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Posted: Mar 9, 2018 - 1:46pm

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i heard that a lie can spread around the world before the truth can get out of bed, scratch its arse and tie its shoes
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Posted: Mar 9, 2018 - 12:16pm

Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it
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Posted: Feb 25, 2018 - 4:00pm

Four in 10 (or 42 percent of) Republicans consider accurate news stories that cast a politician or political group in a negative light to always be “fake news.” (The corresponding figure for Democrats is 17 percent.)

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Posted: Feb 18, 2018 - 8:33am

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This world is SO fucked up.

 




blueprint, format, sheep

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whaddi say that was?

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Posted: Feb 17, 2018 - 9:15pm

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This world is SO fucked up.
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Posted: Nov 30, 2017 - 2:11pm

 black321 wrote:

The lives saved is the key bit of this, yet that doesn't erase the fact that a lot of people have been hit hard financially due to ACA.  On the other hand, one could argue those impacted financially were skirting their responsibility to maintain coverage...thinking they were healthy now, so why do they need it?  Like the uninsured driver who's fine, as long as he doesn't hit anyone. 

 
The impression I get since implementation is that at least some of these alleged "hard hit" people  weren't savvy enough to find the most affordable deal available to them (yes, the way things are set up seems unnecessarily complex/byzantine). A good friend who owns his own business complained bitterly about the ACA when it was first passed, but they (he and his wife) have found a deal that is better than what they had prior to ACA.

You're not going to pass tax reform without some being winners and some losers, and the same is probably inevitable for health care reform. A plan that reduces all people's per person average cost per year for coverage might potentially have other downsides (like affecting employment in the health care industry).  It seems pretty evident that the people benefiting financially and healthwise from the law are significantly greater in number than the people who are taking a financial hit.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2017 - 8:49am

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Anecdotes are a great way to set policy, right? {#Rolleyes}

Perhaps you should stop to consider that there are at least a couple dozen (probably more) people who are alive  today  to be able to even tell anecdotes of whatever kind due to obtaining insurance through the  ACA (oddly enough, uninsured people who have died already, whose death might have been prevented with access to care provided via insurance, seem unable to tell their stories, so they often are excluded from anecdotal analyses).
And many thousands more have insurance now (and thus access to health care  beyond free clinics and the ER) who didn't before. It's easy to take insurance for granted when you have it. Nice not to have to constantly worry about how sick you can let yourself (or your child) get before you are forced to go to the ER and waste hours there just so they can prescribe asthma medicine that you will have trouble paying for.

 
The lives saved is the key bit of this, yet that doesn't erase the fact that a lot of people have been hit hard financially due to ACA.  On the other hand, one could argue those impacted financially were skirting their responsibility to maintain coverage...thinking they were healthy now, so why do they need it?  Like the uninsured driver who's fine, as long as he doesn't hit anyone. 
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Posted: Nov 30, 2017 - 8:28am

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 I have many personal anecdotes of lower income people that did not feel like winners from the ACA, but that's just like real life and stuff.

 
Anecdotes are a great way to set policy, right? {#Rolleyes}

Perhaps you should stop to consider that there are at least a couple dozen (probably more) people who are alive  today  to be able to even tell anecdotes of whatever kind due to obtaining insurance through the  ACA (oddly enough, uninsured people who have died already, whose death might have been prevented with access to care provided via insurance, seem unable to tell their stories, so they often are excluded from anecdotal analyses).
And many thousands more have insurance now (and thus access to health care  beyond free clinics and the ER) who didn't before. It's easy to take insurance for granted when you have it. Nice not to have to constantly worry about how sick you can let yourself (or your child) get before you are forced to go to the ER and waste hours there just so they can prescribe asthma medicine that you will have trouble paying for.
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Posted: Nov 30, 2017 - 6:26am

 miamizsun wrote:

i think there are a lot of people with a similar thought process

we're creatures that have been conditioned to seek complex solutions to complex problems

could there be simplex answers to complex problems?

the affordable care act is what? a thousand pages?

the tax code? thousands of pages?

the compliance costs with these two complex monstrosities is mind boggling

i read where there are twenty five registered lobbyists per rep on the hill

and another twenty five or so per rep that are unregistered?

for the aca i think there were seven or so lobbyists per rep

this type of bribery is the reason that massive amounts political coercion are typically embedded these things

and medicare? the waste and fraud are legendary

the corruption is out of control and it is not sustainable

btw, i'm not holding up gary johnson or libertarianism as a cure all

do i think that principled thought and downsizing dc are reasonable?

or that pointing out bad ideas and the violence or threat of violence used to back them up could help reel this nuttery in?

yes

i don't care who implements good ideas

regards

 
I think that the complexity is just there to hide the true motives. The conditioning is people believing that they are in (or will soon be in) the privileged class who get all the perks.  This is what seniority and tenure and all the other non-merit based pieces of our society are about - "hang on, you'll get your chance at the trough". The reality is that there is plenty to go around, but people are willing to do without for the chance to screw everyone else over.  We are sad little monkeys. 


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Posted: Nov 30, 2017 - 6:11am

 miamizsun wrote:

i don't care who implements good ideas

regards

 
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Posted: Nov 30, 2017 - 6:07am

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Sorry, you're not sure what you're actually trying to say. You want to give the ACA "architects" the benefit of the doubt that they were really perpetuating a political shell game....? "Benefit of doubt" doesn't seem to be the right phrase...

Shake your head all you want, sirdroseph, but the ACA was a huge policy win. Is it the best this country can do or an acceptable end-state for healthcare here? No. Welcome to democracy and legislative compromise. You might want to ask Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter and other past presidents about how hard it is to pass this kind of legislation. 

Mittens was a crybaby about the ACA. He had to twist himself into a knot to speak out against the bill—an impressive feat for a man whose own son wasn't sure what he stood for on most policy positions. 

 




My reference to Mittens was relevant because he is the original author of the ACA hence the twisting. I have many personal anecdotes of lower income people that did not feel like winners from the ACA, but that's just like real life and stuff.
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Posted: Nov 30, 2017 - 5:49am

 kcar wrote:

"in spite of it all there are still a lot of people that think...there is a legitimate difference between the two major political parties in the u$a"
We could have a pointless all-day discussion about the differences and commonalities of the Dems and GOP. I'm gonna pass on that time-waster. However, consider that the Democrats passed and implemented the ACA in an attempt to make health care affordable to all. The Republicans are trying to dismantle the ACA in order to pay for tax cuts aimed at the top 1%. That's a pretty big difference between the two parties. 

Are both parties partly captured by big money and power elites? Sure. But I have no interest in simplistic assertions that the two parties are one and the same. I went through high school once and have no interest in engaging in a debate pitched to that intellectual level. Or in reading your wistful musings about how much better things would be if only Gary Johnson and the Libertarian party were running the US. 
"in spite of it all there are still a lot of people that think that think russia/putin secretly controls the world"
{#Roflol}{#Roflol}
When you talk about "a lot of people", are you thinking about junior high school kids? Because I don't know any informed adults who have that opinion. 
 
i think there are a lot of people with a similar thought process

we're creatures that have been conditioned to seek complex solutions to complex problems

could there be simplex answers to complex problems?

the affordable care act is what? a thousand pages?

the tax code? thousands of pages?

the compliance costs with these two complex monstrosities is mind boggling

i read where there are twenty five registered lobbyists per rep on the hill

and another twenty five or so per rep that are unregistered?

for the aca i think there were seven or so lobbyists per rep

this type of bribery is the reason that massive amounts political coercion are typically embedded these things

and medicare? the waste and fraud are legendary

the corruption is out of control and it is not sustainable

btw, i'm not holding up gary johnson or libertarianism as a cure all

do i think that principled thought and downsizing dc are reasonable?

or that pointing out bad ideas and the violence or threat of violence used to back them up could help reel this nuttery in?

yes

i don't care who implements good ideas

regards


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