black321 wrote: 

maybe next year

because social distancing

 miamizsun wrote:
 

and then you two can get a room.  Ha!

 steeler wrote: 

ok but we take an uber convertible and sit out on the deck at pancho and lefty's, with a view, in the shade, with really cold beer and tacos

 miamizsun wrote:
 

Indeed!

 steeler wrote: 

we can disagree, but can we still drink an adult beverage, cut up and have a conversation?

 black321 wrote: 
See I am with you in the overall assessment of his presidency. 

 steeler wrote:
 

On the one hand i agree with Miami, in that trump isn't that different, just more transparent with his flaws.
That itself is a problem for a leader, but...there is a larger fundamental difference with past presidents
The fundamental difference is that most past pres at least feigned attempts to bring the country together
Trumps divisiveness is what makes him so dangerous and wrong
I would add much of the media's divisiveness is equally as wrong and bad for the country

 miamizsun wrote:
 
Trump's superpower is his ability to sound convincing in that moment with no regard for facts or history.  His lack of polish is what makes him so appealing to so many...he isn't "one of them".  

Take a middle-aged, unemployed, high-school educated white guy who assumed he could always work at the factory or the farm but now struggles to get by...and give him an option to pick a famous guy who seems confident in his answers who also blames everything on others, especially those who have been running the country since they've been voting...

If he had Obama's skills he'd be a very successful real estate developer who you never heard of.   Communication skills like Obama's require an intelligence and self-control DJT couldn't find in 20 lifetimes.  He is THE poster child for white privilege...which is why he hates the idea of systemic racism so much.  It explains his success more than anything else in his life...and he knows it.

 miamizsun wrote:
 
I disagree that Trump is fundamentally similar to his predecessors as President, that he is more like them than different.

 black321 wrote: 
trump is not a good speaker, he's not that polished (making easier to spot bs)

i maintain he's nothing special (although he's been marketed with much success as satan's spawn)

you know we all have a tendency to like a good story-teller

can you imagine if he had obama's looks and speaking/communication skills? his diplomacy?

when i say (political) diplomacy i mean having the skill to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they're looking forward to the trip

 miamizsun wrote:
 
yes, i agree

who was a worse liar: Bush WMD; Obama you can keep your plan; Trump (too many to list)

In terms of isolated events, but huge lasting implications, i go with bush
Still think trump is the worst president
I know, TDS

 black321 wrote: 

coffee thoughts

he's like a semi-comfortable known political quantity

bonus: he's used to following directions and fairly easy to care for

another note

i've been busy, but it as understand it, the bush/cheney neocon warhawks have lined up squarely behing him/biden

which is a deal breaker for me (not that i'd vote for either of these clowns)

expect more of the same disappointing foreign policy or business as usual

 miamizsun wrote: 
What he said.

 Coaxial wrote: 

yeah the "my gun has a gun crowd"

"we should be concerned with anyone endorsing and/or willing to use violence directly or externalize it to their favorite gang"

-miamizsun

 miamizsun wrote:
 
Yeah, Biden's a dumbass...."but I like his policies!"  Ha

 miamizsun wrote: 
Indeed, but like you I come from deep, dark redneck country and I know how crazy and well armed some of those fools are.

 Coaxial wrote: 

i agree

...the future is known but still not fixed  twain the choice to chance the twixt...-ov

 miamizsun wrote: 
The vitriol that is stirred up is very disturbing.

"I know it's unpatriotic but the Biden-Trump race isn't making me feel better about America."

- Nick Gillespie

Olivia Troye, who worked as homeland security and counterterrorism aide to Pence for two years and served as his adviser on the Coronavirus Task Force, which he's helmed, said Trump showed indifference at the beginning of the pandemic and the administration’s response cost lives.

"The virus was very unpredictable at the beginning, there were a lot of unknowns but towards the middle of February, we knew it wasn't a matter of if COVID would become a big pandemic here in the United States, it was a matter of when," Troye, who left the White House in late July, said in an ad released by Republican Voters Against Trump.

"But the president didn't want to hear that, because his biggest concern was that we were in an election year, and how was this going to affect what he considered to be his record of success?"