I'd say both are likely true. Biggest group being the uninsured (not political with overlap), followed by Republicans (political), rurals (mixed) & white evangelicals (political)...
We have insurance and access, so getting vaccinated was no big deal. But all my interactions with the pharmacy and vaccination points have been pretty clear about they will use our insurance, but it is not necessary. The vaccines are available to anyone with or without insurance at no cost to them (like a lot of the testing). I think I've seen this in a lot of outreach as well.
So is this just an education thing (educating the uninsured), or are they not being reached by this information? Or are they suspect of free services? I don't understand why this is a problem unless it's maybe just a high correlation with uninsured and other factors.
An aside: it is interesting and, perhaps, revealing that those who remain unvaccinated apparently are predominantly/overwhelmingly conservative. Yet we hear that the reasons for not getting vaccinated are varied and often specific to the individual â not political or ideological.
I'd say both are likely true. Biggest group being the uninsured (not political with overlap), followed by Republicans (political), rurals (mixed) & white evangelicals (political)...
An aside: it is interesting and, perhaps, revealing that those who remain unvaccinated apparently are predominantly/overwhelmingly conservative. Yet we hear that the reasons for not getting vaccinated are varied and often specific to the individual â not political or ideological.
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Firefighters too - around here, anyway.
An aside: it is interesting and, perhaps, revealing that those who remain unvaccinated apparently are predominantly/overwhelmingly conservative. Yet we hear that the reasons for not getting vaccinated are varied and often specific to the individual â not political or ideological.
We are having an estate sale for an aunt who passed away with no children, and the very first exchange this morning went something like this....
(the scene: Southern New Jersey 55+ community... the county we're in is 76% vaccinated for the 65+ crowd.)
70+ woman walks into the garage and says to my wife "I don't need to wear a mask, do it"?
Wife: "why no, we're vaccinated, and I'm assuming you are as well"
woman: "No, I'm not vaccinated, I don't want them to kill me with those shots".
wife: "aren't you more worried about getting sick?"
woman: "The virus won't kill me, but the vaccines will".
wife: "who told you that?
woman: "everyone says so, and that's what they say on Fox News"
wife: "I think you might want to find a new source of information"
Amazing to hear her conviction that the vaccines would kill her, but the virus wasn't that dangerous. This town is slightly more "rural" than where we live...and the difference is staggering to behold.
reminds me southern boy posted here sometime back that his b-i-l, an officer in nj had covid and wasn't doing well not sure he posted any reference after that
To your point, the slogan they should be using is "your body, my choice".
The "my body, my choice" is the pro-abortion line, and we know how they hate that.
It's shocking to see the Right twist themselves in knots about personal choice, the ability for employers to run their business as they see fit, and the lack of liability on the part of corporations. You can't make this shit up.
If you're insincere, your arguments can be insincere as well.
One of the manifestations of the new political and social world we are living in is the so-called âdeath of expertiseâ. This refers not to the loss of actual expertise, but rather the loss of a baseline of public respect for the concept of expertise and for experts themselves. A recent Nature survey highlights a disturbing marker of this trend â experts (in this case mostly doctors) facing threats of physical harm for expressing their opinions about COVID-19 in public. This is completely predictable, for anyone paying attention, but itâs worth reviewing how we got here.
Itâs easy, even fashionable, to blame all such trends on social media. While social media certainly greatly facilitated our âpost truthâ world, the trends all started long before the internet. In the US in particular, there has long been a cultural undercurrent of anti-intellectualism, rooted in a distrust of authority and an attraction towards conspiracy theories. But this occurred alongside a general respect for excellence and ability. Scientists, especially medical scientists, rank among the most respected professions, at levels in the 80s, and stable over decades of surveys.
These apparently contradictory attitudes can exist at the same time because people generally can compartmentalize their beliefs, but something else is going on as well. In the abstract many people still respect experts and scientists, but now they can choose which experts and scientists to believe. This is the new reality â itâs not the absence of facts, but the existence of âalternative factsâ. The problem is not as much ignorance as the false illusion of knowledge.
This is where social media comes in. Ready access to information on demand creates a powerful illusion of knowledge, and even the sense that we all can âdo our own researchâ and come to a reliable conclusion, even about complex technical topics we do not really understand. You donât have to look beyond the comments section of SBM to witness non-experts arguing over technical details in the scientific literature in areas where they lack any formal background. Even for those not trying to substitute their own opinions for those of experts, they can easily fall prey to believing the âwrong expertsâ. Who are the âwrong expertsâ and how does that happen?
People generally grossly underestimate a few things: First they underestimate how much information is out there, and specifically that you can find facts and opinions to support pretty much any belief you want. They further underestimate (or are simply unaware of) the power of confirmation bias. It is a well-established psychological phenomenon that we tend to seek out, notice, accept and remember information that supports what we believe or want to believe, while simultaneously ignoring, forgetting, or explaining away information that contradicts our beliefs. When you combine these two factors, it can create the powerful illusion that the facts support our beliefs, whether they do or not. (...)
To your point, the slogan they should be using is "your body, my choice".
The "my body, my choice" is the pro-abortion line, and we know how they hate that.
It's shocking to see the Right twist themselves in knots about personal choice, the ability for employers to run their business as they see fit, and the lack of liability on the part of corporations. You can't make this shit up.
Yup, our new bizzaro world where right is wrong and wrong is right. Lies are truth and truth are lies.
Makes me want to move to the Alaskan wilderness and live off of the grid.
.... I know... "my body my choice" except it doesn't nicely apply here... your choice affects others beyond yourself. Your choice helps to propagate the spread of the virus. Your choice gives greater opportunity for the virus to mutate. Your choice is the reason that COVID restrictions still exist at local and state levels yet you don't recognize or accept the leading role you play in those restrictions being put in place.
To your point, the slogan they should be using is "your body, my choice".
The "my body, my choice" is the pro-abortion line, and we know how they hate that.
It's shocking to see the Right twist themselves in knots about personal choice, the ability for employers to run their business as they see fit, and the lack of liability on the part of corporations. You can't make this shit up.
The vaccine makers cannot be held liable by law for anything that goes wrong for decades now. That would probably transfer to employers as well. Can't say for sure.
I brought this issue up months ago. Met with a big
Quite frankly the only thing that I am concerned with is someone being legally accountable for side effects possibly deadly incurred by a forced medical procedure mandated by either government or by proxy an employer. Someone has to be liable.
Seriously? You'd be cool with it as long as you could sue somebody?
Here's a capsule summary of what you think you understand. The program (it's not just a blanket immunity, it created a fund to compensate legitimate claims) was set up because vaccines are a very low-margin product and the liability from the American legal system was threatening to both hamstring providers and raise the cost to the point that vaccination rates would plummet. Not because vaccines are dangerous, but because the US legal system is.
In an ideal world we'd rely on civil law to sort out claims against vaccine providers and most cases would be decided swiftly and fairly based on actual science. Unfortunately that ideal world would not include American tort law.
I actually have no problem with the makers not being accountable legally nor business as long as the individuals have choice, but when it becomes mandatory that changes everything. For a government or a company to force employees to have a medical procedure or be terminated and to not be held legally accountable for adverse reactions to this forced procedure is absolutely abhorrent at every level.
You guys really love chasing your own tails and jumping down rabbit-holes.
You do understand there is a pandemic that has been going on now for close to two years that has so far resulted in 721,187 U.S. deaths and counting? Maybe not.
Guess what? There is a vaccine available for some time now that can greatly mitigate those deaths. The fact that a vaccine is available and people aren't taking it is abhorrent at every level. I know... "my body my choice" except it doesn't nicely apply here... your choice affects others beyond yourself. Your choice helps to propagate the spread of the virus. Your choice gives greater opportunity for the virus to mutate. Your choice is the reason that COVID restrictions still exist at local and state levels yet you don't recognize or accept the primary role you play in those restrictions being put in place.
Sometimes if people aren't smart enough to know what is good for them and good for the country and the world-at-large... then mandates become the only option.
Quite frankly, I personally wonder why it has taken so long to roll them out.
COVID will be brought under some reasonable level of control in the future but it wonât be because of people like you⦠it will be in spite of people like you.
The vaccine makers cannot be held liable by law for anything that goes wrong for decades now. That would probably transfer to employers as well. Can't say for sure.
I brought this issue up months ago. Met with a big
I actually have no problem with the makers not being accountable legally nor business as long as the individuals have choice, but when it becomes mandatory that changes everything. For a government or a company to force employees to have a medical procedure or be terminated and to not be held legally accountable for adverse reactions to this forced procedure is absolutely abhorrent at every level.
prompting a cartoon of a doctor with his knee on the policeman's neck as he administers a vaccine in one.. two.. three.. "Hey, I can breathe!" 
