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Posted: Nov 13, 2020 - 6:40am



 miamizsun wrote:


a couple of things

there's an old idiom "pissing up a rope or pissing up a wet rope"

that's where the trump admin is

let's look at the flip side: all of this will eventually bring more transparency to voting

the corporate dems pulled a genius political move(or moves) on trump (well orchestrated to say the least)

was it legal? maybe, maybe not (earlier i said borderline) and their timing was excellent

it'll all work its way through the system fairly quickly and the state electors will render a decision soon

i think it is safe to say biden will be in the white house soon and it will be business as usual

regards
 
There always is room for improvement and refined transparency, but I am baffled by your suggestion that this presidential election somehow was credibly tainted. The taint on our electoral process is the unwarranted assault by Trump and his supporters in its aftermath. Unfortunately, there are those who believe this tsunami of false allegations of massive fraud across several states orchestrated by Democrats. Those waging this war should not simultaneously be credited with seeking to improve our electoral process for the future. They are doing the exact opposite. 

rgio

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Posted: Nov 13, 2020 - 5:35am

It's over.

Donnie is raising money from the believers for his next act.  The idea that he's selling "stolen elections" to raise money going directly to his new Super-PAC is fantastic.  He's going to continue to grift as long as possible, but it's going to end soon.

Trump only cares about the brand but faces the interesting dynamic of being hated in the cities and loved in the country.  You don't build apartments in the country.  His focus right now is how to keep his minions sending him their money.
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Posted: Nov 13, 2020 - 5:20am

 miamizsun wrote:


i predict we'll see an official decision soon 

i also predict it be for biden and co

i'd rather go through a formal process especially if it mutes any potential violence/blowback
 
{#Yes}
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Nov 13, 2020 - 5:02am

Top officials: Nov. 3 election most secure in US history
Coaxial

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Posted: Nov 13, 2020 - 4:44am

 miamizsun wrote:


a couple of things

there's an old idiom "pissing up a rope or pissing up a wet rope"

that's where the trump admin is

let's look at the flip side: all of this will eventually bring more transparency to voting

the corporate dems pulled a genius political move(or moves) on trump (well orchestrated to say the least)

was it legal? maybe, maybe not (earlier i said borderline) and their timing was excellent

it'll all work its way through the system fairly quickly and the state electors will render a decision soon

i think it is safe to say biden will be in the white house soon and it will be business as usual

regards
 
I don't often but when I do I demand the rope be dry.{#Snooty}
Coaxial

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Posted: Nov 13, 2020 - 4:43am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: 
This can't turn out well either...

CRAZY.
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Posted: Nov 13, 2020 - 4:42am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

sure as hell hope so, but I wouldn't underestimate the Trump coterie. They have said they will use every trick in the book, legal or illegal, to overturn this result and their track record says they will indeed do so. In fact I fear it will be worse than our worst nightmare. The question remains whether they will succeed and that hinges to a large extent on the moral compass of moderate Republicans. 

What also scares me is the unfortunate effect that the shear effrontery and disrespect for norms can have on a population ("crowds and power" anyone?).  Nothing like breaking taboos to make people feel free to commit any kind of atrocity.. we have been down this road before.  
Be on your guard dear friends. This is no longer a partisan issue. 
 

a couple of things

there's an old idiom "pissing up a rope or pissing up a wet rope"

that's where the trump admin is

let's look at the flip side: all of this will eventually bring more transparency to voting

the corporate dems pulled a genius political move(or moves) on trump (well orchestrated to say the least)

was it legal? maybe, maybe not (earlier i said borderline) and their timing was excellent

it'll all work its way through the system fairly quickly and the state electors will render a decision soon

i think it is safe to say biden will be in the white house soon and it will be business as usual

regards
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Nov 13, 2020 - 4:21am

 miamizsun wrote:


i predict we'll see an official decision soon 

i also predict it be for biden and co

i'd rather go through a formal process especially if it mutes any potential violence/blowback
 
sure as hell hope so, but I wouldn't underestimate the Trump coterie. They have said they will use every trick in the book, legal or illegal, to overturn this result and their track record says they will indeed do so. In fact I fear it will be worse than our worst nightmare. The question remains whether they will succeed and that hinges to a large extent on the moral compass of moderate Republicans. 

What also scares me is the unfortunate effect that the shear effrontery and disrespect for norms can have on a population ("crowds and power" anyone?).  Nothing like breaking taboos to make people feel free to commit any kind of atrocity.. we have been down this road before.  
Be on your guard dear friends. This is no longer a partisan issue. 
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Posted: Nov 13, 2020 - 4:08am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: 

i predict we'll see an official decision soon 

i also predict it be for biden and co

i'd rather go through a formal process especially if it mutes any potential violence/blowback
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Nov 13, 2020 - 2:47am

This is scary as shit.
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Posted: Nov 13, 2020 - 1:11am

"Math doesn't care about your feelings"
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Posted: Nov 12, 2020 - 10:03pm



 kurtster wrote:

I'm speaking of The Mueller Report, in which indictments were made and findings of guilty were made even though these cases have yet to make it into courtroom.  And then these indictments were then used to build the case up more with the assumptions of guilt used to make bogus dots to connect.
 

How was anyone supposed to figure out that you were talking about the Mueller report? C'mon, fella. 

As for indictments made by the Mueller report, you'll have to refresh my memory. Mueller worked under DOJ guidelines which work off of the legal opinion that a sitting President cannot be indicted for crimes. If those are the cases you're talking about, fret not: Trump will likely meet some of them under the general charge of obstruction of justice—once he leaves office. 

"And then these indictments were then used to build the case up more with the assumptions of guilt used to make bogus dots to connect."

Yeah...no. Not following your pretzel logic and not interested in reading your explanations. I'm done with your crazy rabbit holes. 

But Congrats on wandering a continent away from the original topic—Trump's dubious lawsuits about (note the subject of the thread we're in!) the 2020 elections. 

BTW—I do hope you're still not sitting in the Great Pumpkin patch, waiting for revelations from the Durham investigation. 
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Posted: Nov 12, 2020 - 9:25pm

 westslope wrote:


Forecast:  US hegemony will decline even faster if the Republicans retain control of the Senate. 
 
No.  It will be because Biden shuts down the domestic oil business and takes us from energy independent to energy dependent.  The excuse of Peak Oil as a reason to preserve reserves for the future is totally bogus and without foundation.  In addition to the CO2 thing.

That and why pay extra for something we already have and for less.  And worse yet, why send our money out of the country to support someone that doesn't like us ?  That makes more sense than keeping the money within the country and recirculating it to provide jobs and internal growth and GDP ?

Your big picture looks a whole lot different than mine.
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Posted: Nov 12, 2020 - 9:14pm

 kcar wrote:

"As of late as we have witnessed in the impeachment process where guilt was called merely on the basis of untried indictments."

A federal impeachment process conducted through Congress is not a trial in the conventional sense. Congress has the right to determine the rules of evidence before each impeachment procedure. We've been through this before. 
 
I'm speaking of The Mueller Report, in which indictments were made and findings of guilty were made even though these cases have yet to make it into courtroom.  And then these indictments were then used to build the case up more with the assumptions of guilt used to make bogus dots to connect.
westslope

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Posted: Nov 12, 2020 - 8:58pm



 kurtster wrote:


I'm shocked that no one has noticed that there is a runoff election 5 January 2021 to elect two senators in Georgia.

 

No you are not.   "Noticed"?   Are you implying we don't read the news?   

Speak for yourself and other Trump supporters, please.

Forecast:  US hegemony will decline even faster if the Republicans retain control of the Senate. 
kcar

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Posted: Nov 12, 2020 - 8:29pm



 kurtster wrote:


Affidavits sworn under the penalty of perjury are evidence. They are evidence until ruled otherwise by a court. That is the reality.

As of late as we have witnessed in the impeachment process where guilt was called merely on the basis of untried indictments.

Sorry. The process must continue to the end.


You'd have to point me to any affidavits of substance. I could present an affidavit stating that I honestly believe I saw a poll worker committing some skulduggery but if I can't provide details about what the poll worker actually did, that affidavit is meaningless. Multiple newspapers are reporting that many of the lawsuits have been quickly dismissed and that none of the remaining lawsuits have a chance of winning. Even members of Trump's legal team have admitted anonymously that Trump has nothing of substance to work with. 

"As of late as we have witnessed in the impeachment process where guilt was called merely on the basis of untried indictments."

A federal impeachment process conducted through Congress is not a trial in the conventional sense. Congress has the right to determine the rules of evidence before each impeachment procedure. We've been through this before. 
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Posted: Nov 12, 2020 - 8:11pm

 kcar wrote:


 islander wrote:


 kurtster wrote:


I'm shocked that no one has noticed that there is a runoff election 5 January 2021 to elect two senators in Georgia. It is the second most important election, after POTUS. The balance of power in the Senate and the country in general is in the hands of the people of Georgia. If the repubs hold the Senate, then government remains divided and slows down the possible changes that would otherwise be unlimited with the dems controlling Congress and the White House.

This is what Trump is hanging around for. If he can help lead to a victory in Georgia, he will have successfully launched his 2024 re election campaign. He has to stick around and keep fighting all of the way up to this election. Remember also that despite Trump's apparent loss the repubs have picked up seats in the House giving Biden the slimmest majority in the House to work with since FDR I'm told.

This ain't over until it is over. That and there is mounting evidence of voting irregularities that need to be investigated fully, so if nothing else for Biden's tenure, he is untainted by voting fraud charges. To run these investigations all the way through benefits everyone, regardless of the outcome.

 

So when is the Trump rally in GA?

Also, which irregularities are you pointing to that have not be thoroughly debunked that have any chance of overturning a single state?  AZ was your best chance and that's been called by anyone with an RPN calculator.
 

"That and there is mounting evidence of voting irregularities that need to be investigated fully, so if nothing else for Biden's tenure, he is untainted by voting fraud charges. "

If you live in Tucker Carlson's dreamworld, maybe so. Reality looks a bit different. 
 
Affidavits sworn under the penalty of perjury are evidence.  They are evidence until ruled otherwise by a court.  That is the reality.

As of late as we have witnessed in the impeachment process where guilt was called merely on the basis of untried indictments. 

Sorry.  The process must continue to the end.
kcar

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Posted: Nov 12, 2020 - 8:04pm



 islander wrote:


 kurtster wrote:


I'm shocked that no one has noticed that there is a runoff election 5 January 2021 to elect two senators in Georgia. It is the second most important election, after POTUS. The balance of power in the Senate and the country in general is in the hands of the people of Georgia. If the repubs hold the Senate, then government remains divided and slows down the possible changes that would otherwise be unlimited with the dems controlling Congress and the White House.

This is what Trump is hanging around for. If he can help lead to a victory in Georgia, he will have successfully launched his 2024 re election campaign. He has to stick around and keep fighting all of the way up to this election. Remember also that despite Trump's apparent loss the repubs have picked up seats in the House giving Biden the slimmest majority in the House to work with since FDR I'm told.

This ain't over until it is over. That and there is mounting evidence of voting irregularities that need to be investigated fully, so if nothing else for Biden's tenure, he is untainted by voting fraud charges. To run these investigations all the way through benefits everyone, regardless of the outcome.

 

So when is the Trump rally in GA?

Also, which irregularities are you pointing to that have not be thoroughly debunked that have any chance of overturning a single state?  AZ was your best chance and that's been called by anyone with an RPN calculator.
 

Personally, I doubt Trump cares much about FL. Trump is all about Trump. If he's thinking at all about running in 2024 he probably believes that he'd win regardless of which party controls the Senate. 

Someone should tell Diaper Don that he was to deal with numerous civil and criminal cases against him. If he's convicted of federal tax evasion, that's a five-year sentence. That might get reduced because of age but he's going to be awfully busy defending himself and paying off his loans. So 2024 may not be in the cards for him. 

And the GOP will likely have its knives out for Trump if he's convicted or runs into financial trouble. Once conservative Americans get distracted from Trump or find another "savior", he's done. Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton want to run, maybe Tucker too. Trump surviving into the next election cycle would get in the way of that. 

"That and there is mounting evidence of voting irregularities that need to be investigated fully, so if nothing else for Biden's tenure, he is untainted by voting fraud charges. "

If you live in Tucker Carlson's dreamworld, maybe so. Reality looks a bit different. 




Election officials directly contradict Trump on voting system fraud.



Hours after President Trump repeated a baseless report that a voting machine system “deleted 2.7 million Trump votes nationwide,” he was directly contradicted by a group of federal, state and local election officials, who issued a statement on Thursday declaring flatly that the election “was the most secure in American history” and that “there is no evidence” any voting systems were compromised.

The rebuke, in a statement by a coordinating council overseeing the voting systems used around the country, never mentioned Mr. Trump by name. But it amounted to a remarkable corrective to a wave of disinformation that Mr. Trump has been pushing across his Twitter feed.

The statement was distributed by the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, which is responsible for helping states secure the voting process. Coming directly from one of Mr. Trump’s own cabinet agencies, it further isolated the president in his false claims that widespread fraud cost him the election.

The statement also came as a previously unified Republican Party showed signs of cracking on the question of whether to keep backing the president.

Across the country, election officials have said the vote came off smoothly, with no reports of systemic fraud in any state, no sign of foreign interference in the voting infrastructure and no hardware or software failures beyond the episodic glitches that happen in any election. President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s lead in the popular vote has expanded to more than five million, and he remains on track to win a solid victory in the Electoral College.

The group that issued the statement was the Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council, which includes top officials from the cybersecurity agency, the U.S. Election Assistance Commission and secretaries of state and state election directors from around the country. The group also includes representatives from the voting machine industry, which has often been accused of being slow to admit to technological shortcomings and resistant to creating paper backups.

“While we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections, we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections, and you should, too,” the officials added in their statement. “When you have questions, turn to elections officials as trusted voices as they administer elections.”

— David E. Sanger, Matt Stevens and Nicole Perlroth


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Posted: Nov 12, 2020 - 7:28pm

 kurtster wrote:
Ah !  Well this one is for the frosting on the cake.  The whole country actually.

Can't weight for you to whey in on this one.
 
When you start a post like that, it's like Trump's recounting. BS Alert! Incoming!

"This unassuming man came up to me and said: 'Sir, it's a good thing we have you, or else we would have never noticed!'"

Are they keeping him "medicated?"
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Posted: Nov 12, 2020 - 7:23pm

 R_P wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
Did I miss someone bringing this up in here already ?
 
Everyone was still partying in the Joe Biden thread.
 
Ah !  Well this one is for the frosting on the cake.  The whole country actually.

Can't weight for you to whey in on this one.
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