To a large extent, the opinion that we can't afford to lock down for a few weeks or even months is a function of a lack of preparedness - a just in time society, whether its a store inventory level or a laborers paycheck. From corporations who over leverage, over spend on share repos...to individuals overspending on tvs, phones...discretionary items..and living paycheck to paycheck. Too many ignore the possibility that it may rain one day and I may need to hunker down. We have all been responsible for this environment (keeping up with the Jones?), one that lacks capacity, stretching things so thin, that whenever pressure comes, everything snaps. The same issue played out during the great recession- a lack of redundancies and capacity in the financial system and individual bank accounts. And while we added some measures to increase redundancies in our banking systems, its was a bare minimum, while many politicians were already eager to hack away at those. I'm not playing the told you so game, but when we make it out the other end of this dark tunnel, hopefully we all learn a thing or two about planning and setting aside. What's that grade school story about the grasshopper and ant?
Say what ? China knew about their first case in November and even locked up their whistleblower, the now dead doctor from the virus he tried to warn the world about. China hid this from the world. Check yer facts.
I simply give up.
Put down the propaganda and follow along...
The facts aren't mine, they are the Financial Times (posted by someone else). The chart plots the number of cases against the number of days since the 100th case was reported. In the 18 days since we hit 100 confirmed cases, our trajectory is the worst on the planet. If case 100 happened in China on January 15, and it happened in the US on March 5, the chart starts on those dates for both countries.
The Chinese didn't have another country experiencing this. You praise the President shutting down travelers into the US in early February. The President had a month between shutting down travel and case #100 in the US. He had at least 6 weeks before case #100 to prepare. The Chinese had no such grace period...they may have covered up, but they had no advanced warning about a virus.
Let's assume every other country on the planet had the exact same notification (if only there was a health organization for the world?).
As the greatest country on the planet, with the greatest economy in history, with the least red tape ever....we are dead (no pun intended) last in our ability to impact the trajectory of the virus. DEAD LAST! We suck! MAGA? We're the 2008 Detroit Lions (0-16) of the coronavirus games. Everything you are saying is excuses. We officially suck! We could put one of those chickens that picks the NCAA tournament every year in the oval office....and we couldn't be any worse off than we are right now in that chart!
I admire your loyalty to the home team, but I think it's time to fire the manager.
To a large extent, the opinion that we can't afford to lock down for a few weeks or even months is a function of a lack of preparedness - a just in time society, whether its a store inventory level or a laborers paycheck. From corporations who over leverage, over spend on share repos...to individuals overspending on tvs, phones...discretionary items..and living paycheck to paycheck. Too many ignore the possibility that it may rain one day and I may need to hunker down. We have all been responsible for this environment (keeping up with the Jones?), one that lacks capacity, stretching things so thin, that whenever pressure comes, everything snaps. The same issue played out during the great recession- a lack of redundancies and capacity in the financial system and individual bank accounts. And while we added some measures to increase redundancies in our banking systems, its was a bare minimum, while many politicians were already eager to hack away at those. I'm not playing the told you so game, but when we make it out the other end of this dark tunnel, hopefully we all learn a thing or two about planning and setting aside. What's that grade school story about the grasshopper and ant?
several companies including jacob glanville @ distributed bio come up with a bit of a different angle
Interviewed on CNBC this morning regarding our #COVID19 antibody cure. We discuss why a vaccine will take too long to avert the medical and economic crisis in 2020. Vaccines donât work well in the elderly and immunocompromised. Thus we need an antibody.
Yea I am sorry you went to such great lengths and that is all you could find wrong with it. I know you are disappointed. And I clearly did not take credit for or claim or assign any authorship at all.
Your spittle flecks are misdirected. I was defending the author and only criticizing people who would share the post and claim the author was a Harvard physician or whatever the gist was, rather than just say "this is from a nurse who wrote it for her friends but I think it's pretty good."
Yes. Exactly. No problem at all defending that author's post, and very sad that people-on-the-Internet would try to increase its authority by changing her profession or title.
To my post, all I was essentially saying (without actually saying it!) is that with all the info out there, we need to be very cautious in ascribing authority or accuracy to anything from unofficial or unverifiable sources. In spite of best intentions, we've all been burned by spreading something that looks accurate or informative. (hello).
Say what ? China knew about their first case in November and even locked up their whistleblower, the now dead doctor from the virus he tried to warn the world about. China hid this from the world. Check yer facts.
Process check...the discussion of abusing minors is at best a red herring. I think we should stick to the issues until we run out of them.
The biggest issue on this chart is that WE HAD TIME!!! China didn't know this was coming...we did.
From a starting point of the greatest economy the world has ever seen, by at least one measure (the growth of cases beyond #100), we are the worst country in the world. We are the worst country going at dealing with this...and we don't have plans or commitments on how to address it.
We were born on 3rd base....and are running backward. Spain...Italy...hell, we're being outplayed by Boris Johnson!!!
Say what ? China knew about their first case in November and even locked up their whistleblower, the now dead doctor from the virus he tried to warn the world about. China hid this from the world. Check yer facts.
Process check...the discussion of abusing minors is at best a red herring. I think we should stick to the issues until we run out of them.
The biggest issue on this chart is that WE HAD TIME!!! China didn't know this was coming...we did.
From a starting point of the greatest economy the world has ever seen, by at least one measure (the growth of cases beyond #100), we are the worst country in the world. We are the worst country going at dealing with this...and we don't have plans or commitments on how to address it.
We were born on 3rd base....and are running backward. Spain...Italy...hell, we're being outplayed by Boris Johnson!!!
You and everyone else is also ignoring the fact that the whole of our government and your preferred party was doing everything they could to paralyze and destroy Trump's ability to do anything for the last three years with a little thing called impeachment which was still underway as all of this was jumping off. In the light of all of that, I find it truly impressive that Trump has had the wherewithal to make any progress with this mess to begin with. You all were praying that he would be in a corner drooling and crying for Mommy by then and left office.
Can you provide us with any evidence that the Mueller investigation and impeachment proceedings hampered the Trump administration's ability to prepare for a pandemic? Or any evidence that they caused Trump to dismiss repeated warnings in top-level briefing papers and personal conversations from Trump administration officials about the coronavirus?
The impeachment trial ended on February 5. The Mueller investigation ended long before that; I'm guesstimating around July 24, the day before Trump's phone call with Ukraine president Zelensky. Did Mueller or the impeachment proceedings cause Trump to lie and disperse wrong information about the coronavirus in December, January, February AND March?
One reason so many of us object to your posts and work hard to rebut them is that your starting assumption for many of your arguments apparently is that Trump is brilliant, diligent, effective, honest and almost always successful as presidentâunless he's opposed by treacherous Democrats enraged by his election and mad-keen to remove Trump by any means necessary.
To me, many of your posts on Trump read like something out of a comic book. But here's the bad news:
Trump isn't Batman. He isn't Superman. The Democrats in Congress have a right to take part in the governing process and oppose Republicans within the boundaries of the Constitution and the American legal system.
I strongly urge you once again to back up your assertions with news-based sources. Also, abandon your starting assumption that Trump is uncorrupt and infallible.
At no point did I make this about Trump until you insisted he was a God Among Men. I believe I (again: I was siding with you) attributed the delays to "snafu" and not anything more specific. Whatever else he may have done, Trump actively misdirected his people and the nation's governors and local leaders into inaction, deliberately.
If you don't think Trump slept with minors, you are disallowed from commenting. #wishihadthepower
Anyone looking at this situation who can suggest decisive action, "fixes", and that anything has been "done properly", is living someplace I've never heard of, let alone visited.
Amazing is an understatement.
Correct.
Trump's inclination to lie and misdirect is why —with or without a test— our state and local governments remained flat-footed until it was too late to do anything but order coffins.
Speaking of which, I recently had an ad pop up on a website promoting their crematorium equipment as being a lucrative startup business...
Rangarajan Sampath, the chief scientific officer of the nonprofit Foundation for Innovative New Diagnostics, told us that the WHO tests are typically intended for low- and middle-income countries that lack the ability to test.
In part, this is because any assay, or test, the WHO might choose to produce could be easily manufactured in the U.S. or European Union, Sampath said, so the agency doesn’t usually supply kits to those countries.
Still, he said, any nation — even wealthy ones — can request a test kit from the WHO. “They don’t restrict them to low- and middle-income countries,” he said.
The WHO did not share a list of the 120 countries that it said were sent nearly 1.5 million tests as of March 16, but a survey of agency statements reveals that many are concentrated in poorer parts of the world that have less scientific expertise than the U.S.
Around 40 of them appear to be African Union countries, which the WHO’s director-general said had acquired the ability to test by Feb. 26 “using lab kits sent by WHO.” The WHO has also said it assisted 29 countries in the Americas — including some Caribbean islands and much of South and Central America — and nations in Southeast Asia with testing supplies and training.
So you're saying that we should have been the big bully as usual and take away all these test kits from places that were really dependent on them and tell them to go fuck themselves ? That would be leaving them flat footed until it was too late to do anything but order coffins.
And the CDC did develop a viable test very rapidly. It’s not clear exactly when the test was first ready, but the agency successfully used its own test to identify the nation’s first COVID-19 case on Jan. 20 and a CDC report suggests the test was operational at least two days earlier.
As we’ve explained before, the CDC ran into trouble in February when it scaled up production of its test kits to send out to public health labs around the country. The agency attributed the problem to a manufacturing defect with one of the three sets of reagents used to identify the virus.
A little over two weeks after announcing the problem, the agency provided a fix, telling labs that the problematic assay using the third set of reagents could be scrapped without sacrificing test accuracy.
But the manufacturing snafu, along with other limitations on which tests could be used and which labs could do testing (read bureaucracy and red tape), delayed the expansion of the nation’s testing capacity.
Yep, the manufacturing snafu was all Trump's fault.
Yep, You're so right, Trump wants us all dead.
You and everyone else is also ignoring the fact that the whole of our government and your preferred party was doing everything they could to paralyze and destroy Trump's ability to do anything for the last three years with a little thing called impeachment which was still underway as all of this was jumping off. In the light of all of that, I find it truly impressive that Trump has had the wherewithal to make any progress with this mess to begin with. You all were praying that he would be in a corner drooling and crying for Mommy by then and left office.
Hell you even wagered that Trump really did not want to be POTUS in the first place and if elected, would have resigned before the first year was over, right ? Do correct me if I'm wrong on that.
I think it is about time that you quit pretending to be a fair and unbiased and neutral observer of all things Trump, doncha' think ? Baby raper ... right ...
You, the great defender of the unjustly maligned Federal Bureaucracy. Yeah, Trump saw that there was a problem and fixed it, immediately, in an end run around your beloved bureaucracy and put them in their place and got them the hell out of the way. He didn't play ball. He just did it. He didn't whine to Congress to get it fixed like he was supposed to do. He just did it. He is fixing all the broken shit in your beloved bureaucracy without going through the proper Beltway channels. We'd still be waiting if he went to Congress to get it done properly.
Y'all are collectively amazing.
I have strongly stated on numerous occasions that I do not believe in the existence of the nefarious âDeep State.â That is a far cry from making me the great defender of bureaucracy. I choose to assume your Trump-like tirade here was due to the stress everyone is feeling.
By the way, reversing agency regulations, policies, or practices does not require action by Congress unless amendments or revisions to those regulations, policies or practices would conflict with a federal statute. Otherwise, those are solely Executive branch actions. They could have been done at any time since the outbreak in America.
As you must know, Trump stated on March 6, during a visit to CDC in Atlanta, that testing was available to anyone who wanted a test. Obviously, that was not true â and is not even true today. Are those kind of misstatements the fault of the federal bureaucracy or preceding presidential administrations? Rhetorical question.
That's just decisive action and display of leadership. He's just willing it into existence (and it's your fault if it doesn't happen) .
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Mar 23, 2020 - 8:30am
kurtster wrote:
You, the great defender of the unjustly maligned Federal Bureaucracy. Yeah, Trump saw that there was a problem and fixed it, immediately, in an end run around your beloved bureaucracy and put them in their place and got them the hell out of the way. He didn't play ball. He just did it. He didn't whine to Congress to get it fixed like he was supposed to do. He just did it. He is fixing all the broken shit in your beloved bureaucracy without going through the proper Beltway channels. We'd still be waiting if he went to Congress to get it done properly.
Y'all are collectively amazing.
I have strongly stated on numerous occasions that I do not believe in the existence of the nefarious âDeep State.â That is a far cry from making me the great defender of bureaucracy. I choose to assume your Trump-like tirade here was due to the stress everyone is feeling.
By the way, reversing agency regulations, policies, or practices does not require action by Congress unless amendments or revisions to those regulations, policies or practices would conflict with a federal statute. Otherwise, those are solely Executive branch actions. They could have been done at any time since the outbreak in America.
As you must know, Trump stated on March 6, during a visit to CDC in Atlanta, that testing was available to anyone who wanted a test. Obviously, that was not true â and is not even true today. Are those kind of misstatements the fault of the federal bureaucracy or preceding presidential administrations? Rhetorical question.
You're acting like we've been down a similar road before with similar circumstances, that there is a blueprint or plan for what we are supposed to be doing.
You, the great defender of the unjustly maligned Federal Bureaucracy. Yeah, Trump saw that there was a problem and fixed it, immediately, in an end run around your beloved bureaucracy and put them in their place and got them the hell out of the way. He didn't play ball. He just did it. He didn't whine to Congress to get it fixed like he was supposed to do. He just did it. He is fixing all the broken shit in your beloved bureaucracy without going through the proper Beltway channels. We'd still be waiting if he went to Congress to get it done properly.
Y'all are collectively amazing.
Anyone looking at this situation who can suggest decisive action, "fixes", and that anything has been "done properly", is living someplace I've never heard of, let alone visited.
Amazing is an understatement.
Correct.
Trump's inclination to lie and misdirect is why âwith or without a testâ our state and local governments remained flat-footed until it was too late to do anything but order coffins.
Speaking of which, I recently had an ad pop up on a website promoting their crematorium equipment as being a lucrative startup business...
