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Posted: Sep 19, 2021 - 10:54am

 miamizsun wrote:


i've always had trouble with distance, say two meters versus three meters

good thing i wasn't in charge because society could have shut down


I'm with you. We shut have shut EVERYTHING down completely for a month. No bills, no rent, no mortgages, no paychecks. Your license plate ends in 0 or 1, you can drive up to the store on Monday to get your food box after you make your gas stop. 2-3=Tuesday ect.  Workers are 1st in line for vaccines/treatement. Everyone else isolates. We would still have had problems, but this could have been done in March/April/May/June(maybe) of last year and we would have gotten through it and been done by now. 

Trump would probably still be president, maybe even getting a little praise for brave decisive action.  We would be on to his 5th impeachment, this one over his selling MAGA swag from the trunk of the presidential limousine.
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Posted: Sep 19, 2021 - 10:48am

NakedCapitalism.com does a round-up of Covid news every day, scientific and political. Here is one from today:
 
 
So American isn't it? We'll win the war somehow just by doing more of what's been losing it. That is the real Vietnam Syndrome. I think we are up to 15,000 deaths per week and rising. 
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Posted: Sep 19, 2021 - 10:14am

 rhahl wrote:

Off the top of my head it means that the Delta strain is more deadly.
 
BTW, when they run out of Greek letters they're going to start naming these variants after constellations, so the Andromeda strain may be coming.


i think it's fairly normal to have thoughts like this
on a somewhat serious note:
what i would encourage or suggest is to set up a news feed that focuses on solutions
or what is being done to solve the problem
maybe look at the biotech companies/industries and look at the tools they're using
it's not quite magic, but it is mind boggling 
the bottle necks have been largely political
in perspective, production and distribution have been really good
messaging, including the media have been (at times) not so good

peace
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Posted: Sep 19, 2021 - 10:01am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

File under: No Shit Sherlock.

6 feet was better than 3 feet, which was the practical distance people might have adopted had they just been asked to not stand too close to one another. It became clear by about April 2020 that 20 feet was not going to protect anyone in an indoor dining setting but sticking with at least 6 feet would still be better than saying "we're all screwed so stand where you want."

It's incredible how many people want rigor when the boat is taking on water. Grab a bucket and bail, Sport, we'll buy some time.



i've always had trouble with distance, say two meters versus three meters

good thing i wasn't in charge because society could have shut down
islander

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Posted: Sep 19, 2021 - 9:00am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

File under: No Shit Sherlock.

6 feet was better than 3 feet, which was the practical distance people might have adopted had they just been asked to not stand too close to one another. It became clear by about April 2020 that 20 feet was not going to protect anyone in an indoor dining setting but sticking with at least 6 feet would still be better than saying "we're all screwed so stand where you want."

It's incredible how many people want rigor when the boat is taking on water. Grab a bucket and bail, Sport, we'll buy some time.


What color bucket?  Have you considered a pail instead. I'm not a fan of containers, how about we sponge it out?  I heard that dryness is a big government plot to control us all, I'd rather be soaked to the knees.  Hey, I found some aquarium gravel, let's just make a pile of this in the bottom of the boat and we can stand on it (well not those stupid 'bailers', f them).

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Posted: Sep 19, 2021 - 8:45am

 miamizsun wrote:

because science!



File under: No Shit Sherlock.

6 feet was better than 3 feet, which was the practical distance people might have adopted had they just been asked to not stand too close to one another. It became clear by about April 2020 that 20 feet was not going to protect anyone in an indoor dining setting but sticking with at least 6 feet would still be better than saying "we're all screwed so stand where you want."

It's incredible how many people want rigor when the boat is taking on water. Grab a bucket and bail, Sport, we'll buy some time.

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Posted: Sep 19, 2021 - 8:18am

More people died in Alabama during 2020 than were born as Covid-19 deaths continue rising in the US
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Posted: Sep 19, 2021 - 7:06am

 kurtster wrote:
With all that is above, my summary assuming that your numbers are correct is that there is something drastically different going on since the pre vax days and now.  That the death rate of the unvaccinated has basically doubled over that time is profound.  Why is that ?  What has changed that much ?  Something sure as hell has.  Either you get infected or you don't when talking purely about the unvaccinated.  What has caused this change is the real relevant question, to me anyway.
 
Off the top of my head it means that the Delta strain is more deadly.
 
BTW, when they run out of Greek letters they're going to start naming these variants after constellations, so the Andromeda strain may be coming.
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Posted: Sep 19, 2021 - 6:54am

because science!


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Posted: Sep 18, 2021 - 10:40pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
We've all heard about the microchips in the vaccine and ha ha wink wink but I ran into a person in the wild today who truly believes she did research and learned about that for reals. If she gets sick, she'll die before she lets the doctors treat her for covid because they're all in on it.

40% vaccination rate in the state...

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Posted: Sep 18, 2021 - 10:37pm

 haresfur wrote:
I agree that the unenforceable carrot of letting vaccinated people go without masks was a failure. But the lack of compliance with mask mandates isn't something they could have controlled. (...)

Unless there would have been a will to come up early with (draconian, tyrannical!) mandates, big fines, etc. That wasn't going to fly federally, or in states. Masks are communism too!

And it's only a flu!

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Posted: Sep 18, 2021 - 10:28pm

 rhahl wrote:

"Vaccine-only" was not the only possible plan (masks, social distancing, improving ventilation systems. etc.). It has failed. The administration cannot admit that it has failed, or change the policy, because that would explain so clearly who screwed up. I think Biden was lured into this trap but it is possible that he simply wouldn't have it any other way.

I agree that the unenforceable carrot of letting vaccinated people go without masks was a failure. But the lack of compliance with mask mandates isn't something they could have controlled. Improving ventilation would be a multi-decade project that business interests would fight tooth and nail. No the post trump debacle is a combination of a much more transmissive variant and lack of courage/will in the population.
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Posted: Sep 18, 2021 - 10:22pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
 That was the parameter set out by rhahl below, based on 1850 deaths per day, IIRC
This graph represents a death rate of about 650,000/yr and climbing. If you think our vaccine-only plan is going to turn this around, I have some carbon offset credits to sell you.
And he still doesn't get how the vaccine-only plan is working wonders—for the people who get vaccinated. Masks and ventilation and distancing were best practices when we didn't have a vaccine but the unvaxxed didn't play well with those rules either and were literally howling that they'd wait for the vaccine rather than wear a face-diaper in public, then when the vaccine came available years before they thought they'd have to cash in that chit, they just segue'd into this anti-vax stance. 
 
Of course I get it. It just seems obvious that that fact will not save the Democrats from being swept out of office, due to their mishandling of the Covid crisis, just like Trump was. We always have the right to "Throw the bums out!" and give the other bums a turn.
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Posted: Sep 18, 2021 - 10:04pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
 I get what you're asking and it's not strictly science and medicine
 
Thanks for that.  This does merit some thoughtful discussion.

I'll get back some more on this when I am not so agitated as I am right now.
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Posted: Sep 18, 2021 - 9:51pm

 kurtster wrote:
Your numbers also presume a static unchanging death rate.


That was the parameter set out by rhahl below, based on 1850 deaths per day, IIRC
This graph represents a death rate of about 650,000/yr and climbing. If you think our vaccine-only plan is going to turn this around, I have some carbon offset credits to sell you.
And he still doesn't get how the vaccine-only plan is working wonders—for the people who get vaccinated. Masks and ventilation and distancing were best practices when we didn't have a vaccine but the unvaxxed didn't play well with those rules either and were literally howling that they'd wait for the vaccine rather than wear a face-diaper in public, then when the vaccine came available years before they thought they'd have to cash in that chit, they just segue'd into this anti-vax stance. 
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Posted: Sep 18, 2021 - 9:42pm

 kurtster wrote:
Again, the question is why is the

death rate among the unvaccinated

higher now than before vaccinations began ?

That is the information that Scott presented. Or did I misinterpret it ?

I do not know how I can make the question any simpler. Perhaps I only think that I am typing in English.

I guess that I really am the stupidest person here since no one understands anything I say anymore.

Later.


I get what you're asking and it's not strictly science and medicine; I think there's a lot of variables involved, such as: The people getting sick now have to eat crow before they seek treatment. By then it's too late for more of them. 

We've all heard about the microchips in the vaccine and ha ha wink wink but I ran into a person in the wild today who truly believes she did research and learned about that for reals. If she gets sick, she'll die before she lets the doctors treat her for covid because they're all in on it.
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Posted: Sep 18, 2021 - 9:20pm

 haresfur wrote:
 rhahl wrote:
This was my comment on July 8, 2021. It now appears that the Biden administration's "miscalculation" was in overshooting the acceptable death rate by about 100% (470,000 per year at the moment), and who knows how high that will go.

Wait, I think I'm lost. Biden tells people to get vaccinated, especially because of the highly transmissive delta variant. But somehow it is his fault when people, who don't want the government telling them what to do, get covid?

It's like they are praying to god to win the lottery but won't even buy a ticket.

 
"Vaccine-only" was not the only possible plan (masks, social distancing, improving ventilation systems. etc.). It has failed. The administration cannot admit that it has failed, or change the policy, because that would explain so clearly who screwed up. I think Biden was lured into this trap but it is possible that he simply wouldn't have it any other way.
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Posted: Sep 18, 2021 - 8:22pm

 HarleyRider wrote:

So why is no one blaming China? Or is that not PC?


TL;DR: It's not China's fault trump fucked up the US response to covid and the rest of the world would have been borked if China didn't share as much info on the virus as they did once they started admitting this was going to turn into a global pandemic. Gave the rest of the world a head start on developing tests and vaccines. Not to say that there weren't screw ups in China early on but by the time it got to the US everyone knew what they were dealing with and then still screwed up.

But feel free to discuss away. So far I haven't seen credible proof that there was any malicious intent by China. 
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Posted: Sep 18, 2021 - 7:46pm

 HarleyRider wrote:

So why is no one blaming China? Or is that not PC?
 
Discussion of China's role in this is not allowed here.

Do so at your own risk.  You will be vilified as sure as God makes little green apples ...
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Posted: Sep 18, 2021 - 5:56pm

The extremely transmissible Delta variant of the coronavirus, which overtook all other variants in the United States just a few months ago, now represents more than 99 percent of cases tracked in the country, according to the data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The variant caused caseloads to surge in Britain and India this spring and summer, and in both countries outbreaks resurfaced after cases had seemed to be on the decline. The Delta variant has been fueling outbreaks in the United States throughout the summer, its contagiousness taking advantage of the number of people who have resist Covid vaccinations.

The data on Delta’s prevalence, contained in the C.D.C.’s latest biweekly report of virus sequencing, shows it climbing from just over a quarter of cases in mid-June to near total dominance in September.

“It’s not unexpected, because it’s more transmissible, but it is also a strong reminder that we need to have continuous vigilance,” said Dr. Saskia Popescu, an epidemiologist and assistant professor at George Mason University.

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