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Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 1:58pm

 steeler wrote:

Oh, come on, kurtster. The choice at election time between Trump and Hillary may have forced one's hand at that time to reluctantly vote for Trump as the lesser of 2 evils, but it would not explain why one continues to steadfastly support Trump now — unless the one in question either believes in Trump or believes that the Hillary forces are unfairly setting him up and knocking him down. As you say, the impeachment or resignation of Trump — if it were to come to either — would not result in Hillary's taking over as President, so the whole premise makes no sense.  Reversing one's opinion of Trump does not mean one has to reverse his or her opinion on Hillary.  This has nothing to do with Hillary.  It is Trump who has continually characterized opposition and criticism of him and his administration as being driven by those who are unwilling to accept the results of the 2016 election (or, alternatively, those who are members of The Establishment or the Deep State).  And most of his supporters seem to believe that. This, of course, is hogwash, and so are his characterizations of the Mueller investigation as being a witch hunt.            

Here on this forum, you have been consistent in your largely unqualified support for Trump — based on what he has done and is doing as President.  You have said repeatedly that he is doing well on the issues that matter to you, and, because of that, you are willing to overlook any of the negatives (the ones that you agree are negatives).                

 
I just love how all those who oppose Trump can also claim to have insight into the minds and thinking of those who support Trump and ignore or totally discount what someone who actually supports Trump says.  Just boggles the mind.  My thinking doesn't have to make sense to you.  It has to make sense to me or someone else who supports Trump or I'm in trouble.  So continue to speculate about something you consider incomprehensible in the first place.  I at least get how the thinking goes that Trump is not the legitimate POTUS even though I disagree with that conclusion.  Y'all find it beyond belief that anyone other than a racist, misogynist or bigot would still support Trump at this point.  I am none of those yet have been called all of them and more here repeatedly.  So I must then be a dummy.  And the people saying those things sincerely believe it.  Is what it is.

This is where a Trump supporter would remind themselves of what the choices were at the beginning of this and say that yes, it is still a good choice given the alternative.  And yes Trump has been doing well on the things that matter to me.  I'm not giving up on Trump yet.  It ain't over until it is over.  I'm also looking at how things are stacking up here in the short term as well.  Again, even though the predominant perception of Trump supporters is blind stupidity and worse as mentioned above, I'm not going to ignore the winds that are blowing around.  There is now more uncertainty than certainty.  I still believe that Trump is being framed.  You still believe the Deep State is a fantasy.  That has not changed.  And what ever is going on, it sure beats having Hillary as POTUS.  If the predominant thinking here is that Trump belongs in prison, well then I believe that Hillary should at least have an adjoining cell given all that she has done.  But I am certainly the only here who believes that at any level.


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Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 1:42pm

 steeler wrote:

Oh, come on, kurtster. The choice at election time between Trump and Hillary may have forced one's hand at that time to reluctantly vote for Trump as the lesser of 2 evils, but it would not explain why one continues to steadfastly support Trump now — unless the one in question either believes in Trump or believes that the Hillary forces are unfairly setting him up and knocking him down. As you say, the impeachment or resignation of Trump — if it were to come to either — would not result in Hillary's taking over as President, so the whole premise makes no sense.  Reversing one's opinion of Trump does not mean one has to reverse his or her opinion on Hillary.  This has nothing to do with Hillary.  It is Trump who has continually characterized opposition and criticism of him and his administration as being driven by those who are unwilling to accept the results of the 2016 election (or, alternatively, those who are members of The Establishment or the Deep State).  And most of his supporters seem to believe that. This, of course, is hogwash, and so are his characterizations of the Mueller investigation as being a witch hunt.            

Here on this forum, you have been consistent in your largely unqualified support for Trump — based on what he has done and is doing as President.  You have said repeatedly that he is doing well on the issues that matter to you, and, because of that, you are willing to overlook any of the negatives (the ones that you agree are negatives).                

 

Bingo. Bottom line... who is the bigger dummy? Is it the dummy doing the poor job or the dummy that continues to support him in doing that poor job?

If I hired a contactor to put an addition on my house and months later he wasn't done and what he did do wasn't close to being right... I'm sure as hell not going to give him additional time to finish while crossing my fingers to pray that he doesn't f*ck anything else up.

 




pigtail

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Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 1:10pm

 Prodigal_SOB wrote:



 
{#Lol}  You could make a crap load selling those!
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Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 12:12pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 

ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 12:05pm


steeler

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Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 11:48am

 kurtster wrote:

It's not so much that people believe him.  It's more that Hillary would have been worse and that was the choice.

While many people think that Hillary was the right choice, just as many think that she was the wrong choice and still do, especially in the light of all the revelations of the past year or so.

So here we are.  Trump's fate is in Mueller's hands.  One side is rooting for Mueller and the other side is rooting for Trump.  And we have the midterms.  If you want to impeach Trump, you have to accept Pelosi, Waters and Schumer as your leaders.  And wide open borders, much higher taxes and the restrangulation of business with a highly likely recession in short order.  Oh, and Prezident Pence ... you still won't have Hillary.  You'll have to wait until 2020 for that.

Maybe not the answer you were expecting, but it's my answer to your question.

 
Oh, come on, kurtster. The choice at election time between Trump and Hillary may have forced one's hand at that time to reluctantly vote for Trump as the lesser of 2 evils, but it would not explain why one continues to steadfastly support Trump now — unless the one in question either believes in Trump or believes that the Hillary forces are unfairly setting him up and knocking him down. As you say, the impeachment or resignation of Trump — if it were to come to either — would not result in Hillary's taking over as President, so the whole premise makes no sense.  Reversing one's opinion of Trump does not mean one has to reverse his or her opinion on Hillary.  This has nothing to do with Hillary.  It is Trump who has continually characterized opposition and criticism of him and his administration as being driven by those who are unwilling to accept the results of the 2016 election (or, alternatively, those who are members of The Establishment or the Deep State).  And most of his supporters seem to believe that. This, of course, is hogwash, and so are his characterizations of the Mueller investigation as being a witch hunt.            

Here on this forum, you have been consistent in your largely unqualified support for Trump — based on what he has done and is doing as President.  You have said repeatedly that he is doing well on the issues that matter to you, and, because of that, you are willing to overlook any of the negatives (the ones that you agree are negatives).                


Red_Dragon

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Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 11:22am

 Steely_D wrote:

Actually, "whataboutHillary!?!" is the answer we would expect.

 
Hillary isn't Hillary
hayduke2

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Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 11:07am

The President Is a Crook

ttps://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/the-president-is-a-crook/568123/
 The President Is a Crook 
Steely_D

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Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 10:57am

 kurtster wrote:

It's not so much that people believe him.  It's more that Hillary would have been worse and that was the choice.

While many people think that Hillary was the right choice, just as many think that she was the wrong choice and still do, especially in the light of all the revelations of the past year or so.

So here we are.  Trump's fate is in Mueller's hands.  One side is rooting for Mueller and the other side is rooting for Trump.  And we have the midterms.  If you want to impeach Trump, you have to accept Pelosi, Waters and Schumer as your leaders.  And wide open borders, much higher taxes and the restrangulation of business with a highly likely recession in short order.  Oh, and Prezident Pence ... you still won't have Hillary.  You'll have to wait until 2020 for that.

Maybe not the answer you were expecting, but it's my answer to your question.

 
Actually, "whataboutHillary!?!" is the answer we would expect.
pigtail

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Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 10:41am

 kurtster wrote:

It's not so much that people believe him.  It's more that Hillary would have been worse and that was the choice.

While many people think that Hillary was the right choice, just as many think that she was the wrong choice and still do, especially in the light of all the revelations of the past year or so.

So here we are.  Trump's fate is in Mueller's hands.  One side is rooting for Mueller and the other side is rooting for Trump.  And we have the midterms.  If you want to impeach Trump, you have to accept Pelosi, Waters and Schumer as your leaders.  And wide open borders, much higher taxes and the restrangulation of business with a highly likely recession in short order.  Oh, and Prezident Pence ... you still won't have Hillary.  You'll have to wait until 2020 for that.

Maybe not the answer you were expecting, but it's my answer to your question.

 
LOL.......you backpedal as well as he does.
kurtster

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Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 10:28am

 prickelpit96 wrote:

How come people still believe him though the amount of lies and obvious misbehaviour is so big? {#Ask}

 
It's not so much that people believe him.  It's more that Hillary would have been worse and that was the choice.

While many people think that Hillary was the right choice, just as many think that she was the wrong choice and still do, especially in the light of all the revelations of the past year or so.

So here we are.  Trump's fate is in Mueller's hands.  One side is rooting for Mueller and the other side is rooting for Trump.  And we have the midterms.  If you want to impeach Trump, you have to accept Pelosi, Waters and Schumer as your leaders.  And wide open borders, much higher taxes and the restrangulation of business with a highly likely recession in short order.  Oh, and Prezident Pence ... you still won't have Hillary.  You'll have to wait until 2020 for that.

Maybe not the answer you were expecting, but it's my answer to your question.
Steely_D

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Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 9:13am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 Steely_D wrote:

Because it's not true. 

You're listening to the wrong propaganda. Trump is playing everyone!
 
My Q shirt hasn't sold. Do you think it's because people realized I used The Obama Font?
 
You might want to post that question here.

*rabbit hole warning*


ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 9:08am



 Steely_D wrote:

Because it's not true. 

You're listening to the wrong propaganda. Trump is playing everyone!
 
My Q shirt hasn't sold. Do you think it's because people realized I used The Obama Font?

Red_Dragon

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Location: Dumbf*ckistan


Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 9:00am

 Steely_D wrote:

Because it's not true. 

You're listening to the wrong propaganda. Trump is playing everyone!

 
Q isn't Q

Steely_D

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Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 8:34am

 prickelpit96 wrote:
How come people still believe him though the amount of lies and obvious misbehaviour is so big? {#Ask}

 
Because it's not true. 

You're listening to the wrong propaganda. Trump is playing everyone!
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 6:45am

 prickelpit96 wrote:

How come people still believe him though the amount of lies and obvious misbehaviour is so big? {#Ask}

 
Because people are susceptible to delusion and cling to it for dear life.
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Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 6:39am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
I expected total silence on the subject, but perhaps this is even better. SO weak.

 
How come people still believe him though the amount of lies and obvious misbehaviour is so big? {#Ask}
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Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 6:37am

 Red_Dragon wrote:
I expected total silence on the subject, but perhaps this is even better. SO weak.
 
what would you like to hear?
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Aug 22, 2018 - 6:10am

I expected total silence on the subject, but perhaps this is even better. SO weak.
kcar

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Posted: Aug 21, 2018 - 5:49pm

 
 
 
It’s Robert Mueller’s biggest victory yet, in one of the most successful special counsel investigations in history.
 
 

By Noah Bookbinder, Barry Berke and Norman L. Eisen

Mr. Bookbinder is the executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. Barry Berke is a co-chairman of the litigation department at Kramer Levin Naftalis & Frankel. Norman Eisen is the chairman of CREW.

 
 
 
...
 

The conviction conclusively and publicly demonstrates what many of us have said since the start of the investigation: This is no “witch hunt.” It instead is one of the most successful special counsel investigations in history. Coming alongside the guilty plea by Michael Cohen, the president’s former lawyer, implicating the president in campaign finance violations, it was a very bad day for Mr. Trump.

Mr. Manafort’s conviction cannot be diminished by arguing, as Mr. Trump and his coterie are fond of doing, that the misconduct was unrelated to the Trump campaign or Russian “collusion.” On the contrary, the trial evidence included Mr. Manafort’s close ties to pro-Russia forces and his desperate financial straits as he “volunteered” his time for the next president. The trial revealed how willing Mr. Manafort was to corruptly leverage his position of influence over Mr. Trump during the campaign for his own personal benefit. He offered briefings to a pro-Russia Ukrainian oligarch and dangled a position in the Trump administration in front of a banker who provided him a loan for which he would not otherwise have qualified.

...

The conviction is also bad news for the president because it increases the pressure on Mr. Manafort to cooperate with investigators. He has a second trial coming shortly in Washington, D.C., which could add even more time to what will likely be a substantial sentence — and Mr. Mueller reportedly has much more evidence to present to jurors in that trial than he did in the trial that just concluded.

Nor can Mr. Manafort simply wait for a presidential pardon. Mr. Trump hinted at one in his inappropriate tweets while the jury was deliberating, and has otherwise signaled his readiness to use his pardon pen. But should Mr. Trump pardon him, Mr. Manafort should expect state attorneys general to pick up under applicable state laws the threads of corruption and tax fraud that Mr. Mueller has already woven together. Unlike the federal crimes for which he has been convicted, state crimes cannot be wiped away with a presidential pardon.

...

Mr. Manafort’s conviction should also send chills down the spines of other potential defendants, possibly including the president’s son Donald Trump Jr. and his informal adviser Roger Stone. As far as we know, they have been excluded from the hundreds of witnesses the special counsel has interviewed. That fact, and the public evidence about their conduct, signals that they may be facing Mr. Mueller’s scrutiny.

...

The conviction is also bad news for the president because it increases the pressure on Mr. Manafort to cooperate with investigators. He has a second trial coming shortly in Washington, D.C., which could add even more time to what will likely be a substantial sentence — and Mr. Mueller reportedly has much more evidence to present to jurors in that trial than he did in the trial that just concluded.








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