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Posted: Jan 15, 2020 - 3:38pm

 steeler wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

That's about right. 

I really think that the reason Trump brought him on in the first place was to pick his brains in a keep your friends close and your enemies closer kinda way.
 

There was a line of reasoning that I don't subscribe to but is still worth a morbid chuckle that Trump got us into the Iran skirmish because he wanted to appease Bolton (who's wanted to attack Iran for decades). 
 
I tire of those who inexplicably give Trump credit or cover for high officials he selected and later showed them the door, sometimes commenting on how they essentially were not up to the job. It’s been an ever-revolving door in this administration. These are his selections and if they prove inadequate or worse that reflects first and foremost on him, an indictment of his judgment.  

I am am no fan of Bolton — never have been — but his foreign policy views have been well documented over a rather long career.  

 
Trump's pickin's have come from very short lists, made even shorter by all the harassment and whatnot done towards members of his administration.  Being humiliated while quietly eating dinner was the least of it.  Becoming targets of government investigations for daring to even give Trump the time of day being the worst of it.  That and vile conformation hearings.  All designed to intimidate people from serving in Trump's administration.  It continues to this day.  Vince Vaughn being caught chatting and shaking hands with Trump at the NCAA title game on Monday being the latest.

I said the same thing about Bolton here back when he was picked to join the administration.  Bolton was a loose cannon and Trump took him in to basically keep him under wraps, similarly the same as Obama making Clinton SOS to keep her under his thumb and from causing him trouble walking around grumbling about her loss to him, which she has been doing about her loss to Trump from day one of that.  Bolton was making the rounds as a paid Fox News contributor and he usually was very critical of Trump in those appearances.  Bolton's own ego forced him into accepting the position.  That and Trump's list to pick one was extremely short, especially after the Kavanaugh confirmation.

I've long been looking for a way to address the complaint about the vow to make Obama a one term President.  This is it after much thought.

There is one hell of a difference between working against a POTUS to foil policies in an effort to make them a one termer and impeaching a POTUS to make sure.  The effort to impeach Trump officially began within hours of Trump taking the oath of office when the WAPO printed its article announcing the start.  The 2018 midterms were all about flipping Congress in order to enable that reality.  Trump wisely focused on keeping the Senate as a firewall against that end and even gaining critical seats there.  When asked what happened to all the rush to run the hearings in the House through the way they did, saying things like Trump was an imminent threat to the world and then slow walking the articles to the Senate, Pelosi said there is no hurry, we've been working on this for over two and a half years ...

Ultimately, I'm still waiting to see what Durham comes up with in his investigation before I draw any further conclusions on this whole shebang.  Doesn't mean that I will not speak up about Trump anymore, just that I believe that Durham will vindicate Trump in the end.  I say that because of all the things that have been revealed so far are consistent with my understandings of how this all began.

ymwv ...

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Posted: Jan 15, 2020 - 12:55pm



 steeler wrote: 
I tire of those who inexplicably give Trump credit or cover for high officials he selected and later showed them the door, sometimes commenting on how they essentially were not up to the job. It’s been an ever-revolving door in this administration. These are his selections and if they prove inadequate or worse that reflects first and foremost on him, an indictment of his judgment.  

I am no fan of Bolton — never have been — but his foreign policy views have been well documented over a rather long career.  
 
Bolton is in it for Bolton, just like Tillerson and Barr and DeVos and Acosta and McMahon and Haley and Nielson....and Trump.

Accepting all of his flaws, there would seem to be little doubt that Bolton was close to the action for whatever did or did not take place.  To me, executive privilege or the 5th might as well be "he did exactly what he's accused of".   You can't break rules established to limit Presidential powers and then say the President doesn't have to comply with the investigation into those actions.

Bolton wants to be the hero, and he was posturing to win twice (once by not talking, the other by giving Dems the "I knew it" they wanted after it's too late to do anything about it).  He should be made to say what he knows as part of the Senate trial...either way.

steeler

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Posted: Jan 15, 2020 - 12:08pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

That's about right. 

I really think that the reason Trump brought him on in the first place was to pick his brains in a keep your friends close and your enemies closer kinda way.
 

There was a line of reasoning that I don't subscribe to but is still worth a morbid chuckle that Trump got us into the Iran skirmish because he wanted to appease Bolton (who's wanted to attack Iran for decades). 
 
I tire of those who inexplicably give Trump credit or cover for high officials he selected and later showed them the door, sometimes commenting on how they essentially were not up to the job. It’s been an ever-revolving door in this administration. These are his selections and if they prove inadequate or worse that reflects first and foremost on him, an indictment of his judgment.  

I am am no fan of Bolton — never have been — but his foreign policy views have been well documented over a rather long career.  



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Posted: Jan 15, 2020 - 11:49am



 kurtster wrote:

That's about right. 

I really think that the reason Trump brought him on in the first place was to pick his brains in a keep your friends close and your enemies closer kinda way.
 

There was a line of reasoning that I don't subscribe to but is still worth a morbid chuckle that Trump got us into the Iran skirmish because he wanted to appease Bolton (who's wanted to attack Iran for decades). 
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Posted: Jan 15, 2020 - 11:16am

 cc_rider wrote:

Nobody is preventing Bolton from spilling the beans, under oath or otherwise. He is playing both sides against the middle, trying to make himself look good. Save the world? No, Bolton only cares about saving his own hide. He could be called to testify, then plead the Fifth, or claim executive privilege, or some other nonsense. That way he can say 'I showed up' without revealing anything. I don't trust him one iota.
c.
 
That's about right. 

I really think that the reason Trump brought him on in the first place was to pick his brains in a keep your friends close and your enemies closer kinda way.
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Posted: Jan 15, 2020 - 11:06am



 rgio wrote:



 
Who knows.  There is some thought that the House could call his bluff and issue a subpoena immediately (since they haven't technically transitioned the articles to the Senate).  I'm guessing that Bolton grew to hate Trump, and that what he really wants is a chance to position himself as the brains of the outfit that was run off for trying to keep things in line.  He's only doing this now to save the world....?

 
Nobody is preventing Bolton from spilling the beans, under oath or otherwise. He is playing both sides against the middle, trying to make himself look good. Save the world? No, Bolton only cares about saving his own hide. He could be called to testify, then plead the Fifth, or claim executive privilege, or some other nonsense. That way he can say 'I showed up' without revealing anything. I don't trust him one iota.
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Posted: Jan 15, 2020 - 10:30am

How Schumer might get the last laugh on impeachment trial

Game on!
rgio

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Posted: Jan 6, 2020 - 11:11am



 kcar wrote:


 rgio wrote:

Bolton Says He Is Willing to Testify in Impeachment Trial


“I have concluded that, if the Senate issues a subpoena for my testimony, I am prepared to testify,” Mr. Bolton said in a statement on his website.

Maybe John has decided that having a book deal is pointless if there isn't anyone left to read it.
 

Isn't this just a stunt on Bolton's part? Mitch McConnell isn't going to subpoena Bolton and I don't think the Democrats will have the right to subpoena witnesses in the (eventually) upcoming trial in the Senate.

 
Who knows.  There is some thought that the House could call his bluff and issue a subpoena immediately (since they haven't technically transitioned the articles to the Senate).  I'm guessing that Bolton grew to hate Trump, and that what he really wants is a chance to position himself as the brains of the outfit that was run off for trying to keep things in line.  He's only doing this now to save the world....?

kcar

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Posted: Jan 6, 2020 - 10:33am



 rgio wrote:

Bolton Says He Is Willing to Testify in Impeachment Trial


“I have concluded that, if the Senate issues a subpoena for my testimony, I am prepared to testify,” Mr. Bolton said in a statement on his website.

Maybe John has decided that having a book deal is pointless if there isn't anyone left to read it.
 

Isn't this just a stunt on Bolton's part? Mitch McConnell isn't going to subpoena Bolton and I don't think the Democrats will have the right to subpoena witnesses in the (eventually) upcoming trial in the Senate.

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Posted: Jan 6, 2020 - 9:56am

Bolton Says He Is Willing to Testify in Impeachment Trial


“I have concluded that, if the Senate issues a subpoena for my testimony, I am prepared to testify,” Mr. Bolton said in a statement on his website.

Maybe John has decided that having a book deal is pointless if there isn't anyone left to read it.
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Posted: Dec 31, 2019 - 9:09am



 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
He's got several good points.

I have wondered if McConnell ever thought about a massive move for the party, appreciating that a second term could be a disaster and even now (unless he does something), he's going to be destroyed as an enabler as the history of this era is written.  He's stayed close to the base, and then in one big move he convinces Senate Republicans that their only way forward is to take the gift Pelosi has provided.  The Senate conducts a trial, exposes details, and quickly shows the boss the door.  He backfills a very short primary season with himself, Romney, Cruz, and a few others...hoping to capture the Trump base who is energized and angry, so they'll definitely show up to support the Republican nominee. 

Part of me wonders if Trump isn't exhausted anyway, and might secretly bless the move to maintain the narrative versus risking a defeat in November. 

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Posted: Dec 31, 2019 - 7:26am

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Posted: Dec 19, 2019 - 9:04am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Listening to McConnell's Boss Hog act —especially the parts where he pretends to be shocked at any partisan motivations by anyone at any time (*cough* Merrick Garland *cough*) just leaves me gasping for air. 

*goes to see how long Mitch's father lived* Oh! Died aged 72! So Mitch is on borrowed time. 
*checks Trump* Oh shit, Fred didn't cark it until he was 93. 

I did learn that Mitch's military service was almost bonespurs-worthy tho. 

July 9, 1967 to August 15, 1967 (37 days) (medical separation)

 
  
Nice take


ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Dec 19, 2019 - 8:53am

Listening to McConnell's Boss Hog act —especially the parts where he pretends to be shocked at any partisan motivations by anyone at any time (*cough* Merrick Garland *cough*) just leaves me gasping for air. 

*goes to see how long Mitch's father lived* Oh! Died aged 72! So Mitch is on borrowed time. 
*checks Trump* Oh shit, Fred didn't cark it until he was 93. 

I did learn that Mitch's military service was almost bonespurs-worthy tho. 

July 9, 1967 to August 15, 1967 (37 days) (medical separation)

jahgirl8

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Posted: Dec 18, 2019 - 10:24pm



 Proclivities wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

 

Jeez, I'd almost forgotten about that $h­Ï†head.
 
Thanks Scott!  You have no idea how much mileage " $h­Ï†head " gets... LMAO.



kcar

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Posted: Dec 18, 2019 - 3:38pm



 jahgirl8 wrote:


 rgio wrote:
Trump Letter to the House Democrats

You have to see the closing "One hundred years from now, when people look back at this affair, I want them to understand it, and learn from it, so that it can never happen to another President again." as the last phrase of season 3.  The trailer running after the credits has Flashes of John Roberts, the Senate, the Iowa Caucuses, 106 Trump rallies in 12 locations...with the Season 4 ending taking place on election night.

I'm gonna have to DVR the season and watch it on Saturday mornings....so my pulse can recover before I try to go to sleep (I learned my lesson with HBO's Years and Years).
 
LOL. Well  he was a T.V. star ... Many can't stand him personally, but no one  can deny he knows how to run the media. His "chopper talks" a well devised method of answering what/who he wants and acting like he can't hear any questions he doesn't like. though he always says he has great hearing :) I agree 100% people of the future (commencing tomorrow) should understand this mess, and history will DEF look unfavorably on the  impeachment and those who shoved it upon us. The fact one congressman already said he refuses to vote yes on this bullshit and changed parties says a lot to me. People are riled up... I have several Armenian friends and this is NOT  typical for their culture, especially for older ones, crazy. They obviously think A.S.hiffty is a liar, I think most of the country with brains do too.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-12-14/adam-schiff-armenian-town-hall



 

Oh gosh, Armenia. That bastion of democracy and transparent government. If your Armenian friends don't approve then this impeachment inquiry must definitely be a coup.




Let the BBC help you get in touch with reality


This also seemed appropriate for some reason: 


“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”— Upton Sinclair 


steeler

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Posted: Dec 18, 2019 - 3:08pm

The word of the day is obtuse.

What was the favor that Trump wanted from Zelensky?

Seems simple enough. Straightforward.

Read the transcript. Indeed.
jahgirl8

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Posted: Dec 17, 2019 - 4:03pm



 rgio wrote:
Trump Letter to the House Democrats

You have to see the closing "One hundred years from now, when people look back at this affair, I want them to understand it, and learn from it, so that it can never happen to another President again." as the last phrase of season 3.  The trailer running after the credits has Flashes of John Roberts, the Senate, the Iowa Caucuses, 106 Trump rallies in 12 locations...with the Season 4 ending taking place on election night.

I'm gonna have to DVR the season and watch it on Saturday mornings....so my pulse can recover before I try to go to sleep (I learned my lesson with HBO's Years and Years).
 
LOL. Well  he was a T.V. star ... Many can't stand him personally, but no one  can deny he knows how to run the media. His "chopper talks" a well devised method of answering what/who he wants and acting like he can't hear any questions he doesn't like. though he always says he has great hearing :) I agree 100% people of the future (commencing tomorrow) should understand this mess, and history will DEF look unfavorably on the  impeachment and those who shoved it upon us. The fact one congressman already said he refuses to vote yes on this bullshit and changed parties says a lot to me. People are riled up... I have several Armenian friends and this is NOT  typical for their culture, especially for older ones, crazy. They obviously think A.S.hiffty is a liar, I think most of the country with brains do too.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-12-14/adam-schiff-armenian-town-hall


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rgio

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Posted: Dec 17, 2019 - 2:30pm

Trump Letter to the House Democrats

You have to see the closing "One hundred years from now, when people look back at this affair, I want them to understand it, and learn from it, so that it can never happen to another President again." as the last phrase of season 3.  The trailer running after the credits has Flashes of John Roberts, the Senate, the Iowa Caucuses, 106 Trump rallies in 12 locations...with the Season 4 ending taking place on election night.

I'm gonna have to DVR the season and watch it on Saturday mornings....so my pulse can recover before I try to go to sleep (I learned my lesson with HBO's Years and Years).
rgio

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Posted: Dec 14, 2019 - 8:27am



 kurtster wrote:

...  I would agree with you, but only because I believe that the system is rotten to core with an insubordinate bureaucratic 4th branch of government that few will even acknowledge exists.  ...

 
The reason that our President is the beginning of the end.  Far from perfect, our system and infrastructures have generally been the best answer yet for large populations and their freedoms. 

When someone can look at the moon and say it's made of cheese, and then get 1/3rd to 1/2 of the people to aspire to be mice, we're nearing the end.
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