KarmaKarma wrote:
 

Hmmm. A majority polled say the media exaggerated the Coronavirus. And a majority polled say the media downplayed the Coronavirus.

Amazing the media could simultaneously do both!

Of course, we know the media is biased.

It could not be possible that the readers or viewers brought their biases into play, could it? Nah!

 KarmaKarma wrote:
 

 BlueHeronDruid wrote:
 
There's a bi-partisan view that the MSM is what needs fact-checking.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/media-botched-the-virus-crisis-made-it-worse-poll

 buddy wrote:
 

This is nothing compared to the twitter outrage of fact checking!

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Why the Pandemic Is Driving Conservative Intellectuals Mad
The lockdown has produced a disparity between the old script of grievance and a sickness that can wreak destruction on anyone.

Last week, First Things editor R.R. Reno, a prominent Catholic intellectual who backed Donald Trump for president, let the world know he’d had enough of the effete conformists following public-health guidelines in response to the coronavirus pandemic. Sharing a photo on Twitter of Trump saluting World War II veterans, none of them wearing masks, he declared, “They’re men, not cowards. Masks=enforced cowardice.”

The reaction from critics was swift and punishing, as they noted the emerging wisdom that masks may be one of the most effective measures in preventing the spread of Covid-19. But Reno decided to tweet through it in a typo-laden tirade. “The mask culture if fear driven. Masks+cowardice,” he wrote. “It’s a regime dominate by fear of infection and fear of causing of infection. Both are species of cowardice.” Other, similarly garbled tweets followed, but one of them serves as an especially telling summary of his position: “Now we know who want to cower in place. By all means rage against those who want to live.”

The outburst was no aberration. Since March, he’s produced a string of commentary doubting the severity of the pandemic and lamenting the measures taken to combat it—particularly the temporary closures of churches. It’s not as deadly as we feared, he’s said, and for those under 35, perhaps little more worrisome than the flu—a statement that blithely ignores all that we still don’t know about Covid-19, from the long-term effects it might cause in even healthy young adults to the sudden spike in a Kawasaki-like disease in children. No matter. Reno renders his verdict: “The science increasingly shows that the measures we have taken in the last few weeks have been both harmful—with freedoms lost, money spent, livelihoods destroyed—and pointless,” he wrote.

It’s not just that Reno can sound at times like a coronavirus truther. He is also convinced that our pandemic response stems from a deeper civilizational malaise, one that prioritizes the fleeting material world over the everlasting life that awaits our souls after death. In a missive published in March, Reno declared, “There are many things more precious than life,” and castigated political leaders, especially New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, for leading “an ill-conceived crusade against human finitude and the dolorous reality of death.” (...)

I'm no doubt not the first one to wonder, but during lockdown does RP get many more listeners than usual? I wouldn't be surprised.

FiveThirtyEight Releases New Analytics Model Predicting Who Coronavirus Will Vote For

 kurtster wrote:
 
Your boy is out there every day telling people what a great job he's done.  I'm not politicizing this....the guy with the death clock is.

China absolutely set the house on fire.  I don't think anyone is arguing.  What's amazing is that after China lit the match, our leader was focused on telling us how great the house was as it burned.  After finally letting the fire department on the property (they were called by a neighbor and were sitting outside the gate),  he wants credit for saving the cats and the half of the house that remains.

He's now tweeting (on that corrupt, disinformation platform) about the stock market.  40M people filed for unemployment last week....the stock market and their reality are headed in opposite directions.    The market is up BECAUSE those people have lost their jobs, and small biz is soon to be a historical reference.  Look...."the rich are getting richer" isn't a good platform for reelection, only his faithful are too focused on not wearing masks to notice.  He's losing senior votes by the hour...he's trailing badly in PA, and the rust belt, and he's so bad even GA and TX are in play!

I guess it's fair to say you don't have a number?  Sure...you have research and links and blame....but you can't deliver a fact-based assessment of the blame you are so eager to share. 

 steeler wrote: 
See below.

 rgio wrote: 
Alrighty, I did some digging and the information is vague and varies greatly for some reason.

https://www.aarp.org/caregiving/health/info-2020/coronavirus-nursing-home-cases-deaths.html

https://abc7ny.com/nursing-home-deaths-cuomo-criticized-in-new-york/6168676/

https://www.health.ny.gov/statistics/diseases/covid-19/fatalities_nursing_home_acf.pdf

The last link which is the official NY state count totals 3181 as of May 25.

This link from Time dated May 5 already has the total at least 4,813.

https://time.com/5832141/new-york-nursing-home-death-toll/

The numbers are being played with in ways that it is hard to keep track and all are basically unreliable, eh ?

So with all that in consideration, returning to the Trump Death Count, can we all agree that the only reason it is being maintained is to present 56 k and counting, reasons not to vote for Trump ?  There is no other reason than a political one ?  It is assigning blame while at the same time holding everyone else blameless, purely for political reasons.  Who would want to politicize this number and gain from doing so ?  One guess I'm thinking.  I'm thinking blue.  It is why I said what I said.  

Me, I hold China singlehandedly to blame for starting this whole Pandemic.  They closed down their own territory immediately yet let people fly out unrestricted internationally at the same time and lying about what was really going on.  If they were a proper world citizen, they would have suspended all travel at the same time, period.  But if people want to hold Trump to blame for a certain amount of USA deaths, then we must hold the rest accountable, too, to be honest and non political.

I'll stick with China while the rest of you all can go about your own blaming processes and I will assign the same reason for doing so as I already have.

ymwv ...

 ScottN wrote:
 

Indeed.

 kurtster wrote:
 
There is a big difference between attributing deaths to the competence/incompetence of Trump and his administration’s response and saying or suggesting that Democrats want more deaths because that will hurt Trump’s re-election chances. 

Trump has said repeatedly that his January 30 decision to place a ban on flights from China saved hundreds of thousands  of American lives. But it is offensive to say or suggest that his administration’s inaction in February along with the early  testing failure of the CDC caused unnecessary deaths? 

 kurtster wrote:
 
Totally senseless and unknowable question. My point was about your statement that democrats want lots of people to die so Trump will be blamed. I'm certainly not about deflect from that and play your game so you can feel justified. 

 kurtster wrote:
 
No...I'm willing to follow your lead on this.  You said "pick a number for Trump"...and I did. 

Now, I'm saying..."Pick a number for Cuomo".....your move Kurster....

 rgio wrote: 
His number is those that died in the state's nursing homes (residents and workers) as a direct result of his executive order, which is nearly all of the NY CV 19 nursing home deaths to date.  There is an actual category for nursing homes deaths IIRC.  We just need to find a place that we agree on for the count and we're good to go.  I'll let you pick.

 kurtster wrote:
 
Ok...what's the number?  Give us the Cuomo number and tell us how to track it...and we'll track it.

 rgio wrote: 
Perfect.  I do recall this.  Thank you. 

We need to keep the number updated here on a regular basis.

And Cuomo's numbers, too.  And some others' who also screwed up their state's nursing homes ...

 kurtster wrote:
 
59,445

Trump Death Clock

 haresfur wrote: 
It's the party and followers, same as the broadbrushed attachments that come with the other side by your side.

So let's pick a number.  Just how many deaths do we attribute directly to Trump ?  It is important at some point, right ?  Y'all keep talking about it.

There is certainly no problem with coming up with a number on your side.   Do you have a problem with Cuomo ?

Cuomo, NY.  He has 25 k on his hands just by what he did to the nursing homes there.  Then what about the subways ?  That is a quarter of all the USA deaths to date.

So give me a number for Trump.  You or anyone else ... I know someone is keeping score somewhere ...