Trump, in my opinion, has been sending out trial balloons for a pardon of Manafort, calling him a "good" and "brave" man and decrying his prosecution and convictions for tax evasion and bank fraud as "sad" and a "disgrace."
Putting aside, for the moment, those convictions: what has this man done in his life that makes him worthy of praise? Seems to me that he spent his life accumulating wealth, which he has earned as a political consultant and lobbyist. He may be very good at those jobs, and there's nothing inherently wrong with pursuing vast amounts of wealth for one's own benefit, but to make him out as if he were some kind of hero/victim/martyr? Remember, this guy, as the New York Times stated in an editorial, "enriched himself by working for some of the world’s most notorious thugs and autocrats, including Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines, Jonas Savimbi in Angola and Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaire (now called the Democratic Republic of Congo). He helped elect the pro-Kremlin Viktor Yanukovych as president of Ukraine, a job that earned him millions until Mr. Yanukovych was ousted from power in 2014."
Then add this week's convictions to his resume.
That is reason enough to impeach Trump. He shouldn't be able to use his power to keep the illegal actions of his associates from having consequences. Where is the party of law and order when you need it?
Trump, in my opinion, has been sending out trial balloons for a pardon of Manafort, calling him a "good" and "brave" man and decrying his prosecution and convictions for tax evasion and bank fraud as "sad" and a "disgrace."
Putting aside, for the moment, those convictions: what has this man done in his life that makes him worthy of praise? Seems to me that he spent his life accumulating wealth, which he has earned as a political consultant and lobbyist. He may be very good at those jobs, and there's nothing inherently wrong with pursuing vast amounts of wealth for one's own benefit, but to make him out as if he were some kind of hero/victim/martyr? Remember, this guy, as the New York Times stated in an editorial, "enriched himself by working for some of the world’s most notorious thugs and autocrats, including Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines, Jonas Savimbi in Angola and Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaire (now called the Democratic Republic of Congo). He helped elect the pro-Kremlin Viktor Yanukovych as president of Ukraine, a job that earned him millions until Mr. Yanukovych was ousted from power in 2014."
Then add this week's convictions to his resume.
"good" = "financially savvy" That's all. That's capitalist, when it comes down to it. Morality doesn't factor into capitalism.
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Aug 23, 2018 - 9:57am
Trump, in my opinion, has been sending out trial balloons for a pardon of Manafort, calling him a "good" and "brave" man and decrying his prosecution and convictions for tax evasion and bank fraud as "sad" and a "disgrace."
Putting aside, for the moment, those convictions: what has this man done in his life that makes him worthy of praise? Seems to me that he spent his life accumulating wealth, which he has earned as a political consultant and lobbyist. He may be very good at those jobs, and there's nothing inherently wrong with pursuing vast amounts of wealth for one's own benefit, but to make him out as if he were some kind of hero/victim/martyr? Remember, this guy, as the New York Times stated in an editorial, "enriched himself by working for some of the worldâs most notorious thugs and autocrats, including Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines, Jonas Savimbi in Angola and Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaire (now called the Democratic Republic of Congo). He helped elect the pro-Kremlin Viktor Yanukovych as president of Ukraine, a job that earned him millions until Mr. Yanukovych was ousted from power in 2014."
Question here is would Trump say anything about it if the land were being redistributed from people who's skin isn't white. I'm guessing not.
He tweeted it because Tucker Carlson tacitly told him to. From the article: "The episode represented a case study in how the president runs his administration. The apparent basis of Trumpâs directions to the nationâs top diplomat were accusations leveled by Fox â accusations that echo talking points used by white-nationalist groups, including an organization that has referred to âthe so-called apartheidâ and the âso-called âhistorical injustices of the past.ââ..."
The issue is a serious one. Other countries that have 'redistributed' land have had disastrous results: economic, environmental, and social. It's true the Boers have a lot to answer for, but redistribution is a tried-and-true recipe for disaster.
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Question here is would Trump say anything about it if the land were being redistributed from people who's skin isn't white. I'm guessing not.
The issue is a serious one. Other countries that have 'redistributed' land have had disastrous results: economic, environmental, and social. It's true the Boers have a lot to answer for, but redistribution is a tried-and-true recipe for disaster.
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Aug 22, 2018 - 3:02pm
kurtster wrote:
I just love how all those who oppose Trump can also claim to have insight into the minds and thinking of those who support Trump and ignore or totally discount what someone who actually supports Trump says. Just boggles the mind. My thinking doesn't have to make sense to you. It has to make sense to me or someone else who supports Trump or I'm in trouble. So continue to speculate about something you consider incomprehensible in the first place. I at least get how the thinking goes that Trump is not the legitimate POTUS even though I disagree with that conclusion. Y'all find it beyond belief that anyone other than a racist, misogynist or bigot would still support Trump at this point. I am none of those yet have been called all of them and more here repeatedly. So I must then be a dummy. And the people saying those things sincerely believe it. Is what it is.
This is where a Trump supporter would remind themselves of what the choices were at the beginning of this and say that yes, it is still a good choice given the alternative. And yes Trump has been doing well on the things that matter to me. I'm not giving up on Trump yet. It ain't over until it is over. I'm also looking at how things are stacking up here in the short term as well. Again, even though the predominant perception of Trump supporters is blind stupidity and worse as mentioned above, I'm not going to ignore the winds that are blowing around. There is now more uncertainty than certainty. I still believe that Trump is being framed. You still believe the Deep State is a fantasy. That has not changed. And what ever is going on, it sure beats having Hillary as POTUS. If the predominant thinking here is that Trump belongs in prison, well then I believe that Hillary should at least have an adjoining cell given all that she has done. But I am certainly the only here who believes that at any level.
Your first paragraph totally mischaracterizes my post; maybe you were responding to others.
Your second paragraph affirms what I said in the second paragraph of my post. You believe in Trump based on what he has been and is doing about the issues that matter to you. I summarized correctly.
In your initial post to which I responded, you contended that it was not necessarily that Trump supporters believe Trump, but more that they did not want Hillary. In my first paragraph, I pointed out how that premise is illogical.
Unclear, then, what your beef is with what i posted, other than using it to launch some tirade about things I did not say (or, as SFW, has said, very few, if anyone, here on this forum has said). Seems to me that you are the one who is claiming to have insight into the minds and thinking of those who oppose or criticize Trump or the Trump administration and discounts what they actually are saying.
Y'all find it beyond belief that anyone other than a racist, misogynist or bigot would still support Trump at this point. I am none of those yet have been called all of them and more here repeatedly. So I must then be a dummy.
We actually don't find it beyond belief. Vanishingly rare, maybe, because the most vocal Trump cheerleaders we encounter do, in fact, show their true colors often enough that a person can be forgiven for falling into the trap of thinking it's a universal trait. The dummy thing goes without saying /potkettle ;-)
I at least get how the thinking goes that Trump is not the legitimate POTUS even though I disagree with that conclusion.
Is anyone here saying that? He's as legit as Bush the Jr., I really don't think anyone seriously makes that argument; the fact that Russia did what they did makes our system flawed, but we don't have a robust mechanism for replacing a president installed due to a flawed process, so he's our guy.
