringing children into this world.

 R_P wrote: 


I would be interested to hear what Steely_D would say about this. I think it was Steely_D who commented something to the effect that we should stop fixating on the spectacle of Trump/his administration and focus on more substantive stuff. IIRC I posted that the Democratic party has to start offering positive policy alternatives to Trump: you can't campaign just on the platform of "my opponent is incompetent/evil/bent on giving America away to his(her) base" etc. 

I've forgotten: what did SHS tweet? I see your point about her visible position as WH spokesperson and the public-facing persona she has but to me she's the last person in the line for the game of "crack the whip." She has to contort and gyrate and dance along to whatever Trump says, regardless of how confused and contradictory it is. 

spammer wrote:  Jun 18, 2018 - 9:10pm 
   

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 spammer wrote: Jun 24, 2018 - 10:28am
  

spammer wrote:  Jun 24, 2018 - 7:55pm 


Wow, spammer: please get a life. You've been chewing on this for what, 6-7 days?

You might also want to limit the number of people who post under your username. How you neglected to mention the charitable work you've done for "children of some illegal immigrants" when you first replied to me...well, that is puzzling. BHD might believe you about the scholarship you say you helped create, btw, but I'm afraid I don't. Such a shame. 

I did not know I was spewing random hatred. I did not know that.     You must tell me: do you regard illegal immigrants who bring their kids to the American border as POS? 'Cause R_P and I sure took it that way back on June 18. 


"I see right through you."


I am concerned now. Are you sure it wasn't something you ingested? Go ask Alice...   

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