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Posted: Aug 14, 2019 - 4:57am

I am totally down with this, no way they would allow it.  He is the new Art Bell, love me some Rogan: 

 

 

Joe Rogan Fans Create Petition for UFC Commentator to Moderate 2020 Presidential Debate

 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/joe-rogan-fans-create-petition-154443147.html

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Posted: Aug 1, 2019 - 3:17pm



 sirdroseph wrote:
What's up with this guy?  He seems to actually make sense and know what he is talking about

 

 

Where's Grommit?
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Posted: Jul 31, 2019 - 10:49am

What's up with this guy?  He seems to actually make sense and know what he is talking about

 

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Posted: Jul 30, 2019 - 1:34pm

Yesterday, I announced that, as president, I'll establish a priority airline boarding program for Atheists who open a charity that operates for 14 years in the Heartland.
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Posted: Jul 30, 2019 - 11:05am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Oddly Specific Kamala Harris Policy Generator

Yesterday, I announced that, as president, I'll establish a Fortnite dance program for season ticket holders who open a jazz club that operates for 10 days in Miami.



 

Yesterday, I announced that, as president, I'll establish a space program for social democrats who open a donut shop that operates for 13 years in the side of a mountain.
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Posted: Jul 30, 2019 - 10:58am

Oddly Specific Kamala Harris Policy Generator

Yesterday, I announced that, as president, I'll establish a Fortnite dance program for season ticket holders who open a jazz club that operates for 10 days in Miami.



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Posted: Jun 6, 2019 - 1:24pm



 westslope wrote:


 Lazy8 wrote:
..... These are deeply, deeply stupid people.
 
That one sentence description strikes me as both accurate and useful. 

BTW, which term carries more freight "incompetent" or "stupid"?  Or, in a case like this, should both be used to get the point across?  

 

Incompetence can be fixed with proper education or training.

It is known, you can't fix stupid.
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Posted: May 31, 2019 - 1:48pm


westslope

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Posted: May 24, 2019 - 7:55am



 Lazy8 wrote:
..... These are deeply, deeply stupid people.
 
That one sentence description strikes me as both accurate and useful. 

BTW, which term carries more freight "incompetent" or "stupid"?  Or, in a case like this, should both be used to get the point across?  

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Posted: May 23, 2019 - 8:25pm

islander wrote:
This is the problem I have with the particularly anti-government crew - If you fundamentally don't believe in government, and you manage to find yourself in charge of government, your incentive is to prove yourself correct by doing a poor job.  They never manage to actually shrink government (which is often warranted, but difficult to do while maintaining services), or reduce costs, or manage to improve anything. But they get to leave pointing the finger and saying 'see, I was right'.

They don't promote your particular vision of government but they are fine with using it to advance their aims.  They aren't anarchists, they just want to use that power toward different ends.

They also aren't clever enough to play as subtle a game as you accuse them of. These are deeply, deeply stupid people.
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Posted: May 23, 2019 - 8:44am



 islander wrote:

.....

It's not incompetence. They are actively taking actions to get these outcomes.  Best case it's simply a case of mis-aligned incentives. Worst case it's active, spiteful maleficence. Reality is probably halfway in between.



 

I dunno islander.  I have spent some time with freedom, anti-government types.  They are almost without exception favourable to national defence, law enforcement and keeping public highways safe.

Not budgeting correctly to plow the snow and ice from the dangerous roads of Helena in winter.

As a question of political strategy, I would be inclined to emphasize the incompetence which in this case could easily have deadly consequences.   Ideological rules of thumb almost invariably lead to bad outcomes.  
islander

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Posted: May 23, 2019 - 7:59am



 westslope wrote:


 islander wrote:


 westslope wrote:


 Lazy8 wrote:
... The previous mayor was an alt-right troll.

 
This guy?  

  1. Not budgeting correctly to plow the snow and ice from the dangerous roads of Helena in winter. This led the sheriff’s office to call a state of emergency on February 10th, 2017. Schools were closed and multiple accidents occurred.
  2. In 2015 Smith did not support the removal of the Confederate Monument (he has since bowed to public pressure.) He said a descriptive sign would suffice but never paid for one to be made.
  3. Smith continually underfunds essential services in the city of Helena like firefighting and road maintenance. The Helena firefighters have been below adequate staff levels for years, which led the Helena Firefighters IAFF Local 448 to endorse Smith’s opponent in the 2017 Mayoral race.
  4. Smith supports Tim Ravndal and ACT for America in their blatantly bigoted ideas and actions.

 
This is the problem I have with the particularly anti-government crew - If you fundamentally don't believe in government, and you manage to find yourself in charge of government, your incentive is to prove yourself correct by doing a poor job.  They never manage to actually shrink government (which is often warranted, but difficult to do while maintaining services), or reduce costs, or manage to improve anything. But they get to leave pointing the finger and saying 'see, I was right'. 

 
Or....   maybe some of us are putting the cart before the horse so to speak. 

Racism and other forms of 'us versus them' outlooks can be grouped under the title of 'confirmatory bias'.  In stronger and extreme cases, that implies the individual has trouble learning.   So perhaps the  glaring incompetence should come as no surprise.  

 
It's not incompetence. They are actively taking actions to get these outcomes.  Best case it's simply a case of mis-aligned incentives. Worst case it's active, spiteful maleficence. Reality is probably halfway in between.



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Posted: May 23, 2019 - 7:02am



 islander wrote:


 westslope wrote:


 Lazy8 wrote:
... The previous mayor was an alt-right troll.

 
This guy?  

  1. Not budgeting correctly to plow the snow and ice from the dangerous roads of Helena in winter. This led the sheriff’s office to call a state of emergency on February 10th, 2017. Schools were closed and multiple accidents occurred.
  2. In 2015 Smith did not support the removal of the Confederate Monument (he has since bowed to public pressure.) He said a descriptive sign would suffice but never paid for one to be made.
  3. Smith continually underfunds essential services in the city of Helena like firefighting and road maintenance. The Helena firefighters have been below adequate staff levels for years, which led the Helena Firefighters IAFF Local 448 to endorse Smith’s opponent in the 2017 Mayoral race.
  4. Smith supports Tim Ravndal and ACT for America in their blatantly bigoted ideas and actions.

 
This is the problem I have with the particularly anti-government crew - If you fundamentally don't believe in government, and you manage to find yourself in charge of government, your incentive is to prove yourself correct by doing a poor job.  They never manage to actually shrink government (which is often warranted, but difficult to do while maintaining services), or reduce costs, or manage to improve anything. But they get to leave pointing the finger and saying 'see, I was right'. 

 
Or....   maybe some of us are putting the cart before the horse so to speak. 

Racism and other forms of 'us versus them' outlooks can be grouped under the title of 'confirmatory bias'.  In stronger and extreme cases, that implies the individual has trouble learning.   So perhaps the  glaring incompetence should come as no surprise.  

islander

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Posted: May 23, 2019 - 6:41am



 westslope wrote:


 Lazy8 wrote:
... The previous mayor was an alt-right troll.

 
This guy?  

  1. Not budgeting correctly to plow the snow and ice from the dangerous roads of Helena in winter. This led the sheriff’s office to call a state of emergency on February 10th, 2017. Schools were closed and multiple accidents occurred.
  2. In 2015 Smith did not support the removal of the Confederate Monument (he has since bowed to public pressure.) He said a descriptive sign would suffice but never paid for one to be made.
  3. Smith continually underfunds essential services in the city of Helena like firefighting and road maintenance. The Helena firefighters have been below adequate staff levels for years, which led the Helena Firefighters IAFF Local 448 to endorse Smith’s opponent in the 2017 Mayoral race.
  4. Smith supports Tim Ravndal and ACT for America in their blatantly bigoted ideas and actions.

 
This is the problem I have with the particularly anti-government crew - If you fundamentally don't believe in government, and you manage to find yourself in charge of government, your incentive is to prove yourself correct by doing a poor job.  They never manage to actually shrink government (which is often warranted, but difficult to do while maintaining services), or reduce costs, or manage to improve anything. But they get to leave pointing the finger and saying 'see, I was right'. 

Lazy8

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Posted: May 22, 2019 - 9:53pm

westslope wrote:
This guy?


That guy.
westslope

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Posted: May 22, 2019 - 8:00pm



 Lazy8 wrote:
... The previous mayor was an alt-right troll.

 
This guy?  

  1. Not budgeting correctly to plow the snow and ice from the dangerous roads of Helena in winter. This led the sheriff’s office to call a state of emergency on February 10th, 2017. Schools were closed and multiple accidents occurred.
  2. In 2015 Smith did not support the removal of the Confederate Monument (he has since bowed to public pressure.) He said a descriptive sign would suffice but never paid for one to be made.
  3. Smith continually underfunds essential services in the city of Helena like firefighting and road maintenance. The Helena firefighters have been below adequate staff levels for years, which led the Helena Firefighters IAFF Local 448 to endorse Smith’s opponent in the 2017 Mayoral race.
  4. Smith supports Tim Ravndal and ACT for America in their blatantly bigoted ideas and actions.

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Posted: May 22, 2019 - 2:49pm



 R_P wrote:
Recent efforts to sandbag Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard are crude repeats of behaviors that helped elect Trump in 2016
The whole episode was a Back to the Future version of the same criticisms leveled at anyone who opposes regime change in Venezuela today — if you protest the policy, you’re not antiwar, you must support the targeted foreign leader.

 
Did you read the Times piece? I think RS is being completely inaccurate about it. It's not sandbagging and I don't see much if any skewed reframing in any of that reporting. As a liberal, I think you can read that piece and see Sanders as unique and heroic. As a conservative, you'll probably think he's a Marxist. As long as he's a contender, this chapter of Sanders past is going to be written about regardless. If anything, I think the press was remiss in not writing about it in 2016. Sanders fans think the NYTimes did him an injustice and promoted Clinton. As a daily reader, I saw the opposite - no vetting of Sanders while running endless pieces about the email server. Sanders got a pass on negative press in 2016 in large part because the GOP wanted him to derail Clinton - if they really saw him as a threat, he would have been written about ad nauseam, and this is the kind of stuff Fox would have turned into mountain ranges. 

Right now I think the press is remiss by completely ignoring Marianne Williamson. She's managed to get enough 65K donors required to be included in DNC debates... though I may have missed it, I haven't seen her mentioned at all in NYT & WP candidacy pieces. I'm not saying she should be a nominee, but she's certainly more qualified to be POTUS than the dotard, and I'd like to hear her voice included in platform discussions. 

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Posted: May 22, 2019 - 1:02pm

westslope wrote:
Impressive.   

Can you Lazy8 or anybody else please cite an example of a Black African politician being elected to office by rural Montana voters?  Just curious.  I can imagine more than a few rural ridings in Canada where that would be a tough act.   Or does Collins' service record transcend his skin colour? 

Collins is the second black mayor of Helena. It's not rural by Montana standards.

We don't have a lot of black politicians because we don't have a lot of black people. I'd say Collins' advantage was more his personality than his record. The previous mayor was an alt-right troll.

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Posted: May 22, 2019 - 12:09pm



 Lazy8 wrote:
........

This also overshaodows some much better news from Montana: Wilmot Collins, mayor of Helena and a former Liberian refugee, has announced a bid for the US Senate. This guy has a legitimate shot if he can reach beyond his urban base (hey, Helena is what counts for urban in Montana) and connect with a broader audience.

Which I think he can. He's a really personable guy, genuinely nice and easygoing. I think he'd get eaten alive in DC but when Trump comes out to bad-mouth him (and he will, and I predict some memorable ugliness here) it'll probably cost Trump more support than Collins.
 
Impressive.   

Can you Lazy8 or anybody else please cite an example of a Black African politician being elected to office by rural Montana voters?  Just curious.  I can imagine more than a few rural ridings in Canada where that would be a tough act.   Or does Collins' service record transcend his skin colour?  

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Posted: May 22, 2019 - 10:38am

Recent efforts to sandbag Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard are crude repeats of behaviors that helped elect Trump in 2016
The whole episode was a Back to the Future version of the same criticisms leveled at anyone who opposes regime change in Venezuela today — if you protest the policy, you’re not antiwar, you must support the targeted foreign leader.

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