If the increase in reported cases "were due to a very high level of testing, we would expect to see the percentage of tests that are positive be very low, certainly less than 3%. However that is not what we are seeing," said Aubree Gordon, associate professor of epidemiology at the University of Michigan.
So the person you two are arguing about is Dr. Birx.
She is definitely working for the government, but that doesn't eliminate her credentials as someone who A) studied, B) has experience with epidemiology, C) has access to better information than anyone here. Being an expert doesn't mean she's right, but by definition, she is a person with a high degree of skill in or knowledge of the subject. She is an expert.
Her statement is that the spread is faster and broader (and may last longer), than she expected. The quote is an opinion, do with it what you will.
Since you are obviously someone who absorbs a lot of information and thinks for themselves....what about her statement do you disagree with? Is the spread slower and more narrow than you expected? Who are you reading or listening to that has informed your opinion, so we too can follow and learn?
In short, my dumb wit would put it like this: The testing being done is broader and wider than ever before, and it may last longer.
Not going into testing and it's usefulness itself here, again.
So the virus is spreading the same, we are just catching it more frequently than we were before?
You don't seem to get it. A hint for you: The more testing, the more "cases".
Gotta go now. Cheers.
Yeah...you're right...one of us doesn't get it. Nice to see you realize it and "go"
The virus is still running unabated in the US and the rate of rising cases is now "dramatically" different from what it was before, White House Coronavirus task force coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx told CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta.
"This is faster. It's broader. And what worries me, it could be longer," she said. Dr. Esther Choo, professor of emergency medicine at Oregon Health & Science University, said the real case count is likely to be"multitudes" higher than the 12 million reported because not enough people are getting tested. Choo said she is particularly concerned by how quickly new cases are accelerating. "So many states have test positivity rates above 20%, which means that we are vastly lagging behind in our confirmed cases," she told CNN's Erica Hill.
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The rising numbers have brought some hospital systems to their knees and prompted state leaders to take action to help curb the spread.
At least 24 hospital leaders warned the American Hospital Association they are experiencing staffing shortages, Nancy Foster, the association's vice president for quality and patient safety policy, said. Those concerns have been raised in states including Texas, Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota and North and South Dakota, all of which have recently seen infections climbing, she added.
And those shortages are hard to fix when pulling from a workforce of health care employees "justifiably experiencing a significant emotional and physical toll due to the impact of the pandemic," Foster said in a statement to CNN.
And in rural parts of the country, the challenge is often greater.
Of about 2,000 hospitals considered to be rural, about 1,700 have 50 beds or fewer and about 1,300 of them have 25 beds or fewer, according to Tom Morris, associate administrator for rural health policy in the federal government's Health Resources and Services Administration. "People in hospitals will not do well when they're as crowded as they are becoming right now," Choo said.
"We're not talking about large facilities. We're not talking about a lot of ICU capacity," Morris said during the National Institutes of Health rural health seminar." In a lot of these hospitals, they're able to offer an ICU of one of two beds."
So the person you two are arguing about is Dr. Birx.
She is definitely working for the government, but that doesn't eliminate her credentials as someone who A) studied, B) has experience with epidemiology, C) has access to better information than anyone here. Being an expert doesn't mean she's right, but by definition, she is a person with a high degree of skill in or knowledge of the subject. She is an expert.
Her statement is that the spread is faster and broader (and may last longer), than she expected. The quote is an opinion, do with it what you will.
Since you are obviously someone who absorbs a lot of information and thinks for themselves....what about her statement do you disagree with? Is the spread slower and more narrow than you expected? Who are you reading or listening to that has informed your opinion, so we too can follow and learn?
In short, my dumb wit would put it like this: The testing being done is broader and wider than ever before.
Not going into testing and it's usefulness itself here, again.
So the virus is spreading the same, we are just catching it more frequently than we were before?
Love it, when 'experts' are being quoted. It means, we don't have to think ourselves.
Actually, it means - by definition - they know more than you. Why is that a problem?
Simply, because "experts" have been "quoted" ever since I can remember in order to serve some kind of government narrative to the public. In order to dive any deeper, I recommend Noam Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent".
Who should be quoted?
People do have the capacity to see through, if they're serious about searching for truth. Trust your own guts, and trust your own reason, I'd say. We all are being buried in quotes from 'experts' by the media. Governments devise their policies, according to 'experts' in times of a pandemic. People die because of decisions made by politicians listening to such 'experts'.
Politicians could try to become experts themselves. But very few are doing this.
Besides, the public has been duped into believing any and all kinds of "literal BS" by the media ever since the beginning of mankind, under the auspice of so-called 'experts'. just look into the video I linked above. It is no conspiracy, and it is no secret. It has been known, ever since man has started studying the media.
So the person you two are arguing about is Dr. Birx.
She is definitely working for the government, but that doesn't eliminate her credentials as someone who A) studied, B) has experience with epidemiology, C) has access to better information than anyone here. Being an expert doesn't mean she's right, but by definition, she is a person with a high degree of skill in or knowledge of the subject. She is an expert.
Her statement is that the spread is faster and broader (and may last longer), than she expected. The quote is an opinion, do with it what you will.
Since you are obviously someone who absorbs a lot of information and thinks for themselves....what about her statement do you disagree with? Is the spread slower and more narrow than you expected? Who are you reading or listening to that has informed your opinion, so we too can follow and learn?
People do have the capacity to see through, if they're serious about searching for truth. Trust your own guts, and trust your own reason, I'd say. We all are being buried in quotes from 'experts' by the media. Governments devise their policies, according to 'experts' in times of a pandemic. People die because of decisions made by politicians listening to such 'experts'.
Politicians could try to become experts themselves. But very few are doing this.
Besides, the public has been duped into believing any and all kinds of "literal BS" by the media ever since the beginning of mankind, under the auspice of so-called 'experts'. just look into the video I linked above. It is no conspiracy, and it is no secret. It has been known, ever since man has started studying the media.
Um... no.
Please provide a YouTube video for this reasoning.
That was the prevailing beliefâAristarchus asideâuntil the time of Copernicus. A lot of people liked it because it gave them a personally unwarranted central position in the universe. The mere fact that you were on Earth made you privileged. That felt good. Then along came the evidence that Earth was just a planet and that those other bright moving points of light were planets too. Disappointing. Even depressing. Better when we were central and unique.
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Iâm often asked the question, âDo you think there is extraterrestrial intelligence?â I give the standard argumentsâthere are a lot of places out there, and use the word billions, and so on. And then I say it would be astonishing to me if there werenât extraterrestrial intelligence, but of course there is as yet no compelling evidence for it. And then Iâm asked, âYeah, but what do you really think?â I say, âI just told you what I really think.â âYeah, but whatâs your gut feeling?â But I try not to think with my gut. Really, itâs okay to reserve judgment until the evidence is in.
People do have the capacity to see through, if they're serious about searching for truth. Trust your own guts, and trust your own reason, I'd say. We all are being buried in quotes from 'experts' by the media. Governments devise their policies, according to 'experts' in times of a pandemic. People die because of decisions made by politicians listening to such 'experts'.
Politicians could try to become experts themselves. But very few are doing this.
Besides, the public has been duped into believing any and all kinds of "literal BS" by the media ever since the beginning of mankind, under the auspice of so-called 'experts'. just look into the video I linked above. It is no conspiracy, and it is no secret. It has been known, ever since man has started studying the media.
âThereâs a concept of economy and efficiency. You should have just enough beds for what you need tomorrow. You shouldnât prepare for the future. Right? So the hospital systemâs crashing. Simple things like tests which you can easily get in a country South Korea, you canât get here. So the coronavirus, which should be controlled in a functioning society, is going out of hand here. Weâre just not ready for it. What weâre good at, what our leaders are good at, and have been very good at for the last 40 years, is pouring money into the pockets of the rich and the corporate executives while everything else crashes.â
Love it, when 'experts' are being quoted. It means, we don't have to think ourselves.
Actually, it means - by definition - they know more than you. Why is that a problem?
Simply, because "experts" have been "quoted" ever since I can remember in order to serve some kind of government narrative to the public. In order to dive any deeper, I recommend Noam Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent".
In an alternate universe where there was no coronavirus pandemic, President Trump might have been ending his presidency by attending the Group of 20 summit in the same city he visited on his first foreign trip as president: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
Instead, the coronavirus has turned the global meeting into a V.I.P. webinar â and left the president to pursue his more regular weekend routine, tweeting and going to the golf course.
On Saturday, Mr. Trump briefly participated in a virtual Group of 20 summit from the Situation Room. But he was not listed as a participant at a sideline event at the conference on âPandemic Preparedness and Response.â Speakers at the event included Emmanuel Macron, the president of France, and Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany.
Instead, Mr. Trump continued the postelection weekend routine he has settled into. He sends out a tweet with a new, empty promise of âfraudâ revelations and then heads to his Virginia golf course. It was the third weekend in a row that he has done so. (...)
Since the election, Mr. Trump has taken no questions from reporters. But he has played golf on Nov. 7, 8, 14, 15 and 21.
