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NUNES: FBI FAILED TO INCLUDE ‘EXCULPATORY’ EVIDENCE IN CARTER PAGE FISASHouse Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes claimed Monday that the FBI and Justice Department failed to include exculpatory evidence in surveillance warrant applications against former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page....Nunes also told Hannity that the committee is interested in learning more about Justice Department official Bruce Ohr’s role in the Trump-Russia investigation. Ohr, the former associate deputy attorney general, met with Steele before and after the 2016 presidential election. The post-election meetings were held after the FBI ended its relationship with Steele because of the former British spy’s contacts with the media. As Nunes noted, though the FBI severed ties with Steele, Ohr provided information from his 12 meetings with Steele back to the FBI. Ohr’s wife, Nellie Ohr, also worked during the campaign for Fusion GPS, the opposition research firm that hired Steele in June 2016. “Bruce Ohr is going to become more and more important in this investigation, and I think people should pay close attention to it,” Nunes told Hannity. The news about Ohr is very old. Its been out for over a year now. And been downplayed in this thread repeatedly. Yeah, but still no good reasons for a second special counsel to investigate the investigators ... Uh huh ...
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Red_Dragon
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Aug 7, 2018 - 3:39pm |
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Aug 7, 2018 - 3:37pm |
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Steely_D wrote:Or is he so complex, so ahead of you that you just don't understand how he's taking down the Deep State and making everything OK for the little guy? QAnon! It was Pence all along! Or even...this:
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Steely_D
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Aug 7, 2018 - 3:07pm |
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VV wrote: Hypocrisy at it's finest!
Or is he so complex, so ahead of you that you just don't understand how he's taking down the Deep State and making everything OK for the little guy?
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Aug 7, 2018 - 3:05pm |
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kcar
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Aug 7, 2018 - 1:16pm |
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VV wrote: What does that make Clinton then? Wait... I think I found it:
St Raphael is the patron saint for happy encounters...
"Happy encounters"...sounds like code for a massage parlor service...
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Aug 7, 2018 - 11:35am |
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steeler wrote: Now, now, Trump is God's imperfect messenger.
What does that make Clinton then? Wait... I think I found it: St Raphael is the patron saint for happy encounters...
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steeler
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Aug 7, 2018 - 11:34am |
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VV wrote: Now, now, Trump is God's imperfect messenger.
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Aug 7, 2018 - 11:31am |
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Hypocrisy at it's finest!
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Aug 7, 2018 - 11:29am |
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islander wrote: The smoke is just getting started.
Ha, likely so.
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islander
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Aug 7, 2018 - 11:27am |
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steeler wrote: Thanks.
I did not grasp it at first!
The smoke has now cleared.
The smoke is just getting started.
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steeler
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Aug 7, 2018 - 11:17am |
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VV wrote: So you want a 2nd special counsel convened to review and rubber stamp (not the findings of the first counsel) but that Muller's investigation was conducted "sufficiently"? Since it seems rather unlikely that this will happen, it looks like the smoke has finally cleared and you have answered Steeler's question with the response being that you will likely not accept any of Muller's findings.
Thanks. I did not grasp it at first! The smoke has now cleared.
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steeler
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Aug 7, 2018 - 11:12am |
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kurtster wrote: Well another special counsel as has been requested by many members of Congress would satisfy my concerns. I see enough justification for it as I have already mentioned.
Really? So, if Mueller is replaced your concerns about the FISA warrants/dossier, the FBI agents who exchanged anti-Trump emails, the Michael Cohen investigation in the SDNY, the squeezing of Manafort, Gates, Flynn, etc ,, the complaints about Rosenstein, the Comey decisions regarding the prosecution of Hillary, the meeting between Bill and the AG on the airport tarmac, the "missing" DNC server, will all be rendered moot in your mind once Mueller is gone? Mueller himself is the problem? If so, I renew my earlier comments about Mueller's reputation for integrity. Perhaps, as you say, it all was a facade. EDIT: Ah, I see VV's post below shows that I misinterpreted what you meant. You want a special counsel to investigate the special counsel. Well, that certainly will speed things up . . .
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Aug 7, 2018 - 11:08am |
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kurtster wrote: Well another special counsel as has been requested by many members of Congress would satisfy my concerns. I see enough justification for it as I have already mentioned.
So you want a 2nd special counsel convened to review and rubber stamp (not the findings of the first counsel) but that Muller's investigation was conducted "sufficiently"? Since it seems rather unlikely that this will happen, it looks like the smoke has finally cleared and you have answered Steeler's question with the response being that you will likely not accept any of Mueller's findings.
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kurtster
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Aug 7, 2018 - 10:13am |
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steeler wrote: Ok,, the topic is the integrity of the investigation. I will repeat the questionsI asked in my previous post:
" There are just too many questions circling the investigators themselves." That is just one of your statements here today. Yet I am to believe your claim that you have not pre-judged the investigation before the issuance of its findings? How would any of your numerous questions regarding the integrity of the investigation be resolved before the findings are issued so that you could accept those findings?
Well another special counsel as has been requested by many members of Congress would satisfy my concerns. I see enough justification for it as I have already mentioned.
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steeler
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Aug 7, 2018 - 8:21am |
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kurtster wrote: We already know that Trump is facing peril regarding his honesty. The whole investigation centers around Trump and his honesty / actions. That is what is being questioned in the first place. So why bring that back up when the current topic, or the one I'm trying to talk about is the integrity of the prosecution. That Trump is on trial does not preclude questioning the integrity of the investigators. But you seem to act as if the investigators are above reproach and their integrity must not be questioned. I disagree and have stated the basis for my concerns.. Everybody needs to be scrutinized. That is my point which you refuse to see or allow.
Manafort is no sweetheart. Your question about is prosecuting Manafort unfair to Trump is ludicrous. What on earth do you mean ?
Manafort is a sleazy political operative who got thrown overboard by Trump as soon as questions surrounding his involvement in Ukrainian politics came to light. My understanding is that most, not all, but most of what he is facing trial over was already litigated 10 years ago. Now is round two. I'm not saying he is innocent of his current charges, just questioning the motives surrounding his current prosecution. I do have confidence in the presiding judge and that this will be a fair trial. Do you believe the same ?
Ok,, the topic is the integrity of the investigation. I will repeat the questionsI asked in my previous post: " There are just too many questions circling the investigators themselves." That is just one of your statements here today. Yet I am to believe your claim that you have not pre-judged the investigation before the issuance of its findings? How would any of your numerous questions regarding the integrity of the investigation be resolved before the findings are issued so that you could accept those findings?
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islander
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Aug 7, 2018 - 6:48am |
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kurtster wrote: My understanding is that most, not all, but most of what he is facing trial over was already litigated 10 years ago. Now is round two.
Where does this assertion come from? Where was this prior litigation? If this is true, shouldn't it have been a red flag for Trump when he made Manafort the chairman of his campaign? Here is the indictment itself, direct from the source: https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download It does include crimes from 2006, but I see no indication that they were previously litigated. It also includes crimes in 2017. If you need a specific reference, go to page 17 and you'll find 24. To conceal the scheme, MANAFORT and GATES developed a false and misleading cover story that would distance themselves and the Government of Ukraine, Yanukovych, and the Party of Regions from the Centre, Company A, and Company B. For instance, in the wake of extensive press reports on MANAFORT and his connections with Ukraine, on August 16, 2016, GATES communicated false talking points to Company Bin writing,
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Aug 7, 2018 - 4:48am |
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kurtster
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Aug 7, 2018 - 4:37am |
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steeler wrote: You are chastising me for not staying on topic? That's rich. By asking about Trump's honesty as compared to that of Comey or Mueller, I was trying to gain some understanding as to how you make those assessments on an individual basis. You have questions as to Comey's honesty based on his actions and words, but not necessarily about Trump's honesty based on his actions and words? Or is it more that you care about dishonesty in the case of Comey but not in the case of Trump?
" There are just too many questions circling the investigators themselves." That is just one of your statements here today. Yet I am to believe your claim that you have not pre-judged the investigation before the issuance of its findings? How would any of your numerous questions regarding the integrity of the investigation be resolved before the findings are issued so that you could accept those findings?
You seem to have big problems with Manafort being prosecuted for many counts involving tax evasion, money laundering, mail fraud, etc, because Mueller may also be trying to flip him against Trump. Do you think Manafort is innocent?
That he should not be prosecuted for these serious criminal offenses because doing so is unfair to Trump?
Gates already has conceded his guilt. Leveraging plea deals is part of the criminal justice system. You seem to believe that the prosecution of Manafort is just political. Again, these are serious charges. his innocence or guilt will be determined in a court of law, after trial. You seem to believe in the presiding judge. Are you willing to accept the verdict if Manafort is found guilty? That Manafort's crimes — assuming they are found to be crimes — came to light as the result of Mueller's investigation does not render them political.
We already know that Trump is facing peril regarding his honesty. The whole investigation centers around Trump and his honesty / actions. That is what is being questioned in the first place. So why bring that back up when the current topic, or the one I'm trying to talk about is the integrity of the prosecution. That Trump is on trial does not preclude questioning the integrity of the investigators. But you seem to act as if the investigators are above reproach and their integrity must not be questioned. I disagree and have stated the basis for my concerns.. Everybody needs to be scrutinized. That is my point which you refuse to see or allow. Manafort is no sweetheart. Your question about is prosecuting Manafort unfair to Trump is ludicrous. What on earth do you mean ? Manafort is a sleazy political operative who got thrown overboard by Trump as soon as questions surrounding his involvement in Ukrainian politics came to light. My understanding is that most, not all, but most of what he is facing trial over was already litigated 10 years ago. Now is round two. I'm not saying he is innocent of his current charges, just questioning the motives surrounding his current prosecution. I do have confidence in the presiding judge and that this will be a fair trial. Do you believe the same ?
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VV
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Aug 7, 2018 - 3:30am |
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